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12. Do DU'ers agree that Americans are better off when all countries around
the world have strong middle/working class societies? We all agree that we all do better when we all do better, right?

I saw Syriana recently, and I think that it made the point well that when there are very poor people who feel exploited and hopeless, that they turn to violence. I believe that's true. However, I think the movie did not make the point well that when the west exploits foreign countries it doesn't make ALL of America wealthier. It just makes a few Americans wealthier, but makes the rest of us poorer in the sense that we lose solidarity with other working class people in other countries and we end up having to compete for cheap jobs with the exploited, and it also hurts democracy by creating a wealthy class of Americans which is SO MUCH wealthier and more powerful politically and economically than the American working and middle class.

I think sometimes I get the sense that there's this subtle RIGHT WING tendency among a very few unwitting liberals (or, perhaps, they're right wingers posing as liberals) who celebrate Morales and Chavez as giving the finger to the US. They're not giving the US the finger. The US -- the nation of Martin Luther King and of Cesar Chavez and of the New Deal and the New Frontier and the Great Society -- is much much better off when other countries around the world have leaders who embrace those same values of MLK and Cesar Chavez and of FDR and JFK.
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  -Leftist set to be Bolivia's first Indian president Thom Little  Dec-17-05 05:50 AM   #0 
  - This is FANTASTIC news! A democratic revolution is sweeping So. America  Peace Patriot   Dec-17-05 06:13 AM   #1 
  - good for them.  rodeodance   Dec-17-05 06:25 AM   #4 
  - This will not make me popular but..  nick303   Dec-17-05 09:29 AM   #11 
     - The fact that  manic expression   Dec-17-05 10:00 AM   #13 
     - I wish I could have posted the entire article..  nick303   Dec-17-05 10:19 AM   #14 
        - Here's another  manic expression   Dec-17-05 10:33 AM   #16 
           - From what I've seen  nick303   Dec-17-05 03:48 PM   #32 
              - Don't they use the Smartmatic from Olivetti for their voting?  Stevepol   Dec-18-05 05:03 AM   #40 
     - Did you expect The Economist to be satisfied with the election?  1932   Dec-17-05 10:29 AM   #15 
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  - Please RECOMMEND and kick! You want some good news. Here it is!  Peace Patriot   Dec-17-05 06:17 AM   #2 
  - Woo Hoo!!  radio4progressives   Dec-17-05 11:48 AM   #21 
  - What grade did Lincoln complete? This is a self taught man!  patdem   Dec-17-05 06:24 AM   #3 
  - recommended!  mexicoxpat   Dec-17-05 06:42 AM   #5 
  - Do you think Lopez Obrador will win?  High Plains   Dec-17-05 03:47 PM   #31 
     - ONe can hope!!  mexicoxpat   Dec-18-05 10:19 PM   #48 
  - Go, South America, go!  WinkyDink   Dec-17-05 08:19 AM   #6 
  - this great news! Maybe "free trade" is going out but FAIR  dennisnyc   Dec-17-05 08:29 AM   #7 
  - "And the meek shall inherit the earth."  lostnfound   Dec-17-05 08:36 AM   #8 
  - Fox News is already attacking him  Dufaeth   Dec-17-05 08:41 AM   #9 
  - Bolivian natives have been using coca leaves LOOOOOONG before  Judi Lynn   Dec-17-05 03:07 PM   #28 
  - Hey, I know Fox isn't respectable  Dufaeth   Dec-17-05 07:52 PM   #34 
  - Chewiing coca leaves is what allows them to work hard in high altitude  SoCalDem   Dec-18-05 02:22 AM   #37 
  - Someone should tell Fox News there are no "cocaine growers."  High Plains   Dec-17-05 03:50 PM   #33 
  - Chilean leftist woman wins 1st round  javiermynephew   Dec-17-05 08:52 AM   #10 
  - Yes Indeed! 2 Woo Hoo's!  radio4progressives   Dec-17-05 11:54 AM   #23 
  - Do DU'ers agree that Americans are better off when all countries around  1932   Dec-17-05 09:47 AM   #12 
  - He needs to get some protection from the CIA  DaveColorado   Dec-17-05 10:37 AM   #17 
  - Who?  1932   Dec-17-05 10:56 AM   #19 
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  - Heads Up...  MrPrax   Dec-17-05 10:46 AM   #18 
  - Great points n/t  manic expression   Dec-17-05 11:12 AM   #20 
  - Important Points! Thanks for Reality Check and Heads Up! n/t  radio4progressives   Dec-17-05 11:55 AM   #24 
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  - The only reason why Colombia doesn't turn left  javiermynephew   Dec-17-05 03:03 PM   #27 
  - The American right-wing hasn't organized its hate campaign against Morales  Judi Lynn   Dec-17-05 03:17 PM   #30 
  - Deeply divided Bolivia to pick a new president (AFP)  Up2Late   Dec-18-05 01:23 AM   #35 
  - Wow!  jsamuel   Dec-18-05 01:37 AM   #36 
  - i guess things have to get worse before they get better  nerddem   Dec-18-05 03:59 AM   #38 
  - nerddem, sounds like you're following events pretty closely in Bolivia.  Peace Patriot   Dec-18-05 07:28 AM   #44 
  - ELECTION DAY IN BOLIVIA  Judi Lynn   Dec-18-05 04:04 AM   #39 
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  - "We'll have zero cocaine but not zero coca"  MetaTrope   Dec-18-05 05:41 AM   #41 
  - I hope he has good protection  killbotfactory   Dec-18-05 08:29 AM   #46 
  - "...it uses the war against drugs...to dominate other countries." -Morales  Peace Patriot   Dec-18-05 08:49 AM   #47 
  - Excellent news and more power to Mr Morales!  entanglement   Dec-18-05 05:49 AM   #42 
  - Critical mass and beans!  peace_prevails   Dec-18-05 10:46 PM   #49 
 

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