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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 06:48 AM
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17. if the flag
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 07:03 AM by tainowarrior
flew over Southern slave plantations, and it flew while Masters raped female slaves, and it flew over Overseers beating the crap of slaves, I don't want to hear about how it is an honorable flag.

Some soldiers are just not honorable or fought for the wrong reasons. Example: the Nazis, or the Soviets invading Afghanistan or Hungary etc.

Sorry, but the Confederacy housed the WRONG side of the war...the side that wanted to preserve slavery as an integral part of their cotton economy, and therefore argued a "State's right" argument to preserve the institution. It isn't until the balance of free states and slave states is going to be upset by the introduction of new FREE states, that the South decided it was time to leave. It was ALL about slavery.

The Confederacy was wrong, and the Confederate flag, whether proponents like it or not, stands for slavery. The entire reason for existing was based on keeping slavery.


Read post #12 on this thread for a direct quote from the South's ultimatum regarding slavery as the primary motivation.
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  -Plan to Show Confederate Flag Draws Heat deadparrot  Oct-03-05 11:39 PM   #0 
  - Would someone please tell these Dixie loyalists  proud2Blib   Oct-03-05 11:42 PM   #1 
  - That bunch is still fighting the civil war.  The_Casual_Observer   Oct-04-05 12:54 AM   #3 
  - I have no problem with the flag  Yupster   Oct-04-05 01:41 AM   #4 
  - Depends on what they mean by Confederate flag...  Solon   Oct-04-05 01:51 AM   #6 
  - True  Yupster   Oct-04-05 01:53 AM   #7 
  - Yep, I left out the middle one, which is simply the middle one in my post.  Solon   Oct-04-05 02:00 AM   #9 
  - At least three  DelawareValleyDem   Oct-04-05 07:59 AM   #34 
  - And the one they insist on flying, is actually a battle flag, not...  Javaman   Oct-04-05 09:34 AM   #41 
  - I am SO glad you did that, so I didn't have to.  Tyler Durden   Oct-04-05 07:56 AM   #33 
  - So based on that logic the Nazi flag should fly proudly over prison camps  wndycty   Oct-04-05 06:45 AM   #15 
     - thank you..  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 06:49 AM   #18 
     - We had this old racist pig honoring Nazi dead  BringEmOn   Oct-04-05 07:08 AM   #23 
     - As a matter of fact...  BiggJawn   Oct-04-05 07:34 AM   #30 
     - What was the primary crime of the Nazis?  Uncle Joe   Oct-04-05 01:13 PM   #46 
  - Can't we just say we were wrong  joeunderdog   Oct-04-05 07:42 AM   #31 
  - Just saw someone flying the Confederate flag near where I live...  KansDem   Oct-05-05 05:23 PM   #73 
  - Look at this LTTE I just found in my hometown paper  proud2Blib   Oct-04-05 12:48 AM   #2 
  - Brilliant letter.  Voltaire99   Oct-04-05 01:49 AM   #5 
  - The Confederate States of America was the most massive hate group  frozenfishdemon   Oct-04-05 01:53 AM   #8 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-04-05 06:35 AM   #12 
     - thanks for posting that  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 06:54 AM   #20 
     - I have a whole slew of documentations  Blaq Dem   Oct-04-05 07:07 AM   #22 
        - awesome...i'm going to be using that link  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 07:11 AM   #24 
        - Don't forget what they mean by "States' Rights"  Blaq Dem   Oct-04-05 07:29 AM   #29 
        - And there were poor whites in the South that didn't want to own slaves,  igil   Oct-04-05 09:52 AM   #42 
     - The Reasons For The War  iamjoy   Oct-04-05 07:45 AM   #32 
        - Interesting post, iamjoy.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Oct-04-05 09:02 AM   #38 
        - Absolutely right! It's simplistic to think  DemBones DemBones   Oct-04-05 03:21 PM   #48 
     - Just curious  calmblueocean   Oct-04-05 06:41 AM   #14 
