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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:47 AM
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34. A "strong defense"? A "smart defense" should be our motto
Every time I hear the phrase "a strong defense," I want to throw things at the TV screen.

That's the same Reaganite bullshit that helped get us into our current financial mess. For all the talk of "not throwing money at problems," the Republicans have thrown so much money at the Pentagon that it is unable to account for $2 trillion.

That's $2 trillion of taxpayer money that has been a) embezzled, b) spent on illegal black ops, or c) just plain mislaid, or d) all of the above.

Here's what the Democratic position on defense should be:

1) The Pentagon should get no more increases until it accounts for the missing $2 trillion. (A side note on how a stack of 2 trillion one-dollar bills would reach to the moon and back might be helpful. I bet the "lost" Pentagon money is greater than the amount of taxpayers' money spent on "welfare" for the last fifty years or so.) Call for the prosecution of those who squandered taxpayers's money and endangered national security by misappropriating funds. (We need to break through the mindset that says that all money sent to the Pentagon is well-spent and absolutely necessary while all other spending is "wasteful.")

2) Defense should be restructured to deal with actually existing threats, and leftovers from the Cold War (Those bases in Germany are protecting Germany from what, exactly?) or video game-like fantasy projects (Star Wars) should be shut down, with savings diverted to improving the quality of life and equipment needs of enlisted personnel.

