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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:44 AM
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139. Only one embed was kicked out of Iraq in the run to Baghdad
which occurred in 03 at the start of the war. Which is the period of time in question.

Just one: Geraldo. He decided to draw a line in the sand, detailling his position, the dunce. On live TV!

Since that time, a lot has happened. The insurgency, for one. Fallujah, Ramadi, IEDs, RPGs, the Syrian border ops.

The war in 03 is NOT the same war that has developed subsequent to the "major combat operations have ended" horseshit. Fallujah was the opening salvo of this "other war" -- if you recall, the reporters at the fancy media center basically walked out, because they weren't getting any useful information from the briefers.

A large percentage of the reporters who remain in Iraq nowadays do nothing but order room service and ask the waiters what the hell is going on--they are prisoners, essentially.

You have every right to your opinion, but I think Ron Harris isn't lying, and was not bought off. So we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue.
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  -Is Jimmy Massey telling the truth about Iraq? (Marine atrocities made up?) Barrett808  Nov-06-05 12:16 PM   #0 
  - Surprise! Surprise! "Fellow Marines" disavow his comments!!  Southsideirish   Nov-06-05 12:29 PM   #1 
  - This guy sounds like he needs some SERIOUS medical help  MADem   Nov-06-05 01:02 PM   #7 
     - I agree with you. If people would read the story, they will find...  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 01:07 PM   #9 
     - I'd love to see the RE code on his discharge certificate  MADem   Nov-06-05 01:12 PM   #12 
     - So, what are your medical credentials that allow you to make....  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:41 PM   #45 
        - An enormous amount of experience dealing with discharges of this  MADem   Nov-06-05 03:52 PM   #52 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-05 05:30 PM   #69 
           - I was there then  Columbia   Nov-06-05 06:40 PM   #88 
           - He spent considerable time  lumpy   Nov-06-05 06:07 PM   #81 
     - oh yeah, you're so right. I'm sure evry American soldier in Iraq  Jara sang   Nov-06-05 02:39 PM   #17 
     - You must be responding to another post, since I never addressed..  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 02:42 PM   #18 
        - The lying of the Busch Junta is well-documented....  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:29 PM   #29 
        - No....Kerry's actions were supported by eyewitness accounts.  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 03:36 PM   #36 
           - Got the name of any of the other alleged eyewitnesses?  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:41 PM   #46 
              - Re-read my post.  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 03:47 PM   #49 
                 - No, you're questioning his original story because the writer chose to...  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:23 PM   #67 
        - How are you so certain that Massey is lying? n/t  Jara sang   Nov-06-05 03:30 PM   #31 
           - Did you read the whole story?  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 03:35 PM   #33 
              - Got any names?  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:36 PM   #37 
                 - Yes....Massey.  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 03:38 PM   #41 
                    - Riiigghhhttt. Whatever you say. LOL.  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:42 PM   #47 
                       - You need to read the article--Massey himself admitted he LIED.  MADem   Nov-06-05 04:01 PM   #53 
                       - It's no use, MAdam  brentspeak   Nov-06-05 04:30 PM   #59 
                       - I know--but hey, reread the whole thread, I found out some interesting  MADem   Nov-06-05 04:47 PM   #60 
                       - And there are some in this thread who are here primarily for...  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:21 PM   #65 
