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91. National Health care and lifting the ban on gays in the military
are not centrist positions, even now.
The DLC abandoned the third way, and lost the democratic core.
It is not a lot more complicated than that.

You do not get big participation out of the disenfranchised.
Show the working class and the middle class they have more to fight together against and close the f'd up Roger Ailes strategy down for another generation at least. The middling class needs so much help right now just to get to the point where life is as good as old europe it is not funny. They will figure it out faster if we all yell it out loud instead of the Hey HEY, Morning in America! approach. It is not morning in America, it is the beginning of a long hard slog.
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  -Democrats urged to move to center (by DLC) party_line  Oct-30-03 11:07 AM   #0 
  - The Economy.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Oct-30-03 11:12 AM   #1 
  - DLC  asjr   Oct-30-03 11:43 AM   #10 
  - Is this the Will Marshall of PNAC also?  madfloridian   Oct-30-03 11:17 AM   #2 
  - I'm having trouble disconnecting  party_line   Oct-30-03 11:37 AM   #6 
  - if Zell doesn't like Howard Dean  CMT   Oct-30-03 11:39 AM   #8 
  - Found this quote from Marshall which indicates DLC mindset.  madfloridian   Oct-30-03 12:01 PM   #18 
     - Don't undercut "innovation."  realpolitik   Oct-30-03 12:17 PM   #22 
     - Hah! Go after them  party_line   Oct-30-03 12:24 PM   #23 
     - Oh, you mean the Big Pharm that smacks down all others, Marshall?  Zhade   Oct-30-03 01:49 PM   #39 
  - Yes, it's the same Will Marshall  hedda_foil   Oct-30-03 12:09 PM   #20 
  - There is concern because some Dems come close to opposing PNAC  DuctapeFatwa   Oct-30-03 11:22 AM   #3 
  - I am waiting for the DLC to recommend that Women "know their place"  bleedingheart   Oct-30-03 11:31 AM   #4 
  - Yeahhhhh!  PassingFair   Oct-30-03 08:18 PM   #71 
  - so true...  deseo   Oct-30-03 10:19 PM   #83 
  - I am waiting for the DLC to recommend that Women "know their place"  bleedingheart   Oct-30-03 11:31 AM   #5 
  - So instead of running Democrats and losing  bowens43   Oct-30-03 11:39 AM   #7 
  - Ya got THAT right!  TankLV   Oct-30-03 02:55 PM   #47 
  - This article is such a f**king joke  joeybee12   Oct-30-03 11:40 AM   #9 
  - I apologized for the source  party_line   Oct-30-03 12:05 PM   #19 
  - They can move *this*.  Lori Price CLG   Oct-30-03 11:43 AM   #11 
  - The Democratic party hasn't been on the left for a long time.  The Backlash Cometh   Oct-30-03 11:45 AM   #12 
  - to hell with the DLC, IMHO  ixion   Oct-30-03 11:50 AM   #13 
  - In fact  zonmoy   Oct-30-03 05:21 PM   #57 
  - Comment on your state's platform  MaineDem   Oct-30-03 11:51 AM   #14 
  - So if the fellow democrats disagree with the DLC...  MrPrax   Oct-30-03 11:51 AM   #15 
  - DLC urged to go to hell (By Dems like me)  RetroLounge   Oct-30-03 11:53 AM   #16 
  - I just e-mailed the DLC....  eissa   Oct-30-03 11:59 AM   #17 
  - Democrat Urges DLC to piss off and join the NeoConservatives  realpolitik   Oct-30-03 12:10 PM   #21 
  - The problem is they keep changing the concept of the "center"  seasat   Oct-30-03 12:27 PM   #24 
  - the DLC seems to have really gone off the deep end  paulk   Oct-30-03 12:42 PM   #30 
  - query  zonmoy   Oct-30-03 05:23 PM   #58 
  - The DLC needs to wake up and join the 21st century  pmbryant   Oct-30-03 12:28 PM   #25 
  - They actually have a point  JCCyC   Oct-30-03 12:29 PM   #26 
  - As Gore Vidal  burrowowl   Oct-30-03 01:28 PM   #35 
  - Ask all the losing Dem candidates of 2002 how well DLC's ideas work  JaneQPublic   Oct-30-03 12:31 PM   #27 
  - Are you suggesting that Carnahan, Cleland and Shaheen  dolstein   Oct-30-03 11:02 PM   #88 
  - And Dean tells DLC to move back to center from leaning too far right  Larkspur   Oct-30-03 12:39 PM   #28 
  - That's the way I feel about it.  BullGooseLoony   Oct-30-03 08:14 PM   #69 
  - Move to the center?  iam   Oct-30-03 12:40 PM   #29 
  - Many DU'ers Are Openly Hostile To Religion  cryingshame   Oct-30-03 12:46 PM   #31 
  - No political party should carry a banner for religion or morality  bleedingheart   Oct-30-03 12:51 PM   #32 
  - Values and Morality Are Most Certainly Important Politically  cryingshame   Oct-30-03 01:38 PM   #38 
     - perhaps democrats realize those are personal issues  bleedingheart   Oct-30-03 02:52 PM   #46 
     - You Sound Like A CARING Cynic Though!  cryingshame   Oct-30-03 05:13 PM   #53 