3) No more sending young Americans to die invading countries that merely piss off the U.S. establishment. American military action will be limited to countries that actually attack or are seriously preparing to attack the U.S., to countries that attack allies, and to countries that are committing genocide.
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  -Democrats Urged to Abandon Election Myths sabra  Oct-06-05 10:45 AM   #0 
  - if we can get all dems talking the same line in 06 and if it is goof  tompayne1   Oct-06-05 10:47 AM   #1 
  - If the DNC can get the voting machines exposed before 2006 we win, because  blm   Oct-06-05 11:16 AM   #22 
     - And 2000!!!  Blue for Ohio   Oct-06-05 12:33 PM   #40 
  - More DLC bullshit  jackbourassa   Oct-06-05 10:47 AM   #2 
  - Amen. Number one myth we have to abandon is that of  Benhurst   Oct-06-05 10:53 AM   #7 
  - Amen to that! It's High Time the DLC got the message loud and clear  radio4progressives   Oct-06-05 11:36 AM   #30 
  - Your myth #2 is actually #1!  fshrink   Oct-06-05 01:13 PM   #50 
  - Ditto that. Blowing more smoke. nt  bemildred   Oct-06-05 11:10 AM   #19 
  - Let me add another amen to that.  cybildisobedience   Oct-06-05 12:47 PM   #46 
  - DLC doing the best it can to resuscitate its tattered image IMO n/t  mazzarro   Oct-06-05 11:37 AM   #31 
  - bullseye God I hate people like those two "Democratic experts" n/t  confludemocrat   Oct-06-05 04:41 PM   #65 
  - DLC's Third Way is not different from the Third Way in the film  IndianaGreen   Oct-06-05 10:01 PM   #70 
  - Be more moderate! Be tough on defense! What idiots.  Voltaire99   Oct-06-05 11:46 PM   #73 
  - Ah right, then we'll believe some guy in a cave er in iraq er some iraqis  radwriter0555   Oct-06-05 10:49 AM   #3 
  - Hey! That's voter verified paper ballots.  sfexpat2000   Oct-06-05 12:44 PM   #45 
  - It's NOT a myth it's a fact. Show me the evidence that it didn't  texpatriot2004   Oct-06-05 10:50 AM   # 
  - They Have Stolen 3 National Elections (2000, 2002, and 2004)  AndyTiedye   Oct-06-05 11:08 AM   #14 
     - "The republicans haven't won an election since 1988..." in 15 years...  radwriter0555   Oct-06-05 01:33 PM   #53 
  - The "election myths?"  Arkana   Oct-06-05 10:50 AM   #4 
  - In other words, turn into a republican.  T Wolf   Oct-06-05 10:52 AM   #5 
  - Republicans, not Democrats, need to abandon election myths.  BlueIris   Oct-06-05 10:53 AM   #6 
  - An Election Myth = Free Elections  SupplyConcerns   Oct-06-05 11:00 AM   #8 
  - Election myth: That Americans think Bush's Iraq policy is strong  jackbourassa   Oct-06-05 11:06 AM   #10 
  - That's what I thought too... Hey! Welcome to DU!!!!!  Angry Girl   Oct-06-05 11:10 AM   #17 
  - Boycott elections?  Laelth   Oct-06-05 11:42 AM   #33 
  - No, At Least Make Them Go to the Trouble of Stealing Your Vote  AndyTiedye   Oct-06-05 02:26 PM   #55 
  - Bingo. I hoped too they were talking about the need for FREE ELECTIONS!  cassiepriam   Oct-06-05 04:44 PM   #66 
  - Here's My Take  iamjoy   Oct-06-05 11:02 AM   #9 
  - The current party leadership has no vision to better articulate.  Voltaire99   Oct-07-05 12:04 AM   #75 
  - They wish  melody   Oct-06-05 11:06 AM   #11 
  - IMO the article is accurate on myths. We tried to tweak our platform  jody   Oct-06-05 11:06 AM   #12 
  - So Instead, We Are To Ignore the Views of 2/3 of the Voters?  AndyTiedye   Oct-06-05 11:13 AM   #21 
  - Clinton put it best  Tarc   Oct-06-05 11:23 AM   #26 
  - We Dems make up perhaps 33% of the voters. It's impossible to gain  jody   Oct-06-05 11:25 AM   #27 
     - It Is the REPUBS Who Ignore the Independents  AndyTiedye   Oct-06-05 02:40 PM   #57 
     - Effectiveness of pro-life propaganda  K-W   Oct-06-05 03:04 PM   #60 
     - That's we need IRV and PR NOW!  radio4progressives   Oct-06-05 04:46 PM   #67 
  - We dont ignore the views of independents, only wingnuts.  K-W   Oct-06-05 11:16 AM   #23 
  - I don't agree that people who vote for or against  jody   Oct-06-05 11:30 AM   #28 
     - They are not functionally independent in the current political climate.  K-W   Oct-06-05 12:29 PM   #38 
  - Give up equality, choice and the separation of church and state?  TankLV   Oct-06-05 10:42 PM   #71 
  - Kamarck a founder of DLC, I think, both are connected to PPI/Third Way.  madfloridian   Oct-06-05 11:07 AM   #13 
  - They ARE readying DU  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-06-05 11:09 AM   #15 
  - Be more Republican! Be more Republican!  amBushed   Oct-06-05 11:10 AM   #16 
  - The Two Greatest Myths I See  Demeter   Oct-06-05 11:10 AM   #18 
  - Dems can win if the Repubs stop stealing elections.  fooj   Oct-06-05 11:11 AM   #20 
  - Only if the Republicans abandon their myths that  superconnected   Oct-06-05 11:17 AM   #24 
  - Democrats need to stop focusing on domestic issues?!  sadiesworld   Oct-06-05 11:22 AM   #25 
  - AKA - Become the Republican Party  jsamuel   Oct-06-05 11:33 AM   #29 
  - The advice that we need more atractive candidates is not earth  John Q. Citizen   Oct-06-05 11:41 AM   #32 
  - It's Imperative that Grass Roots Dems PUSH IRV / PR Choice Voiting  radio4progressives   Oct-06-05 12:39 PM   #44 
  - A "strong defense"? A "smart defense" should be our motto  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-06-05 11:47 AM   #34 
  - Here is what we need.  RDANGELO   Oct-06-05 11:47 AM   #35 
  - They are partially correct  bluestateguy   Oct-06-05 11:58 AM   #36 
  - Pro-waffling consultants lose elections for Democrats  elsiesummers   Oct-06-05 12:21 PM   #37 
  - Democrats should abandon the worthless DLC idiots! nt  VegasWolf   Oct-06-05 12:31 PM   #39 
  - How about that- let's TRY real hard to lose again  depakid   Oct-06-05 12:35 PM   #41 
  - Oh, I've already abandoned the myth of fair elections  Solly Mack   Oct-06-05 12:35 PM   #42 
  - Did a tectonic shift just occur?  AntiFascist   Oct-06-05 12:35 PM   #43 
  - Why Does Will Lester Think This Is News?  DrFunkenstein   Oct-06-05 12:55 PM   #47 
  - Amazing in it's need of tweaking....  HardWorkingDem   Oct-06-05 01:04 PM   #48 
  - So, abandon the disenfranchised, abandon our values and principles...  VolcanoJen   Oct-06-05 01:07 PM   #49 
  - Voters in the middle say Democrats have no values  creeksneakers2   Oct-06-05 01:14 PM   #51 
  - #1 MYTH - > DLC Can Win Elections  bpilgrim   Oct-06-05 01:32 PM   #52 
  - Elected Democrats already abandoned the "election myth"  Norquist Nemesis   Oct-06-05 01:37 PM   #54 
  - What a bunch of bull.  lumpy   Oct-06-05 02:39 PM   #56 
  - Get rid of the electronic machines first,  nvliberal   Oct-06-05 02:43 PM   #58 
  - Lots of backpedaling here...  OzarkDem   Oct-06-05 02:48 PM   #59 
  - I was thinking the "election myths"  zidzi   Oct-06-05 03:08 PM   #61 
  - The biggest myth of all, of course that we matter  WannaJumpMyScooter   Oct-06-05 03:14 PM   #62 
  - These guys should abandon their dominant election myth that  Emillereid   Oct-06-05 03:23 PM   #63 
  - well the dlc stays on message -- i'll say that for them.  xchrom   Oct-06-05 04:38 PM   #64 
  - It's a joke. It's go to be. Surely.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Oct-06-05 04:58 PM   #68 
  - I totally dissagree with that article.  gorbal   Oct-06-05 06:04 PM   #69 
  - If we tell the truth and stick with our story, we win. n/t  Dr Fate   Oct-06-05 10:53 PM   #72 
  - These myths are themselves a myth...  anaxarchos   Oct-07-05 12:03 AM   #74 
  - Screw them. Just screw them.  grasswire   Oct-07-05 12:28 AM   #76 
  - Words without knowledge  UKCynic   Oct-07-05 12:30 AM   #77 
  - and also . .  UKCynic   Oct-07-05 12:40 AM   #78 
  - Like it or not, there are some points to consider here.  RBInMaine   Oct-07-05 05:00 AM   #79 

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