                       - And the Post-Dispatch is completely reliable? Right. And you....  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:15 PM   #63 
                          - How reliable is MediaLiesDaily?  Psephos   Nov-07-05 12:06 AM   #101 
                          - They endorsed Kerry in 04, for starters  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:40 AM   #124 
                       - Why Is It So Hard  politick   Nov-07-05 12:07 PM   #133 
     - Why am I not suprised by your response. Shoot the messenger, right?  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:22 PM   #25 
     - When the messenger is lying....  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 03:26 PM   #28 
        - In your opinion, the messenger is lying...sounds like you're...  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:34 PM   #32 
           - Nope...just using my brain.  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 03:37 PM   #39 
              - Start verifying, and let us know how it turns out.  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:42 PM   #48 
                 - Lexis-Nexis is your friend.  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 03:51 PM   #51 
                    - Fork over the names. If not, that will just continue to confirm..  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:37 PM   #72 
     - Maybe he's the Iraq-era Ted Sample. n/t  Mzztakable   Nov-07-05 12:07 PM   #132 
     - Have to assume you have read  lumpy   Nov-06-05 03:25 PM   #27 
     - I've read this article in half a dozen papers  MADem   Nov-06-05 03:49 PM   #50 
        - What article?  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 06:53 PM   #91 
     - None of his alleged detractors seem to have a name. Hmmmm.  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:36 PM   #35 
        - Yes they do, try reading the ARTICLE. n/t  MADem   Nov-06-05 04:05 PM   #54 
           - Name them.  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:21 PM   #66 
              - If you cannot pick the names out, I cannot help you.  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:03 AM   #115 
              - How about Jimmy Massey!  hughee99   Nov-08-05 01:20 PM   #141 
  - This line gave me a good laugh.  mirandapriestly   Nov-06-05 12:31 PM   #2 
  - It is good that he is out of the country  BareNakedLiberal   Nov-06-05 12:42 PM   #3 
  - He has had death threats.  lumpy   Nov-06-05 03:21 PM   #24 
     - How 'bout the deaths of those holding the truth about Jessica Lynch?  joeunderdog   Nov-07-05 11:35 AM   #130 
     - of course  BareNakedLiberal   Nov-07-05 12:07 PM   #134 
  - Might as well don the tinfoil  Zodiak Ironfist   Nov-06-05 12:51 PM   #4 
  - Excellent points all...  madeline_con   Nov-06-05 03:21 PM   #23 
  - There are other sources  lumpy   Nov-06-05 03:24 PM   #26 
  - Agent provocateur?  lumpy   Nov-06-05 03:37 PM   #38 
  - Well ...hell Post Dispatch  Catt03   Nov-06-05 12:51 PM   #5 
  - Blame the truth tellers. Continue the delusion and lies so people  shance   Nov-06-05 12:53 PM   #6 
  - Come on, this guy is NOT a truth teller, he is a bullshit artist!!!  MADem   Nov-06-05 01:06 PM   #8 
  - On what do you base your  lumpy   Nov-06-05 03:35 PM   #34 
  - OK, now stop putting words in my mouth--that is not what I said at all  MADem   Nov-06-05 04:21 PM   #56 
     - Why would the military  lumpy   Nov-06-05 05:33 PM   #71 
        - I do not think they did--he hung himself with his own changing stories,  MADem   Nov-07-05 09:57 AM   #111 
  - Got the names of Massey's accusers?  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 03:38 PM   #40 
     - Better yet, how about a PICTURE of one of them?  MADem   Nov-06-05 04:17 PM   #55 
        - Respectfully, you say Mr. Haviv  lumpy   Nov-06-05 05:30 PM   #68 
        - READ the damn ARTICLE. n/t  MADem   Nov-07-05 09:58 AM   #112 
           - Well, damnit, I have read the damn  lumpy   Nov-07-05 10:11 AM   #117 
              - See post 119 n/t  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:27 AM   #120 
        - And Mr. Haviv was where in Iraq, exactly? How does this story lend...  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:42 PM   #73 
           - Now I know you are just blowing smoke  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:01 AM   #113 