     - Confederate flag means preserving the institution of slavery  Blaq Dem   Oct-04-05 06:46 AM   #16 
     - I think there's a strict constructionist or originalist among us.  igil   Oct-04-05 09:59 AM   #43 
     - my apologies beforehand  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 06:53 AM   #19 
     - The balance of free states and slave states  Yupster   Oct-05-05 12:21 AM   #56 
     - That flag needs to be retired.  proud2Blib   Oct-04-05 06:23 PM   #54 
     - THE reason for starting the civil war was for the RIGHT to permit any new  TankLV   Oct-05-05 02:07 PM   #67 
  - Just remember the slave ships flew the flag of the USA.  DemBones DemBones   Oct-04-05 05:58 AM   #10 
  - .  johnnie   Oct-04-05 06:32 AM   #11 
  - Because the South wouldn't have ratified the constitution without slavery  Blaq Dem   Oct-04-05 06:39 AM   #13 
  - right...  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 06:56 AM   #21 
     - The Yankee mill owners had no problems  DemBones DemBones   Oct-04-05 03:05 PM   #47 
  - if the flag  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 06:48 AM   #17 
  - For the greater part of slavery in this country...  Bridget Burke   Oct-04-05 07:15 AM   #26 
  - don't get me wrong...  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 07:24 AM   #27 
     - Gosh, who's Malcolm X?  Bridget Burke   Oct-04-05 07:29 AM   #28 
        - Exterminated, sadly  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 08:19 AM   #35 
  - So when are we going to ban the U.S. flag?  DemBones DemBones   Oct-04-05 03:25 PM   #49 
  - UPDATE: Post # 12 has been deleted. nt  DemBones DemBones   Oct-04-05 03:26 PM   #50 
  - neo-confederates are traitors, and they hate our country  NorthernSpy   Oct-04-05 07:14 AM   #25 
  - I agree they are ahistorical morons..  tainowarrior   Oct-04-05 08:22 AM   #36 
  - Chronic, hapless losers, like the Nazis.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Oct-04-05 09:14 AM   #39 
  - If the government thought they could convict  Yupster   Oct-05-05 12:25 AM   #57 
  - The South will rise again!  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-04-05 08:30 AM   #37 
  - As Shelby Foote pointed out,  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Oct-04-05 09:23 AM   #40 
  - I went to a lecture of Foote's  Yupster   Oct-05-05 12:32 AM   #59 
     - Maybe you're right, though personally, I don't think so.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Oct-05-05 12:32 PM   #66 
  - Yeah too bad we don't have some General  Yupster   Oct-05-05 12:28 AM   #58 
  - One difference  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-05-05 11:21 AM   #65 
  - Don't be so sure  bluedonkey   Oct-05-05 01:37 AM   #61 
     - Concilation prize, huh?  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-05-05 11:19 AM   #64 
  - They actually should fly this over the Whitehouse...  BLUEBOY   Oct-04-05 10:05 AM   #44 
  - Supporting the Terrorist!!!  maxrandb   Oct-04-05 12:53 PM   #45 
  - Out of all the people to blame the Civil War on,  Yupster   Oct-05-05 12:38 AM   #60 
  - it's a traitors flag  anotherdrew   Oct-04-05 03:46 PM   #51 
  - My great great grandfather died there  marshall   Oct-04-05 03:47 PM   #52 
  - Every Single TIME a post on this topic erupts, it turns into a flame war  GarySeven   Oct-04-05 04:21 PM   #53 
  - Nice try - not working!  TankLV   Oct-05-05 02:21 PM   #68 
  - You are so full of it ...  GarySeven   Oct-05-05 05:15 PM   #71 
  - Dead wrong: "No Northern soldier fought to end slavery" many did but  confludemocrat   Oct-05-05 04:25 PM   #69 
     - Thanks for focusing on one tiny little pinpoint of pixels  GarySeven   Oct-05-05 05:18 PM   #72 
  - Tell them to pick one of these flags...  IanDB1   Oct-04-05 07:58 PM   #55 
     - I think  bluedonkey   Oct-05-05 01:43 AM   #62 
     - I guess you do not see it in the spirit in which I intended it. n/t  IanDB1   Oct-05-05 05:27 AM   #63 
     - Love the first one. Sherman saved southeners from themselves. His autobio  confludemocrat   Oct-05-05 04:31 PM   #70 

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