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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #100
101. you just said that in order to "defeat" this people
you must understand their mindset. now you are saying they can't be defeated

but beyond that glaring contradiction, what would you say is a sensible foreign policy?
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  -Foreign policy 'spurs Muslim extremism' emad  Nov-10-05 09:58 AM   #0 
  - Quelle Surprise.........  PDJane   Nov-10-05 10:00 AM   #1 
  - Didn't we all know that western foreign policy..  ananda   Nov-10-05 10:05 AM   #2 
  - these headlines need to be in our press----all across the land!  rodeodance   Nov-10-05 10:07 AM   #3 
  - so muslims should determine western foreign policy??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 10:10 AM   #4 
  - No. Muslims are members of "the people" and their interests must,...  Just Me   Nov-10-05 10:13 AM   #5 
  - we are talking foreign policy here, not domestic  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 10:17 AM   #7 
  - No, but...  IA_Seth   Nov-10-05 10:23 AM   #8 
  - I believe foreign policy reflects a country's own interests  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 10:25 AM   #9 
     - You weren't referring to "other nations" but rather "Muslims".  Just Me   Nov-10-05 10:47 AM   #10 
     - what are you talking about??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 10:51 AM   #11 
     - Right, and then...  IA_Seth   Nov-10-05 10:51 AM   #12 
     - sure, the consequences of a particular policy should be analyzed  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 10:55 AM   #13 
        - No  IA_Seth   Nov-10-05 11:00 AM   #14 
           - no, because I really don't believe that foreign policy causes  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:03 AM   #15 
              - No, I dont think that is what I said.  IA_Seth   Nov-10-05 11:11 AM   #17 
              - mindful is fine, I agree with that  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:19 AM   #20 
                 - yeah ok..I was waiting for that..  IA_Seth   Nov-10-05 11:24 AM   #21 
                 - I'd love to hear some specifics you'd like to change  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:26 AM   #23 
                    - In a nutshell...  IA_Seth   Nov-10-05 11:32 AM   #24 
                       - I agree with that  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:37 AM   #25 
                 - we never have to sacrifice our ideals and values  ktlyon   Nov-10-05 03:51 PM   #44 
                    - actually, I'd like to "feel" some concrete examples  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 04:29 PM   #55 
              - you can think that, and you'd be wrong  pop goes the weasel   Nov-10-05 11:17 AM   #19 
                 - taking into account is fine  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:25 AM   #22 
     - a country's own interests  pop goes the weasel   Nov-10-05 11:08 AM   #16 
     - sure, but there are conflicting interests  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:16 AM   #18 
        - there's nothing in the article to suggest  pop goes the weasel   Nov-10-05 11:41 AM   #26 
     - Extremely nationalistic approach even if it  happydreams   Nov-10-05 02:03 PM   #29 
        - of course it is nationalistic  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 02:25 PM   #32 
           - Little bit of forced relocation, with some "cleansing" is in order?  Enhancer   Nov-10-05 04:02 PM   #46 
              - can I get some freedom fries with that too??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 04:21 PM   #51 
                 - Excellent.  Enhancer   Nov-10-05 05:22 PM   #61 
  - "Clash of Civilizations"!! That's the book  happydreams   Nov-10-05 02:01 PM   #28 
  - THE NEW TOTALITARIANISM  The Stranger   Nov-10-05 10:13 AM   #6 
  - Yep, Great post!  happydreams   Nov-10-05 02:08 PM   #31 
  - Muslim Extremism has nothing to do with what the West does  Diresu   Nov-10-05 01:12 PM   #27 
  - France was correct in trying to stop America. They knew that the Bush  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 02:07 PM   #30 
  - France certainly did oppose the war  Diresu   Nov-10-05 02:54 PM   #33 
  - You will have an extremely difficult time proving that the Abu Gahrib  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 03:07 PM   #34 
     - what was the reason for 9/11 then??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 03:09 PM   #35 
        - Nobody denies Muslim extremism. That is a given. The Iraqi Oil  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 03:12 PM   #36 
        - nothing, but muslim extremism was there well before  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 03:21 PM   #37 
           - Don't know how you read that into my statement. I said that the Iraqi  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 03:25 PM   #38 
           - yes  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 03:30 PM   #39 
           - of course, your point is? That the Iraqi Oil War is a good thing???  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 03:39 PM   #40 
           - of course not, but going back to the original post  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 03:44 PM   #42 
              - One last time, I never said that. I said the Iraqi Oil War fueled it. nt  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 03:45 PM   #43 
              - I think the real question you're missing is...  Aimah   Nov-10-05 09:06 PM   #94 
           - Where to start?  The Stranger   Nov-10-05 06:31 PM   #68 
              - well, Saddam is still alive  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:34 PM   #70 
                 - Let's see: torture rooms -- check, use of chemical weapons -- check,  The Stranger   Nov-10-05 06:39 PM   #73 
           - true but....  Diresu   Nov-10-05 03:42 PM   #41 
              - Your opinion, I guess. Everyone has one. If you believe all that has  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 03:54 PM   #45 
              - The point I think that the other posters are making  brentspeak   Nov-10-05 04:47 PM   #57 