              - We're mixing up people....Harris wrote the piece, Havic wasn't quoted  JoZbean   Nov-10-05 08:20 PM   #151 
  - Read the whole story. Its pretty obvious that he is not a "truth teller".  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 01:08 PM   #10 
     - This isn't the only source.  lumpy   Nov-06-05 03:39 PM   #43 
  - Bush and his troop are the real liars when it comes to Iraq  daleo   Nov-06-05 01:09 PM   #11 
  - Does it not bother you that Massey is obviously lying?  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 01:13 PM   #13 
  - I am not condoning any lies this guy might be telling, if he is lying  daleo   Nov-06-05 02:50 PM   #20 
  - You are right, but idiots like this clown do NOT HELP the cause  MADem   Nov-06-05 01:14 PM   #14 
     - I guess that is why I am saying it is distraction  daleo   Nov-06-05 03:20 PM   #22 
        - I honestly do not think this guy got out after 12 years under his own  MADem   Nov-06-05 03:29 PM   #30 
           - I respect your opinion  daleo   Nov-06-05 03:39 PM   #44 
              - Turns out he was there for less than two months, shipped home on a psych  MADem   Nov-06-05 04:54 PM   #61 
                 - You personally don't know what Massey saw while he was in Iraq, do you?  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:45 PM   #74 
                 - And, of course, you do! n/t  MADem   Nov-07-05 09:42 AM   #107 
                 - Ron Haviv ??  lumpy   Nov-06-05 05:48 PM   #75 
                 - Haviv was EMBEDDED with Massey's unit.  MADem   Nov-07-05 09:41 AM   #106 
                    - You keep refering to Haviv  lumpy   Nov-07-05 10:02 AM   #114 
                       - Why don't YOU do a little research, then?  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:07 AM   #116 
                          - Your only argument is that you believe  lumpy   Nov-07-05 10:23 AM   #118 
                             - See post 118 n/t  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:27 AM   #121 
                                - I am familiar with post 118  lumpy   Nov-07-05 10:35 AM   #123 
                                   - Sorry, 119 (my mouse jumped)  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:43 AM   #125 
                 - Look, I'm not here to fight about it.  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 06:15 PM   #82 
                    - All well and good  MADem   Nov-07-05 09:34 AM   #105 
  - It does look as though he may be a pathological liar like Bush and Cheney.  Benhurst   Nov-06-05 01:32 PM   #15 
  - I posted this same thread in GD since it was in yesterday's paper  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 02:15 PM   #16 
  - Massey's the one with the accusations to be proven.  igil   Nov-06-05 02:49 PM   #19 
     - If he's lying, it affects the credibility of more than just Jim Massey  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 03:38 PM   #42 
        - Good point. NT  Benhurst   Nov-06-05 05:14 PM   #62 
        - The St. Louis Dispatch sure isn't neutral in red red red Missouri  0007   Nov-06-05 05:49 PM   #76 
           - Blue,blue city in a red,red state  pintobean   Nov-07-05 08:09 AM   #103 
           - They endorsed KERRY in 04  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:46 AM   #126 
              - FYI MADem  pintobean   Nov-07-05 11:44 AM   #131 
  - Plenty of sites on the net  lumpy   Nov-06-05 03:17 PM   #21 
  - Another piece of the puzzle  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 04:22 PM   #57 
  - They have this story because they had an embed with the unit  MADem   Nov-06-05 04:27 PM   #58 
  - Possibly not. But Tim Russert and Judith Miller also have world-wide  Benhurst   Nov-06-05 05:17 PM   #64 
  - Bingo.  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:57 PM   #79 
  - You may be right, he may not have given any dough to Bush  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 05:32 PM   #70 
  - I'm afraid we won't get the answer  lumpy   Nov-06-05 05:58 PM   #80 
  - Its quite simple actually.  tx_dem41   Nov-06-05 06:56 PM   #92 
  - Two different Kevin Sheas  Columbia   Nov-06-05 06:37 PM   #87 
