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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:25 PM
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82. and, when you neighbor isn't home
you use your universal remote to change the channel.

that's the equivalent. wifi is interactive, your computer talks to the router, which transmits the requested information. Your computer says "check my gmail" the router send back the information from gmail. so you aren't just watching TV, you are actively controlling the TV. There is a difference.
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  -Stealing your neighbor's Net (Wi-Fi pirating trend, is it legal?) truthpusher  Aug-09-05 04:05 PM   #0 
  - Is stealing ANYthing legal?  Eloriel   Aug-09-05 04:06 PM   #1 
  - I'd leave mine open on purpose,  phantom power   Aug-09-05 04:09 PM   #2 
  - Problem with that  liberalcenter   Aug-09-05 04:49 PM   #13 
     - That sounds like fun. I keep mine locked up tighter than a bug's ass.  phantom power   Aug-09-05 04:53 PM   #15 
  - It's very common, but it's not legal.  ihaveaquestion   Aug-09-05 04:09 PM   #3 
  - There is a wifi hack out there  AngryAmish   Aug-09-05 04:10 PM   #4 
  - its called using an external antenna  don954   Aug-09-05 05:15 PM   #20 
  - I'm doing it.  jobycom   Aug-09-05 04:11 PM   #5 
  - Ultimately you are hurting all people who pay for the service  slackmaster   Aug-09-05 04:19 PM   #7 
  - That doesn't sound quite convincing to me  jobycom   Aug-09-05 04:36 PM   #11 
  - Connections at the fringes of the 'Net are typically underutilized  slackmaster   Aug-09-05 05:13 PM   #19 
  - Last time I checked, We The People own the airwaves and  Scout1071   Aug-09-05 07:32 PM   #26 
  - You are free to install your own high speed infrastructure  slackmaster   Aug-10-05 10:03 AM   #40 
     - So Does Broadcasting ABC, NBC and CBS Over...  jayfish   Aug-10-05 12:29 PM   #52 
        - Just like police scanners used to be able to pick up cell phones.  genieroze   Aug-10-05 05:08 PM   #95 
        - Isn't That Just Swell.  jayfish   Aug-10-05 08:26 PM   #126 
        - bit off base there.  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:48 PM   #118 
           - Can You Provide A link To That Statute.  jayfish   Aug-10-05 08:24 PM   #124 
           - I Found A Little Something For You  jayfish   Aug-10-05 08:42 PM   #129 
  - Nah, the corporations charge WAAAAY too much for net connections... they  radwriter0555   Aug-10-05 12:46 AM   #36 
     - Apples and oranges  slackmaster   Aug-10-05 10:01 AM   #39 
     - well...  BrutalEntropy   Aug-11-05 01:03 AM   #144 
     - Wrong  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 06:48 PM   #104 
  - If someone is broadcasting their SSID...  jbonkowski70   Aug-09-05 05:19 PM   #22 
  - Which is on by default in MS Windows....  rman   Aug-10-05 12:19 AM   #34 
     - what does this have to do with MS?  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 10:54 AM   #44 
        - Access points are configured from within Windows  rman   Aug-10-05 12:19 PM   #51 
           - Actually Most Consumer...  jayfish   Aug-10-05 01:19 PM   #57 
           - The router is independent of Windows. The router has its own  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 02:10 PM   #64 
           - Not even remotely correct.  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 06:42 PM   #103 
  - If you can get to THEM  MADem   Aug-09-05 06:54 PM   #25 
     - Exactly! If you are stealing bandwidth by connecting to an unsecured  VegasWolf   Aug-09-05 07:46 PM   # 
     - I've heard some fiends create home pages that duplicate hotspot  henslee   Aug-10-05 11:07 AM   #45 
     - Exactly! If you are stealing bandwidth by connecting to an unsecured  VegasWolf   Aug-09-05 07:46 PM   #27 
     - My wifi is locked tight as a drum. nt  VegasWolf   Aug-09-05 08:32 PM   #30 
     - Good point.  trogdor   Aug-10-05 01:55 PM   #61 
  - This is interesting.  displacedtexan   Aug-09-05 04:14 PM   #6 
  - I don't understand why the big companies are (well yes I do) stopping  okieinpain   Aug-09-05 04:41 PM   #12 
  - not really  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-09-05 05:23 PM   #24 
     - sorry, don't agree. wireless is a great deal slower then wire.  okieinpain   Aug-09-05 11:49 PM   #32 
        - I agree..  Omphaloskepsis   Aug-10-05 12:35 AM   #35 
        - exactly my point  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 01:20 AM   #38 
        - I agree completely  Gelliebeans   Aug-10-05 01:07 AM   #37 
  - I like the floodlight analogy  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-09-05 04:56 PM   #16 
  - so as long as I'm not costing you anything  northzax   Aug-10-05 10:10 AM   #41 
     - throwing packets  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 10:46 AM   #43 
     - you have every right  northzax   Aug-10-05 11:08 AM   #46 
        - no, it's still not analogous  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 11:36 AM   #47 
           - Anyone, under the law, can toss a packet anywhere  northzax   Aug-10-05 11:46 AM   #48 
              - by the same token  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 01:53 PM   #60 
     - If I Was Putting All Of That Stuff Out On The Street...  jayfish   Aug-10-05 12:34 PM   #53 
     - it would be stupid, certianly  northzax   Aug-10-05 12:59 PM   #55 
        - After Reading Some...  jayfish   Aug-10-05 01:17 PM   #56 
           - I don't know why you ever would  northzax   Aug-10-05 01:22 PM   #58 
              - Oh, I Don't Know Anyone Who Would Either.  jayfish   Aug-10-05 01:43 PM   #59 
     - illogical analogy  BrutalEntropy   Aug-11-05 01:09 AM   #145 
