Clovis Sangrail
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Wed Aug-10-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #34 |
| 44. what does this have to do with MS? |
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Access points aren't running windows.
By default XP listens to ssid broadcasts.
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| -Stealing your neighbor's Net (Wi-Fi pirating trend, is it legal?) |
truthpusher |
Aug-09-05 04:05 PM |
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Is stealing ANYthing legal? |
Eloriel |
Aug-09-05 04:06 PM |
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I'd leave mine open on purpose, |
phantom power |
Aug-09-05 04:09 PM |
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Problem with that |
liberalcenter |
Aug-09-05 04:49 PM |
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That sounds like fun. I keep mine locked up tighter than a bug's ass. |
phantom power |
Aug-09-05 04:53 PM |
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It's very common, but it's not legal. |
ihaveaquestion |
Aug-09-05 04:09 PM |
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There is a wifi hack out there |
AngryAmish |
Aug-09-05 04:10 PM |
#4 |
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its called using an external antenna |
don954 |
Aug-09-05 05:15 PM |
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I'm doing it. |
jobycom |
Aug-09-05 04:11 PM |
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Ultimately you are hurting all people who pay for the service |
slackmaster |
Aug-09-05 04:19 PM |
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That doesn't sound quite convincing to me |
jobycom |
Aug-09-05 04:36 PM |
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Connections at the fringes of the 'Net are typically underutilized |
slackmaster |
Aug-09-05 05:13 PM |
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Last time I checked, We The People own the airwaves and |
Scout1071 |
Aug-09-05 07:32 PM |
#26 |
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You are free to install your own high speed infrastructure |
slackmaster |
Aug-10-05 10:03 AM |
#40 |
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So Does Broadcasting ABC, NBC and CBS Over... |
jayfish |
Aug-10-05 12:29 PM |
#52 |
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Just like police scanners used to be able to pick up cell phones. |
genieroze |
Aug-10-05 05:08 PM |
#95 |
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Isn't That Just Swell. |
jayfish |
Aug-10-05 08:26 PM |
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bit off base there. |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 07:48 PM |
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Can You Provide A link To That Statute. |
jayfish |
Aug-10-05 08:24 PM |
#124 |
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I Found A Little Something For You |
jayfish |
Aug-10-05 08:42 PM |
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Nah, the corporations charge WAAAAY too much for net connections... they |
radwriter0555 |
Aug-10-05 12:46 AM |
#36 |
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Apples and oranges |
slackmaster |
Aug-10-05 10:01 AM |
#39 |
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well... |
BrutalEntropy |
Aug-11-05 01:03 AM |
#144 |
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Wrong |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 06:48 PM |
#104 |
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If someone is broadcasting their SSID... |
jbonkowski70 |
Aug-09-05 05:19 PM |
#22 |
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Which is on by default in MS Windows.... |
rman |
Aug-10-05 12:19 AM |
#34 |
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what does this have to do with MS? |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 10:54 AM |
#44 |
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Access points are configured from within Windows |
rman |
Aug-10-05 12:19 PM |
#51 |
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Actually Most Consumer... |
jayfish |
Aug-10-05 01:19 PM |
#57 |
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The router is independent of Windows. The router has its own |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 02:10 PM |
#64 |
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Not even remotely correct. |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 06:42 PM |
#103 |
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If you can get to THEM |
MADem |
Aug-09-05 06:54 PM |
#25 |
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Exactly! If you are stealing bandwidth by connecting to an unsecured |
VegasWolf |
Aug-09-05 07:46 PM |
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I've heard some fiends create home pages that duplicate hotspot |
henslee |
Aug-10-05 11:07 AM |
#45 |
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Exactly! If you are stealing bandwidth by connecting to an unsecured |
VegasWolf |
Aug-09-05 07:46 PM |
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My wifi is locked tight as a drum. nt |
VegasWolf |
Aug-09-05 08:32 PM |
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Good point. |
trogdor |
Aug-10-05 01:55 PM |
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This is interesting. |
displacedtexan |
Aug-09-05 04:14 PM |
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I don't understand why the big companies are (well yes I do) stopping |
okieinpain |
Aug-09-05 04:41 PM |
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not really |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-09-05 05:23 PM |
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sorry, don't agree. wireless is a great deal slower then wire. |
okieinpain |
Aug-09-05 11:49 PM |
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I agree.. |
Omphaloskepsis |
Aug-10-05 12:35 AM |
#35 |
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exactly my point |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 01:20 AM |
#38 |
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I agree completely |
Gelliebeans |
Aug-10-05 01:07 AM |
#37 |
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I like the floodlight analogy |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-09-05 04:56 PM |
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so as long as I'm not costing you anything |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 10:10 AM |
#41 |
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throwing packets |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 10:46 AM |
#43 |
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you have every right |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 11:08 AM |
#46 |
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no, it's still not analogous |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 11:36 AM |
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Anyone, under the law, can toss a packet anywhere |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 11:46 AM |
#48 |
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by the same token |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 01:53 PM |
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If I Was Putting All Of That Stuff Out On The Street... |
jayfish |
Aug-10-05 12:34 PM |
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it would be stupid, certianly |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 12:59 PM |
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After Reading Some... |
jayfish |
Aug-10-05 01:17 PM |
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I don't know why you ever would |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 01:22 PM |
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Oh, I Don't Know Anyone Who Would Either. |