  - Thanks, but that doesn't prove it was two different Sheas  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 06:57 PM   #94 
     - Lt is O-1 or O-2, LtCol is O-5  Columbia   Nov-06-05 06:59 PM   #96 
        - I don't know about rank  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 07:03 PM   #97 
           - A LtCol would never be in command of a platoon.  Columbia   Nov-06-05 07:06 PM   #99 
              - Thank you.  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 07:17 PM   #100 
  - Let's have a look at the guy who wrote the article--he is on the left  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:24 AM   # 
  - Great interview with Ed Gordon.  lumpy   Nov-07-05 11:12 AM   #129 
  - Dupe, sorry, old mouse  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:24 AM   #119 
  - As an "embed", where do you think Haviv was positioned?....  Media_Lies_Daily   Nov-06-05 05:55 PM   #77 
  - Take a few minutes, and research Haviv's career, why don't you?  MADem   Nov-07-05 09:44 AM   #108 
  - Well, we've heard a lot about Haviv  lumpy   Nov-06-05 06:26 PM   #84 
  - My agenda is to end this stupid war  MADem   Nov-07-05 09:48 AM   #110 
     - No  lumpy   Nov-07-05 10:33 AM   #122 
        - I stated my agenda, and you are dead wrong n/t  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:53 AM   #128 
  - I've just been watching the video of napalm used in Fallujua  JoZbean   Nov-07-05 07:03 PM   #136 
     - Only one embed was kicked out of Iraq in the run to Baghdad  MADem   Nov-08-05 08:44 AM   #139 
        - The thing is, MADem, we might not disagree eventually  JoZbean   Nov-08-05 05:52 PM   #142 
           - Sure. My bingos were Ron Haviv and Ron Harris, frankly  MADem   Nov-08-05 08:35 PM   #145 
  - St Louis Post Dispatch endorses Kerry in 2004  Columbia   Nov-06-05 06:26 PM   #83 
     - That helps to expand the inquiry. Thanks  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 06:32 PM   #86 
     - Lee Enterprises with Gregory P Schermer, Veep  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 06:48 PM   #90 
        - Does Mr. Schermer own Lee Enterprises?  Columbia   Nov-06-05 06:56 PM   #93 
           - I'm not discrediting the entire newspaper.....  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 06:59 PM   #95 
  - The St. Louis Dispatch sure isn't neutral in red red red Missouri  0007   Nov-06-05 05:56 PM   #78 
  - Cindy usually comes out fairly early as an indication of what's to come  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 06:29 PM   #85 
  - Not at all helpful Mr Massey  Monkey see Monkey Do   Nov-06-05 06:45 PM   #89 
  - Hell, the Right doesn't have to....  JoZbean   Nov-06-05 07:06 PM   #98 
  - We now know about all the lies the media told us about Pat Tillman  0007   Nov-07-05 02:57 AM   #102 
  - There is more truth than we want to admit...  Tiberius   Nov-07-05 08:54 AM   #104 
  - Does sound unconventional but who knows?  0007   Nov-07-05 09:47 AM   #109 
  - That is what they are, STORIES  MADem   Nov-07-05 10:51 AM   #127 
  - Wonder what he would say about Fallujah and chemical weapons  Barrett808   Nov-07-05 03:53 PM   #135 
  - Another article...  ljaycox   Nov-07-05 10:11 PM   #137 
  - Is Massey a plant?  ignatzmouse   Nov-08-05 07:02 AM   #138 
  - One has to wonder if he's a provocateur spreading disinformation. n/t  Barrett808   Nov-08-05 09:33 AM   #140 
  - Massey has responded  JoZbean   Nov-10-05 08:35 PM   #152 
  - Karl Rove poison pill--send truth with an unreliable messenger  yurbud   Nov-08-05 05:56 PM   #143 
  - or just keep saying the messenger stinks and is unreliable  MisterP   Nov-08-05 08:58 PM   #146 
  - I don't buy the smear against Massey  goodhue   Nov-08-05 05:58 PM   #144 
  - Interesting -- so would you say this story is a hit piece? n/t  Barrett808   Nov-09-05 03:11 PM   #147 
  - I'd say you all need to read this piece:  JoZbean   Nov-10-05 08:03 PM   #150 
  - Outing a liar: Hero Marine gets caught pulling a John Kerry (MT News)  Barrett808   Nov-09-05 04:00 PM   #148 
  - I will never understand the need to endorse any kook who takes our side  theboss   Nov-09-05 04:06 PM   #149 
  - Once more for good measure.......  JoZbean   Nov-10-05 08:51 PM   #153 
  - Kick  JoZbean   Nov-11-05 08:13 PM   #154 

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