        - so stealing satellite is acceptable?  northzax   Aug-11-05 08:56 AM   #148 
           - still no trespass  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 12:34 PM   #150 
           - almost, but not quite  northzax   Aug-11-05 01:18 PM   #153 
              - an automated (ie computer) response  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 06:37 PM   #158 
           - it was until 1998  Indy Lurker   Aug-11-05 01:29 PM   #155 
           - yep  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 06:47 PM   #159 
           - odd.  BrutalEntropy   Aug-11-05 02:32 PM   #157 
  - As long as you don't mind people potentially watching what you  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 02:24 PM   #67 
  - and what happens if someone using your connection  Kurovski   Aug-09-05 04:26 PM   #8 
  - Yep - I would be REALLY careful about leaving my WiFi connection open ...  GregW   Aug-09-05 05:18 PM   #21 
  - Only possible because people aren't setting it up right  Jim4Wes   Aug-09-05 04:30 PM   #9 
  - True...  phusion   Aug-10-05 08:46 PM   #133 
  - Should Steve Hargraves, the reporter for this article, be jailed  Purrfessor   Aug-09-05 04:31 PM   #10 
  - Eh. I can hop on to 2 sometimes 3 wireless networks from where I sit  DS1   Aug-09-05 04:53 PM   #14 
  - Technical question here  kgfnally   Aug-09-05 05:00 PM   #17 
  - I think its common, but I wouldn't call it legal...  pimpbot   Aug-09-05 05:10 PM   #18 
  - the trespassing argument wouldn't work  kgfnally   Aug-10-05 02:05 PM   #63 
  - That wouldn't work in the way that you're thinking  Don Claybrook   Aug-10-05 02:24 PM   #68 
  - What you're describing is a "mesh" network  TheWraith   Aug-10-05 09:33 PM   #140 
  - As far as cable companies are concerned...  neuvocat   Aug-09-05 05:19 PM   #23 
  - no, it's more like your neighbor  uncle ray   Aug-09-05 08:15 PM   #28 
     - thank you, that's exactly what it analogises to  kgfnally   Aug-10-05 02:17 PM   #65 
     - and, when you neighbor isn't home  northzax   Aug-10-05 04:25 PM   #82 
  - I turned off my WiFi on my router  CatholicEdHead   Aug-09-05 08:25 PM   #29 
  - one more step  emc   Aug-09-05 08:50 PM   #31 
  - Worked until neighboring office moved  noladude   Aug-10-05 12:11 AM   #33 
  - Welcome to DU!  ih8thegop   Aug-11-05 10:29 PM   #161 
  - I would argue that it is not illegal  northzax   Aug-10-05 10:13 AM   #42 
     - If you have an unsecured wap, you probably are breaking the TOS..  pimpbot   Aug-10-05 12:01 PM   #49 
     - under the deal in question  northzax   Aug-10-05 12:03 PM   #50 
     - Um...  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:19 PM   #111 
        - since it's an illegal apartment building  northzax   Aug-11-05 08:50 AM   #147 
     - Isn't breaking the TOS (contract terms) illigal  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:10 PM   #106 
     - I would argue that it's not even unethical  kgfnally   Aug-10-05 02:22 PM   #66 
        - satelite TV is a signal in the air  northzax   Aug-10-05 04:14 PM   #78 
  - I did it by accident for a while  union_maid   Aug-10-05 12:43 PM   #54 
  - Little known eleventh commandment...  Canuckistanian   Aug-10-05 02:01 PM   #62 
  - People really attach to open links, especially ones that say "linksys"??  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 02:27 PM   #69 
  - There's a lot of argument that this is legal and perfectly acceptable, but  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 02:35 PM   #70 
  - The reason is no more complex in that some people are too CHEAP  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 02:39 PM   #71 
  - Exactly my point! n/t  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 02:40 PM   #72 
  - share and share alike! just as my neighbor gives me extra apples...  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:21 PM   #80 
     - If you choose to share your bandwidth, then it's fair use, but...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 04:27 PM   #83 
        - sorry, "consumer beware" .... it's the American Way  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:51 PM   #90 
        - way off  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:56 PM   #119 
        - PS how is someone to know it's allowed or not?  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:54 PM   #91 
           - Err, maybe because the signal will say something like Public Access Point  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 05:13 PM   #96 
           - How is someone supposed to know if access is allowed?  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 05:47 PM   #97 
  - how using your router is perfectly acceptable and not trespass  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 03:59 PM   #75 
  - good job  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:11 PM   #76 
  - It isn't illegal, provided...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 04:12 PM   #77 
  - hence the sophistry  northzax   Aug-10-05 04:18 PM   #79 
  - Well put! Unfortunately logic doesn't support cheapness!!! nt  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 04:50 PM   #89 
  - LOL  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:30 PM   #113 
  - not wrong  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 04:32 PM   #84 
     - I never claimed you don't have a right...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 04:40 PM   #85 
        - not the same thing as stealing a car  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 06:05 PM   #99 
           - Your argument is weak right here...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 06:15 PM   #100 