        - I am afraid that you...  PassingFair   Oct-30-03 08:35 PM   #73 
     - I have to agree  devrc243   Oct-30-03 10:41 PM   #87 
     - Morality != Religon.  japanduh   Oct-30-03 11:53 PM   #92 
  - If you want a vision, drop some acid!  IndianaGreen   Oct-30-03 09:36 PM   #82 
  - Hear the DLC's Now-Desperate Mantra: "Stop Howard Dean At Any Cost!"  David Zephyr   Oct-30-03 01:03 PM   #33 
  - Yikes David  party_line   Oct-30-03 05:20 PM   #56 
  - Damn straight, David!  Zhade   Oct-30-03 08:01 PM   #66 
  - Best post  PassingFair   Oct-30-03 08:47 PM   #74 
  - Excellent David, Perfect !!!  WillyT   Oct-30-03 11:09 PM   #89 
  - No, no, no!  ninkasi   Oct-30-03 01:13 PM   #34 
  - The numbers don't add up  dpbrown   Oct-30-03 01:28 PM   #36 
  - There's a huge flaw in your theory  lifelong_Dem   Oct-30-03 01:51 PM   #40 
  - Better that the system crash than willingly go fascist.  Zhade   Oct-30-03 08:05 PM   #67 
     - "We've got to burn the village in order to save it"  lifelong_Dem   Oct-30-03 09:30 PM   #79 
  - Again you need more than the base to win  jiacinto   Oct-30-03 02:44 PM   #44 
     - better keep drifting right, then!  Iverson   Oct-30-03 04:47 PM   #50 
     - Not the DLC's right.  BullGooseLoony   Oct-30-03 08:20 PM   #72 
     - Nice rhetoric  lifelong_Dem   Oct-30-03 09:29 PM   #78 
        - FDR, Truman, LBJ, Carter, all won elections  realpolitik   Oct-30-03 10:30 PM   #84 
        - That was over 50 years ago  lifelong_Dem   Oct-30-03 10:36 PM   #85 
           - National Health care and lifting the ban on gays in the military  realpolitik   Oct-30-03 11:39 PM   #91 
        - darn!  Iverson   Oct-31-03 05:18 AM   #99 
     - makes sense  metisnation   Oct-30-03 08:13 PM   #68 
  - in this way, the party leaves people  Iverson   Oct-30-03 01:36 PM   #37 
  - "DLC urged to move to center (by Democrats )"  Tinoire   Oct-30-03 01:56 PM   #41 
  - What the DLC seems blind to  MadHound   Oct-30-03 02:00 PM   #42 
  - I second that emotion.  ozone_man   Oct-30-03 05:17 PM   #54 
  - They think they can pick up the readymade groups of "one issue  Dover   Oct-30-03 02:33 PM   #43 
  - Oh, goody - we can move further left now!  TankLV   Oct-30-03 02:52 PM   #45 
  - My response? Another $25 to Dean...  GoddessOfGuinness   Oct-30-03 03:57 PM   #48 
  - How about a "dumb DLC 2 Dean" campain.  Code_Name_D   Oct-30-03 07:21 PM   #63 
     - You might be on to something with that idea...  GoddessOfGuinness   Oct-30-03 10:38 PM   #86 
  - Maybe  kwolf68   Oct-30-03 04:43 PM   #49 
  - The Washington Times has a bogus headline. Dems ARE in the center.  w4rma   Oct-30-03 04:55 PM   #51 
  - Bush beat Ann Richards  Mikhale   Oct-30-03 05:04 PM   #52 
  - Ann Richards beat herself.  mbperrin   Oct-30-03 05:18 PM   #55 
     - that was a horrible campaign  devrc243   Oct-31-03 12:13 AM   #93 
  - Dems are TOO FAR to the right, that is the problem  grannylib   Oct-30-03 05:49 PM   #59 
  - try this one out granny  metisnation   Oct-30-03 08:51 PM   #75 
  - That makes no sense  lifelong_Dem   Oct-30-03 09:32 PM   #80 
  - Obviously...  last_texas_dem   Oct-30-03 06:12 PM   #60 
  - Tell the DLC to stuff it in an orifice.  aquart   Oct-30-03 06:20 PM   #61 
  - how about the middle  metisnation   Oct-30-03 08:14 PM   #70 
  - The DLC sees no problem with tax cuts and deficit spending!!!  PROGRESSIVE1   Oct-30-03 06:46 PM   #62 
  - This is a flat-out lie  FightinNewDem   Oct-30-03 07:50 PM   #64 
     - Thank you for the helpful citations.  realpolitik   Oct-30-03 11:28 PM   #90 
  - While I can see the virtues of  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-30-03 08:01 PM   #65 
  - Can I puke??!!??  Jazzgirl   Oct-30-03 09:08 PM   #76 
  - "people of faith" you mean like the ones murdering Iraqis?  leesa   Oct-30-03 09:26 PM   #77 
  - Why doesn't the DLC embrace the Right-to-Life Amendment and...  IndianaGreen   Oct-30-03 09:33 PM   #81 
  - Wanted: A Democratic Barry Goldwater  Enjolras   Oct-31-03 12:32 AM   #94 
  - Want a Democratic Barry Goldwater? Dean's your guy!!  dolstein   Oct-31-03 12:58 AM   # 
  - Patience, Dolstein, patience  Enjolras   Oct-31-03 02:34 AM   #96 
  - Want a Democratic Barry Goldwater? Dean's your guy!!  dolstein   Oct-31-03 12:58 AM   #95 
     - and lieberman will totally destroy bush  sujan   Oct-31-03 03:15 AM   #97 
        - And then what?  Enjolras   Oct-31-03 03:44 AM   #98 
  - It seems to be  joanski01   Oct-31-03 06:35 AM   #100 
     - Then please tell us you are NOT a defender of Bill Clinton  Enjolras   Oct-31-03 07:24 AM   #101 
 

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