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Tue Nov-08-05 08:35 PM
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| 145. Sure. My bingos were Ron Haviv and Ron Harris, frankly |
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Haviv has spent his LIFE covering the sheer brutality of war, in horrific circumstances -- he is no cheerleader, has never been; and Harris has NEVER been an apologist for BushCo, Inc. They are both pacifists, not apologists, and if they could see it another way, they would. But they are also dedicated to the truth.
So, if I have to pick between a Jewish 'kid' from NYC (he ain't a kid but to me--anyone else would say he is middle aged) and a young black journalist, and this flaky Marine who was not even there during the really, truly rough shit, and lasted only WEEKS in country, yet had more war stories than David Fucking Hackworth....well, who ya gonna believe?
No one, again I say, NO ONE, is more opposed to this war than I am, but I believe we can win points on TRUTH, not supporting some goddamn Rambo nutcase (yes, mean/cruel characterization--the kid is mentally ill, I feel sorry for that, but think he set the movement back a good, or BAD, year) who wants two things: ATTENTION, and MORE ATTENTION. Massey is a disturbed LIAR. I've seen these types, I know them, an odd few have been my subordinates--he is FOS (full of shit) in a major way. He makes shit up to make himself feel better about the fact that he could not cut it on the run to Baghdad. He blew the USMC credo--stick with your buds, back them up at all costs. Guilt inducing; how to remedy that???
And he is is, indeed, mentally ill.
And I am firm in that assessment.
Others mileage may vary, but I know what I know.
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| -Is Jimmy Massey telling the truth about Iraq? (Marine atrocities made up?) |
Barrett808 |
Nov-06-05 12:16 PM |
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Surprise! Surprise! "Fellow Marines" disavow his comments!! |
Southsideirish |
Nov-06-05 12:29 PM |
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This guy sounds like he needs some SERIOUS medical help |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 01:02 PM |
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I agree with you. If people would read the story, they will find... |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 01:07 PM |
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I'd love to see the RE code on his discharge certificate |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 01:12 PM |
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So, what are your medical credentials that allow you to make.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:41 PM |
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An enormous amount of experience dealing with discharges of this |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 03:52 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-06-05 05:30 PM |
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I was there then |
Columbia |
Nov-06-05 06:40 PM |
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He spent considerable time |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 06:07 PM |
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oh yeah, you're so right. I'm sure evry American soldier in Iraq |
Jara sang |
Nov-06-05 02:39 PM |
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You must be responding to another post, since I never addressed.. |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 02:42 PM |
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The lying of the Busch Junta is well-documented.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:29 PM |
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No....Kerry's actions were supported by eyewitness accounts. |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 03:36 PM |
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Got the name of any of the other alleged eyewitnesses? |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:41 PM |
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Re-read my post. |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 03:47 PM |
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No, you're questioning his original story because the writer chose to... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:23 PM |
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How are you so certain that Massey is lying? n/t |
Jara sang |
Nov-06-05 03:30 PM |
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Did you read the whole story? |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 03:35 PM |
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Got any names? |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:36 PM |
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Yes....Massey. |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 03:38 PM |
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Riiigghhhttt. Whatever you say. LOL. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:42 PM |
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You need to read the article--Massey himself admitted he LIED. |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 04:01 PM |
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It's no use, MAdam |
brentspeak |
Nov-06-05 04:30 PM |
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I know--but hey, reread the whole thread, I found out some interesting |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 04:47 PM |
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And there are some in this thread who are here primarily for... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:21 PM |
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And the Post-Dispatch is completely reliable? Right. And you.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:15 PM |
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How reliable is MediaLiesDaily? |
Psephos |
Nov-07-05 12:06 AM |
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They endorsed Kerry in 04, for starters |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:40 AM |
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Why Is It So Hard |
politick |
Nov-07-05 12:07 PM |
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Why am I not suprised by your response. Shoot the messenger, right? |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:22 PM |
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When the messenger is lying.... |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 03:26 PM |
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In your opinion, the messenger is lying...sounds like you're... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:34 PM |
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Nope...just using my brain. |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 03:37 PM |
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Start verifying, and let us know how it turns out. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:42 PM |
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Lexis-Nexis is your friend. |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 03:51 PM |
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Fork over the names. If not, that will just continue to confirm.. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:37 PM |
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Maybe he's the Iraq-era Ted Sample. n/t |
Mzztakable |
Nov-07-05 12:07 PM |
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Have to assume you have read |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 03:25 PM |
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I've read this article in half a dozen papers |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 03:49 PM |
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What article? |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 06:53 PM |
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None of his alleged detractors seem to have a name. Hmmmm. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:36 PM |
