Reply #67: I agree with Depakid and Sendero, Fly by night, in this sense: I think

[Peace Patriot]

it's a good and necessary strategy--and the truth--that we could conceivably overcome electronic election fraud by the sheer number of progressive voters. I DO think there is a limit on the fraud as to preprogrammed percentages--or at least there was in 2004--and that, at this point, they may fear exposure of these election theft machines, so they might proceed more cautiously.

Also, I would never, never, NEVER want to discourage people from voting. Never! WE MUST NEVER GIVE UP OUR RIGHT TO VOTE! We must NEVER give in to "it's all rigged" cynicism.

But I don't believe in lying to people--as the Dem leadership has been doing. People need to know the truth. They need to act on it. And they need to VOTE in massive turnouts.

Of course I don't agree to a 2% or 3% fraud! Nor would Depakid and Sendero, I'm sure. No one wants that. But we have to think realistically. For instance, in 2004, when I realized what was happening with electronic voting, I urged people to obtain absentee ballots, as one of the few ways to get a paper record, for comparison with machine results. And that turned out to be very, very useful in analyzing the election results.

We simply don't have time to correct all the fraudulent voting systems in the country, before '06 or even '08. We have to devise additional, temporary, ad hoc strategies--such as www.UScountvotes.org, and their statistical monitoring project; parallel elections; independent exit polls, and so on--and get-out-the-vote efforts that tell people HONESTLY what is going on, and fire them up to overcome it with our numbers.

We have to do both--repair this election system, AND deal with non-transparent elections however we can in the meantime.