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CounterCoulter Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 03:17 PM
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17. Let me clarify
Edited on Thu Oct-30-03 03:24 PM by CounterCoulter
"Extra" unemployed refers to the additional number of people unemployed at 8% versus 6% unemployment. Let's say that figure is 2 million people. 40% of those people would vote Republican as long as there is air in their Jesus-fearing lungs. 45% will vote Democratic regardless, as well. So that leaves at most 300,000 swing voters left unemployed by Bush. Suppose, generously, that 70% of them vote. That's 210,000 people. Then suppose, again generously, 90% vote (D). That is only 180,000 votes nationwide that Bush is going to lose due to a higher unemployment rate. Clearly, not enough to make a huge difference.

This election is going to boil down to Bush saying the economy (not to mention the wars) are going great versus the Democrats saying, no, in fact, it's terrible. They'll both have their own relevant statistics--the question is which side will the public believe? The problem with unemployment for Republicans is that it is a hard number to "cook" the book on. The people are out there, and sampling would reveal cooked books fairly quickly. For Democrats the problem is convincing the 90+% of the population that have jobs that unemployment DOES matter.

My earlier point is that if there is even a hollow recovery, we are fucked. If unemployment makes people pessimistic, rosy forecasts make people optimistic--and while a hollow recovery doesn't help bush with the unemployment issue, it does give him a big spoonful of optimism that people with jobs will probably lap up and beg for more. Remember the sheeple's response to "Morning in America"?

Democratic strategists have their work cut out for them. They need to convince employed voters that 1) High unemployment matters and could affect them, 2) Bush's rosy economic books are cooked liked Kenny-boy's, and 3) they have to hope like hell the real recovery waits until at least late into the election season.

Oh, and "Democratically" was a tongue-in-cheek response to Fox News' efforts to refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Party" lest people begin thinking that there is something more democratic about Democrats than Republicans.
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  - Well, I figure anybody that criticizes the cabal is a dissident.  gsh999   Oct-30-03 07:08 AM   #1 
  - And the ATTIC, too!  mbperrin   Oct-30-03 07:10 AM   #2 
  - Here at the Dissident Underground we agree.  Nlighten1   Oct-30-03 07:11 AM   #3 
  - I didn't know we had dissidents  dusty64   Oct-30-03 07:18 AM   #4 
  - Will Gulags be far behind?  zonmoy   Oct-30-03 05:32 PM   #23 
  - he was targeted by COINTELPRO  paradisiac   Oct-31-03 01:56 AM   #28 
  - Chimpanzee isn't the only one scaring people  saigon68   Oct-31-03 05:09 AM   #29 
  - Chomsky "dissident" to mainstream media? Um, _yeah_...  DrBB   Oct-30-03 07:23 AM   #5 
  - Actually I'm fairly up on his work and I have to say...  vi5   Oct-30-03 07:27 AM   #6 
  - you'r saying he doesn't have knowledge on subject where you disagree  rman   Oct-30-03 09:59 AM   #8 
  - No, you don't get it.  bemildred   Oct-30-03 10:55 AM   #9 
  - If you want to see it, its there  knowledgeispower   Oct-30-03 11:38 AM   #12 
     - "there is an implied 9/11 LIHOP "  Pastiche423   Oct-30-03 02:00 PM   #15 
     - I don't think Chomsky believes in LIHOP  Cocoa   Oct-31-03 03:22 PM   #38 
        - Whatever LIHOP is  Chomskyite   Oct-31-03 03:50 PM   #41 
     - I think Chomsky is referring to Iraq, not 9-11  manco   Oct-30-03 05:14 PM   #22 
  - Very weird  Chomskyite   Oct-31-03 03:47 PM   #40 
  - when you speak the hard truth  el_gato   Oct-30-03 08:45 AM   #7 
  - Chomsky is like the oracle- He tells it like it is  BEFOREATHOUGHT   Oct-30-03 11:07 AM   #10 
  - Wrong  CounterCoulter   Oct-30-03 11:32 AM   #11 
     - "If Bush is able to get traction on economic numbers "  Mary T   Oct-30-03 12:19 PM   #13 
     - Let me clarify  CounterCoulter   Oct-30-03 03:17 PM   #17 
        - your clarification begs for obfuscation  0rganism   Oct-31-03 05:21 AM   #30 
           - But, my friend  CounterCoulter   Oct-31-03 01:19 PM   #34 
              - So did Chomsky  0rganism   Oct-31-03 03:15 PM   #37 
     - Chomsky still tells it like it is  0rganism   Oct-31-03 05:23 AM   #31 
  - We should give this article a 5 rating --  Emillereid   Oct-30-03 01:55 PM   #14 
  - How is this news? He says the same thing every speech  tinnypriv   Oct-30-03 02:10 PM   #16 
  - I wonder if it says 'dissident' on his business card . . .  TeeYiYi   Oct-30-03 03:25 PM   #18 
  - Thank you Noam Chomsky  aeon flux   Oct-30-03 04:49 PM   #19 
  - How much truth is there in this recent AP article?  aeon flux   Oct-30-03 04:58 PM   #20 
  - Sorry there is no link  aeon flux   Oct-30-03 04:59 PM   #21 
     - There is the smell of "spin" on this fish  evworldeditor   Oct-30-03 09:57 PM   #24 
  - Why does this article come out of Havana?  vernon_nackulus   Oct-30-03 11:15 PM   #25 
  - Noam is in Cuba at the moment  tinnypriv   Oct-30-03 11:44 PM   #26 
  - " Jus another Dumm Canuk Observation "  ConcernedCanuk   Oct-31-03 12:02 AM   #27 
  - yeah, great, rub it in why doncha?  0rganism   Oct-31-03 05:28 AM   #32 
  - name any other american ever labeled "dissident." i dare ya.  truthisfreedom   Oct-31-03 06:24 AM   #33 
  - "it's a term reserved for people fighting op/repressive governments"  kayell   Oct-31-03 01:30 PM   #35 
  - Noam's colleagues, the Eds: Ed Herman and Ed Said (now dead)  0rganism   Oct-31-03 03:12 PM   #36 
  - No . . . there are dozens and dozens of dissidents in his tradition  Chomskyite   Oct-31-03 03:52 PM   #42 
  - I don't think dissident is a derogatory word  Cocoa   Oct-31-03 03:32 PM   #39 
  - "I dissent" Ruth Bader Ginsberg  Marianne   Oct-31-03 04:13 PM   #43 
 

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