                 - Yes of course, that was clear. My point is that I think that they have  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 04:56 PM   #59 
              - Joseph Kony would disagree...  Enhancer   Nov-10-05 04:04 PM   #47 
           - Yes, and we have done the Iraqi people a horrid dis-service by  ElectroPrincess   Nov-10-05 04:07 PM   #48 
              - and will you be even more ashamed when there is a civil war??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 04:12 PM   #49 
                 - There will be a civil war regardless. Staying there will only kill more  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 04:14 PM   #50 
                 - with a civil war many Iraqi civilians will die  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 04:24 PM   #53 
                    - That MAY be true and it MAY NOT. That is an unknown. What is a known  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 04:31 PM   #56 
                 - We will decide to leave when TOO MANY of our troops have died  ElectroPrincess   Nov-10-05 04:22 PM   #52 
                    - yes, so that means in a couple of years  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 04:28 PM   #54 
                       - No, no pissing contest, but it AIN'T going to get any better ...  ElectroPrincess   Nov-10-05 04:52 PM   #58 
                          - yes I agree  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:23 PM   #63 
                             - Bravo Bacchus39 ...  ElectroPrincess   Nov-10-05 06:27 PM   #66 
                                - thank you, no real disagreement I think  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:29 PM   #67 
                                   - Yes, we must try, but I don't have much hope with THIS LEADERSHIP ...  ElectroPrincess   Nov-10-05 06:34 PM   #69 
        - Reasons  IA_Seth   Nov-10-05 05:00 PM   #60 
        - are you rationalizing or justifying 9/11??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:25 PM   #64 
           - How would you explain  Tom Bombadil   Nov-10-05 08:39 PM   #92 
           - and how does understanding lead to victory??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:23 PM   #96 
              - The ' global war on terror'  Tom Bombadil   Nov-11-05 07:38 AM   #100 
                 - you just said that in order to "defeat" this people  Bacchus39   Nov-11-05 07:53 AM   #101 
                    - Perhaps defeat was the wrong word.  Tom Bombadil   Nov-11-05 09:42 AM   #102 
           - LOL  IA_Seth   Nov-11-05 09:52 AM   #104 
        - I can answer that...  Solon   Nov-10-05 06:01 PM   #62 
           - you and the other poster are almost seem to be saying  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:26 PM   #65 
              - One way the Neocons keep the U.S. locked into the illegal wars  The Stranger   Nov-10-05 06:36 PM   #71 
              - and I say they are not "reasons" at all  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:42 PM   #74 
                 - Huh?? In all seriousness. what the hell does that have to do with 9/11? nt  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 06:44 PM   #75 
                 - infidels in Saudi Arabia. 1st Gulf War remember??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:47 PM   #77 
                    - I seriously do not know what the "others" are telling you. Really.  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 06:56 PM   #81 
                       - yes, peace I agree,  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 07:01 PM   #86 
                          - Yes, but make no mistake, we disagree vehemently, absolutely, completely,  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 08:08 PM   #89 
                             - so I see that  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:32 PM   #99 
                                - Exactly! Just like Vietnam. Things only got better AFTER we left. Our  VegasWolf   Nov-11-05 10:54 AM   #107 
                 - That sounds like a "yes" answer to my question.  The Stranger   Nov-10-05 06:58 PM   #82 
              - Well, it appears as if you think 1-2 MORE years of American lives  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 06:38 PM   #72 
              - and what is your plan?? is a civil war in Iraq preferable?  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:45 PM   #76 
              - My plan. Pull out NOW! We CANNOT win in Iraq anymore than we  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 06:52 PM   #80 
                 - premature evacuation  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:59 PM   #83 
                    - I heard that same statement what 30 years ago. Guess what? It was wrong! n  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 07:01 PM   #85 
              - No, I want to get our troops out as soon as possible ...  ElectroPrincess   Nov-10-05 06:47 PM   #78 
                 - agreed, they can't be pulled out in time for happy hour tomorrow  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 06:49 PM   #79 
                 - I know your feelings Princess! But I respectfully disagree. With Bush at  VegasWolf   Nov-10-05 06:59 PM   #84 
                    - Understood. No offense taken, I wish we would not have gone in at all :(  ElectroPrincess   Nov-10-05 08:59 PM   #93 
              - Don't put words into my mouth...  Solon   Nov-10-05 07:22 PM   #87 
                 - yet you attempt to explain it  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 07:48 PM   #88 
                    - Because you were ignorant of it...  Solon   Nov-10-05 08:10 PM   #90 
                    - of course its difficult  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:26 PM   #97 
                    - Why do people use that excuse?  Aimah   Nov-10-05 09:26 PM   #95 
                       - and the reason is??  Bacchus39   Nov-10-05 11:28 PM   #98 
                       - Going to Paradise for What?  Aimah   Nov-11-05 12:40 PM   #108 
                       - Thank you.  IA_Seth   Nov-11-05 09:47 AM   #103 
  - Of course...  BoogDoc7   Nov-11-05 10:29 AM   #105 
  - What happened in France was not  Tom Bombadil   Nov-10-05 08:23 PM   #91 
  - Maybe this will sink home in the White House..  emad   Nov-11-05 10:39 AM   #106 
 

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