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Yes they do, try reading the ARTICLE. n/t |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 04:05 PM |
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Name them. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:21 PM |
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If you cannot pick the names out, I cannot help you. |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:03 AM |
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How about Jimmy Massey! |
hughee99 |
Nov-08-05 01:20 PM |
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This line gave me a good laugh. |
mirandapriestly |
Nov-06-05 12:31 PM |
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It is good that he is out of the country |
BareNakedLiberal |
Nov-06-05 12:42 PM |
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He has had death threats. |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 03:21 PM |
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How 'bout the deaths of those holding the truth about Jessica Lynch? |
joeunderdog |
Nov-07-05 11:35 AM |
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of course |
BareNakedLiberal |
Nov-07-05 12:07 PM |
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Might as well don the tinfoil |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Nov-06-05 12:51 PM |
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Excellent points all... |
madeline_con |
Nov-06-05 03:21 PM |
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There are other sources |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 03:24 PM |
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Agent provocateur? |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 03:37 PM |
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Well ...hell Post Dispatch |
Catt03 |
Nov-06-05 12:51 PM |
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Blame the truth tellers. Continue the delusion and lies so people |
shance |
Nov-06-05 12:53 PM |
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Come on, this guy is NOT a truth teller, he is a bullshit artist!!! |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 01:06 PM |
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On what do you base your |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 03:35 PM |
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OK, now stop putting words in my mouth--that is not what I said at all |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 04:21 PM |
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Why would the military |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 05:33 PM |
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I do not think they did--he hung himself with his own changing stories, |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 09:57 AM |
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Got the names of Massey's accusers? |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 03:38 PM |
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Better yet, how about a PICTURE of one of them? |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 04:17 PM |
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Respectfully, you say Mr. Haviv |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 05:30 PM |
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READ the damn ARTICLE. n/t |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 09:58 AM |
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Well, damnit, I have read the damn |
lumpy |
Nov-07-05 10:11 AM |
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See post 119 n/t |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:27 AM |
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And Mr. Haviv was where in Iraq, exactly? How does this story lend... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:42 PM |
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Now I know you are just blowing smoke |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:01 AM |
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We're mixing up people....Harris wrote the piece, Havic wasn't quoted |
JoZbean |
Nov-10-05 08:20 PM |
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Read the whole story. Its pretty obvious that he is not a "truth teller". |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 01:08 PM |
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This isn't the only source. |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 03:39 PM |
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Bush and his troop are the real liars when it comes to Iraq |
daleo |
Nov-06-05 01:09 PM |
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Does it not bother you that Massey is obviously lying? |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 01:13 PM |
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I am not condoning any lies this guy might be telling, if he is lying |
daleo |
Nov-06-05 02:50 PM |
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You are right, but idiots like this clown do NOT HELP the cause |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 01:14 PM |
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I guess that is why I am saying it is distraction |
daleo |
Nov-06-05 03:20 PM |
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I honestly do not think this guy got out after 12 years under his own |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 03:29 PM |
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I respect your opinion |
daleo |
Nov-06-05 03:39 PM |
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Turns out he was there for less than two months, shipped home on a psych |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 04:54 PM |
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You personally don't know what Massey saw while he was in Iraq, do you? |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:45 PM |
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And, of course, you do! n/t |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 09:42 AM |
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Ron Haviv ?? |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 05:48 PM |
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Haviv was EMBEDDED with Massey's unit. |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 09:41 AM |
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You keep refering to Haviv |
lumpy |
Nov-07-05 10:02 AM |
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Why don't YOU do a little research, then? |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:07 AM |
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Your only argument is that you believe |
lumpy |
Nov-07-05 10:23 AM |
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See post 118 n/t |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:27 AM |
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I am familiar with post 118 |
lumpy |
Nov-07-05 10:35 AM |
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Sorry, 119 (my mouse jumped) |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:43 AM |
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Look, I'm not here to fight about it. |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 06:15 PM |
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All well and good |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 09:34 AM |
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It does look as though he may be a pathological liar like Bush and Cheney. |
Benhurst |
Nov-06-05 01:32 PM |
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I posted this same thread in GD since it was in yesterday's paper |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 02:15 PM |
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Massey's the one with the accusations to be proven. |
igil |
Nov-06-05 02:49 PM |
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If he's lying, it affects the credibility of more than just Jim Massey |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 03:38 PM |