jayfish |
Aug-10-05 01:43 PM |
#59 |
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illogical analogy |
BrutalEntropy |
Aug-11-05 01:09 AM |
#145 |
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so stealing satellite is acceptable? |
northzax |
Aug-11-05 08:56 AM |
#148 |
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still no trespass |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-11-05 12:34 PM |
#150 |
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almost, but not quite |
northzax |
Aug-11-05 01:18 PM |
#153 |
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an automated (ie computer) response |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-11-05 06:37 PM |
#158 |
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it was until 1998 |
Indy Lurker |
Aug-11-05 01:29 PM |
#155 |
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yep |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-11-05 06:47 PM |
#159 |
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odd. |
BrutalEntropy |
Aug-11-05 02:32 PM |
#157 |
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As long as you don't mind people potentially watching what you |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 02:24 PM |
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and what happens if someone using your connection |
Kurovski |
Aug-09-05 04:26 PM |
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Yep - I would be REALLY careful about leaving my WiFi connection open ... |
GregW |
Aug-09-05 05:18 PM |
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Only possible because people aren't setting it up right |
Jim4Wes |
Aug-09-05 04:30 PM |
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True... |
phusion |
Aug-10-05 08:46 PM |
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Should Steve Hargraves, the reporter for this article, be jailed |
Purrfessor |
Aug-09-05 04:31 PM |
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Eh. I can hop on to 2 sometimes 3 wireless networks from where I sit |
DS1 |
Aug-09-05 04:53 PM |
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Technical question here |
kgfnally |
Aug-09-05 05:00 PM |
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I think its common, but I wouldn't call it legal... |
pimpbot |
Aug-09-05 05:10 PM |
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the trespassing argument wouldn't work |
kgfnally |
Aug-10-05 02:05 PM |
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That wouldn't work in the way that you're thinking |
Don Claybrook |
Aug-10-05 02:24 PM |
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What you're describing is a "mesh" network |
TheWraith |
Aug-10-05 09:33 PM |
#140 |
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As far as cable companies are concerned... |
neuvocat |
Aug-09-05 05:19 PM |
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no, it's more like your neighbor |
uncle ray |
Aug-09-05 08:15 PM |
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thank you, that's exactly what it analogises to |
kgfnally |
Aug-10-05 02:17 PM |
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and, when you neighbor isn't home |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 04:25 PM |
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I turned off my WiFi on my router |
CatholicEdHead |
Aug-09-05 08:25 PM |
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one more step |
emc |
Aug-09-05 08:50 PM |
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Worked until neighboring office moved |
noladude |
Aug-10-05 12:11 AM |
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Welcome to DU! |
ih8thegop |
Aug-11-05 10:29 PM |
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I would argue that it is not illegal |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 10:13 AM |
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If you have an unsecured wap, you probably are breaking the TOS.. |
pimpbot |
Aug-10-05 12:01 PM |
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under the deal in question |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 12:03 PM |
#50 |
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Um... |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 07:19 PM |
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since it's an illegal apartment building |
northzax |
Aug-11-05 08:50 AM |
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Isn't breaking the TOS (contract terms) illigal |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 07:10 PM |
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I would argue that it's not even unethical |
kgfnally |
Aug-10-05 02:22 PM |
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satelite TV is a signal in the air |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 04:14 PM |
#78 |
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I did it by accident for a while |
union_maid |
Aug-10-05 12:43 PM |
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Little known eleventh commandment... |
Canuckistanian |
Aug-10-05 02:01 PM |
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People really attach to open links, especially ones that say "linksys"?? |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 02:27 PM |
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There's a lot of argument that this is legal and perfectly acceptable, but |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 02:35 PM |
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The reason is no more complex in that some people are too CHEAP |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 02:39 PM |
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Exactly my point! n/t |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 02:40 PM |
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share and share alike! just as my neighbor gives me extra apples... |
crikkett |
Aug-10-05 04:21 PM |
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If you choose to share your bandwidth, then it's fair use, but... |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 04:27 PM |
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sorry, "consumer beware" .... it's the American Way |
crikkett |
Aug-10-05 04:51 PM |
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way off |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 07:56 PM |
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PS how is someone to know it's allowed or not? |
crikkett |
Aug-10-05 04:54 PM |
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Err, maybe because the signal will say something like Public Access Point |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 05:13 PM |
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How is someone supposed to know if access is allowed? |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 05:47 PM |
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how using your router is perfectly acceptable and not trespass |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 03:59 PM |
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good job |
crikkett |
Aug-10-05 04:11 PM |
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It isn't illegal, provided... |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 04:12 PM |
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hence the sophistry |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 04:18 PM |
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Well put! Unfortunately logic doesn't support cheapness!!! nt |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 04:50 PM |
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LOL |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 07:30 PM |
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not wrong |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 04:32 PM |