           - Why would you leave your network open? Do you leave your OS  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 06:18 PM   #101 
              - I leave my wireless open  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:10 PM   #107 
                 - Ok. Explain how a secured and encrypted access point is vulnerable?  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 07:11 PM   #108 
                 - I guess you didn't  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:35 PM   #114 
                 - Duh, of course WPA is better, every child knows that.! Ever wonder  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:26 PM   #125 
                    - and...?  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 08:58 PM   #134 
                       - Yes, I'm trying to say that my WAP is malicious! RE your point  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 09:00 PM   #135 
                       - correct  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 09:12 PM   #137 
                          - Right, but some people are not that smart. You hear posters talking  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 09:42 PM   #141 
                       - RE your last point. The hacker rooms are full of talk about how wonderful  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 09:09 PM   #136 
                 - oh yeah, fyi  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:43 PM   #117 
                    - Gee, that's brilliant. Of course it is! I'm talking about a malicious  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:30 PM   #127 
                 - Wha??  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:42 PM   #116 
                    - erm..  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:58 PM   #122 
  - true, true  northzax   Aug-10-05 04:23 PM   #81 
  - really?  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:01 PM   #105 
     - You can't tell the difference  northzax   Aug-11-05 08:48 AM   #146 
        - how would you tell the difference  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 07:23 PM   #160 
  - Of course it is illegal. It's analogous to running a cable line over  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 04:49 PM   #88 
  - Boy that was contorted! Hope those packets aren't to loud!!! Packets  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 04:55 PM   #92 
     - I don't think it is illegal  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 08:19 PM   #123 
        - Yes, I agree with sniffing as a passive act, but disagree that  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 09:50 PM   #142 
           - using induction to suck energy  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 12:09 AM   #143 
              - The way I remember the story, and it has been about 30 years ago,  VegasWolf   Aug-11-05 12:59 PM   #152 
  - well dude, RTFM and reclaim your privacy  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:44 PM   #86 
     - Indeed it is. My point is that the ignorant...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 04:47 PM   #87 
     - there is no cheap lock  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:18 PM   #110 
        - That dosn't make sense  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:23 PM   #112 
           - not the same  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:38 PM   #115 
     - No, but because he is not smart enough to lock his door doesn't  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 05:01 PM   #93 
     - Totaly wrong  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:16 PM   #109 
        - but it's not trespassing  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 09:22 PM   #138 
  - I'm doing it, but I have a good excuse. Honest!  progdonkey   Aug-10-05 03:46 PM   #73 
  - Unless you're paying for the bandwidth you use...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 03:51 PM   #74 
  - Sounds like your sister's router is not configured correctly. A router  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 05:07 PM   #94 
  - "When Pigs Wi-Fi" -- (Wi-Fi For FREE in Umatilla County, Oregon)  HuckleB   Aug-10-05 06:00 PM   #98 
  - I think that is great!!! It is just so UNAMERICAN. JP Morgan would  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 06:19 PM   #102 
     - Of course, CNN would NEVER mention that  depakid   Aug-10-05 08:39 PM   #128 
  - Oh My! Here's my $.02  Pied Piper   Aug-10-05 07:56 PM   #120 
  - Right! and since their names were all "linksys" you know the  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:42 PM   #130 
  - Stealing is defined in the eyes of those who own the system.  HypnoToad   Aug-10-05 07:57 PM   #121 
  - Yeah, but the law also has a say! But, I doubt that they will care too  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:44 PM   #131 
  - Two words, "Identity theft" nt  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:45 PM   #132 
  - uh-huh  Rich Hunt   Aug-11-05 02:20 PM   #156 
  - If someone's using my WiFi signal who I don't know...  Placebo   Aug-10-05 09:30 PM   #139 
  - What If A Threatening Email Message Was Sent To The White House...  arwalden   Aug-11-05 09:00 AM   #149 
  - Nah! He would just have his computer confiscated for complete analysis  VegasWolf   Aug-11-05 12:50 PM   #151 
  - It's NOT illegal, nothing is "Stolen"  Indy Lurker   Aug-11-05 01:19 PM   #154 
  - So say I leave my front window open during a "pay per view" fight  U4ikLefty   Aug-12-05 12:17 AM   #162 
 

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