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Good point. NT |
Benhurst |
Nov-06-05 05:14 PM |
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The St. Louis Dispatch sure isn't neutral in red red red Missouri |
0007 |
Nov-06-05 05:49 PM |
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Blue,blue city in a red,red state |
pintobean |
Nov-07-05 08:09 AM |
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They endorsed KERRY in 04 |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:46 AM |
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FYI MADem |
pintobean |
Nov-07-05 11:44 AM |
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Plenty of sites on the net |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 03:17 PM |
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Another piece of the puzzle |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 04:22 PM |
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They have this story because they had an embed with the unit |
MADem |
Nov-06-05 04:27 PM |
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Possibly not. But Tim Russert and Judith Miller also have world-wide |
Benhurst |
Nov-06-05 05:17 PM |
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Bingo. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:57 PM |
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You may be right, he may not have given any dough to Bush |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 05:32 PM |
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I'm afraid we won't get the answer |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 05:58 PM |
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Its quite simple actually. |
tx_dem41 |
Nov-06-05 06:56 PM |
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Two different Kevin Sheas |
Columbia |
Nov-06-05 06:37 PM |
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Thanks, but that doesn't prove it was two different Sheas |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 06:57 PM |
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Lt is O-1 or O-2, LtCol is O-5 |
Columbia |
Nov-06-05 06:59 PM |
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I don't know about rank |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 07:03 PM |
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A LtCol would never be in command of a platoon. |
Columbia |
Nov-06-05 07:06 PM |
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Thank you. |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 07:17 PM |
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Let's have a look at the guy who wrote the article--he is on the left |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:24 AM |
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Great interview with Ed Gordon. |
lumpy |
Nov-07-05 11:12 AM |
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Dupe, sorry, old mouse |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:24 AM |
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As an "embed", where do you think Haviv was positioned?.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Nov-06-05 05:55 PM |
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Take a few minutes, and research Haviv's career, why don't you? |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 09:44 AM |
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Well, we've heard a lot about Haviv |
lumpy |
Nov-06-05 06:26 PM |
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My agenda is to end this stupid war |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 09:48 AM |
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No |
lumpy |
Nov-07-05 10:33 AM |
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I stated my agenda, and you are dead wrong n/t |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:53 AM |
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I've just been watching the video of napalm used in Fallujua |
JoZbean |
Nov-07-05 07:03 PM |
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Only one embed was kicked out of Iraq in the run to Baghdad |
MADem |
Nov-08-05 08:44 AM |
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The thing is, MADem, we might not disagree eventually |
JoZbean |
Nov-08-05 05:52 PM |
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Sure. My bingos were Ron Haviv and Ron Harris, frankly |
MADem |
Nov-08-05 08:35 PM |
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St Louis Post Dispatch endorses Kerry in 2004 |
Columbia |
Nov-06-05 06:26 PM |
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That helps to expand the inquiry. Thanks |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 06:32 PM |
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Lee Enterprises with Gregory P Schermer, Veep |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 06:48 PM |
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Does Mr. Schermer own Lee Enterprises? |
Columbia |
Nov-06-05 06:56 PM |
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I'm not discrediting the entire newspaper..... |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 06:59 PM |
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The St. Louis Dispatch sure isn't neutral in red red red Missouri |
0007 |
Nov-06-05 05:56 PM |
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Cindy usually comes out fairly early as an indication of what's to come |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 06:29 PM |
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Not at all helpful Mr Massey |
Monkey see Monkey Do |
Nov-06-05 06:45 PM |
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Hell, the Right doesn't have to.... |
JoZbean |
Nov-06-05 07:06 PM |
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We now know about all the lies the media told us about Pat Tillman |
0007 |
Nov-07-05 02:57 AM |
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There is more truth than we want to admit... |
Tiberius |
Nov-07-05 08:54 AM |
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Does sound unconventional but who knows? |
0007 |
Nov-07-05 09:47 AM |
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That is what they are, STORIES |
MADem |
Nov-07-05 10:51 AM |
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Wonder what he would say about Fallujah and chemical weapons |
Barrett808 |
Nov-07-05 03:53 PM |
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Another article... |
ljaycox |
Nov-07-05 10:11 PM |
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Is Massey a plant? |
ignatzmouse |
Nov-08-05 07:02 AM |
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One has to wonder if he's a provocateur spreading disinformation. n/t |
Barrett808 |
Nov-08-05 09:33 AM |
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Massey has responded |
JoZbean |
Nov-10-05 08:35 PM |
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Karl Rove poison pill--send truth with an unreliable messenger |
yurbud |
Nov-08-05 05:56 PM |
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or just keep saying the messenger stinks and is unreliable |
MisterP |
Nov-08-05 08:58 PM |
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I don't buy the smear against Massey |
goodhue |
Nov-08-05 05:58 PM |
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Interesting -- so would you say this story is a hit piece? n/t |
Barrett808 |
Nov-09-05 03:11 PM |
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I'd say you all need to read this piece: |
JoZbean |
Nov-10-05 08:03 PM |
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Outing a liar: Hero Marine gets caught pulling a John Kerry (MT News) |
Barrett808 |
Nov-09-05 04:00 PM |
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I will never understand the need to endorse any kook who takes our side |
theboss |
Nov-09-05 04:06 PM |
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Once more for good measure....... |
JoZbean |
Nov-10-05 08:51 PM |
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Kick |
JoZbean |
Nov-11-05 08:13 PM |
#154 |