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I never claimed you don't have a right... |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 04:40 PM |
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not the same thing as stealing a car |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 06:05 PM |
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Your argument is weak right here... |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 06:15 PM |
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Why would you leave your network open? Do you leave your OS |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 06:18 PM |
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I leave my wireless open |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 07:10 PM |
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Ok. Explain how a secured and encrypted access point is vulnerable? |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 07:11 PM |
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I guess you didn't |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 07:35 PM |
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Duh, of course WPA is better, every child knows that.! Ever wonder |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 08:26 PM |
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and...? |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 08:58 PM |
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Yes, I'm trying to say that my WAP is malicious! RE your point |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 09:00 PM |
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correct |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 09:12 PM |
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Right, but some people are not that smart. You hear posters talking |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 09:42 PM |
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RE your last point. The hacker rooms are full of talk about how wonderful |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 09:09 PM |
#136 |
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oh yeah, fyi |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 07:43 PM |
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Gee, that's brilliant. Of course it is! I'm talking about a malicious |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 08:30 PM |
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Wha?? |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 07:42 PM |
#116 |
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erm.. |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 07:58 PM |
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true, true |
northzax |
Aug-10-05 04:23 PM |
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really? |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 07:01 PM |
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You can't tell the difference |
northzax |
Aug-11-05 08:48 AM |
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how would you tell the difference |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-11-05 07:23 PM |
#160 |
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Of course it is illegal. It's analogous to running a cable line over |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 04:49 PM |
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Boy that was contorted! Hope those packets aren't to loud!!! Packets |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 04:55 PM |
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I don't think it is illegal |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 08:19 PM |
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Yes, I agree with sniffing as a passive act, but disagree that |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 09:50 PM |
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using induction to suck energy |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-11-05 12:09 AM |
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The way I remember the story, and it has been about 30 years ago, |
VegasWolf |
Aug-11-05 12:59 PM |
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well dude, RTFM and reclaim your privacy |
crikkett |
Aug-10-05 04:44 PM |
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Indeed it is. My point is that the ignorant... |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 04:47 PM |
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there is no cheap lock |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 07:18 PM |
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That dosn't make sense |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 07:23 PM |
#112 |
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not the same |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 07:38 PM |
#115 |
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No, but because he is not smart enough to lock his door doesn't |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 05:01 PM |
#93 |
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Totaly wrong |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-05 07:16 PM |
#109 |
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but it's not trespassing |
Clovis Sangrail |
Aug-10-05 09:22 PM |
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I'm doing it, but I have a good excuse. Honest! |
progdonkey |
Aug-10-05 03:46 PM |
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Unless you're paying for the bandwidth you use... |
Mithras61 |
Aug-10-05 03:51 PM |
#74 |
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Sounds like your sister's router is not configured correctly. A router |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 05:07 PM |
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"When Pigs Wi-Fi" -- (Wi-Fi For FREE in Umatilla County, Oregon) |
HuckleB |
Aug-10-05 06:00 PM |
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I think that is great!!! It is just so UNAMERICAN. JP Morgan would |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 06:19 PM |
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Of course, CNN would NEVER mention that |
depakid |
Aug-10-05 08:39 PM |
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Oh My! Here's my $.02 |
Pied Piper |
Aug-10-05 07:56 PM |
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Right! and since their names were all "linksys" you know the |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 08:42 PM |
#130 |
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Stealing is defined in the eyes of those who own the system. |
HypnoToad |
Aug-10-05 07:57 PM |
#121 |
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Yeah, but the law also has a say! But, I doubt that they will care too |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 08:44 PM |
#131 |
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Two words, "Identity theft" nt |
VegasWolf |
Aug-10-05 08:45 PM |
#132 |
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uh-huh |
Rich Hunt |
Aug-11-05 02:20 PM |
#156 |
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If someone's using my WiFi signal who I don't know... |
Placebo |
Aug-10-05 09:30 PM |
#139 |
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What If A Threatening Email Message Was Sent To The White House... |
arwalden |
Aug-11-05 09:00 AM |
#149 |
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Nah! He would just have his computer confiscated for complete analysis |
VegasWolf |
Aug-11-05 12:50 PM |
#151 |
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It's NOT illegal, nothing is "Stolen" |
Indy Lurker |
Aug-11-05 01:19 PM |
#154 |
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So say I leave my front window open during a "pay per view" fight |
U4ikLefty |
Aug-12-05 12:17 AM |
#162 |
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