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emc Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:50 PM
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31. one more step
Now the person or persons you are piggybacking from are advertising--(fire wireless internet service)---example-----motel---coffee shop-----
Now, I dont take a room, but park across the street or in the next parking lot of the coffee shop----does this constitute stealing---
This is splitting hairs technically---and how many damn prisons can you open if you have to start to arrest people for piggybacking on top of all the other people who are being arrested for a nickle or dime bag----pretty soon there are going to be more people in prison then on the outside---

I go up to my local motel and park in the walmart lot across the street and I dont really think anyone is going to get in my face---maybe my computer but not my face--------
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  -Stealing your neighbor's Net (Wi-Fi pirating trend, is it legal?) truthpusher  Aug-09-05 04:05 PM   #0 
  - Is stealing ANYthing legal?  Eloriel   Aug-09-05 04:06 PM   #1 
  - I'd leave mine open on purpose,  phantom power   Aug-09-05 04:09 PM   #2 
  - Problem with that  liberalcenter   Aug-09-05 04:49 PM   #13 
     - That sounds like fun. I keep mine locked up tighter than a bug's ass.  phantom power   Aug-09-05 04:53 PM   #15 
  - It's very common, but it's not legal.  ihaveaquestion   Aug-09-05 04:09 PM   #3 
  - There is a wifi hack out there  AngryAmish   Aug-09-05 04:10 PM   #4 
  - its called using an external antenna  don954   Aug-09-05 05:15 PM   #20 
  - I'm doing it.  jobycom   Aug-09-05 04:11 PM   #5 
  - Ultimately you are hurting all people who pay for the service  slackmaster   Aug-09-05 04:19 PM   #7 
  - That doesn't sound quite convincing to me  jobycom   Aug-09-05 04:36 PM   #11 
  - Connections at the fringes of the 'Net are typically underutilized  slackmaster   Aug-09-05 05:13 PM   #19 
  - Last time I checked, We The People own the airwaves and  Scout1071   Aug-09-05 07:32 PM   #26 
  - You are free to install your own high speed infrastructure  slackmaster   Aug-10-05 10:03 AM   #40 
     - So Does Broadcasting ABC, NBC and CBS Over...  jayfish   Aug-10-05 12:29 PM   #52 
        - Just like police scanners used to be able to pick up cell phones.  genieroze   Aug-10-05 05:08 PM   #95 
        - Isn't That Just Swell.  jayfish   Aug-10-05 08:26 PM   #126 
        - bit off base there.  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:48 PM   #118 
           - Can You Provide A link To That Statute.  jayfish   Aug-10-05 08:24 PM   #124 
           - I Found A Little Something For You  jayfish   Aug-10-05 08:42 PM   #129 
  - Nah, the corporations charge WAAAAY too much for net connections... they  radwriter0555   Aug-10-05 12:46 AM   #36 
     - Apples and oranges  slackmaster   Aug-10-05 10:01 AM   #39 
     - well...  BrutalEntropy   Aug-11-05 01:03 AM   #144 
     - Wrong  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 06:48 PM   #104 
  - If someone is broadcasting their SSID...  jbonkowski70   Aug-09-05 05:19 PM   #22 
  - Which is on by default in MS Windows....  rman   Aug-10-05 12:19 AM   #34 
     - what does this have to do with MS?  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 10:54 AM   #44 
        - Access points are configured from within Windows  rman   Aug-10-05 12:19 PM   #51 
           - Actually Most Consumer...  jayfish   Aug-10-05 01:19 PM   #57 
           - The router is independent of Windows. The router has its own  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 02:10 PM   #64 
           - Not even remotely correct.  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 06:42 PM   #103 
  - If you can get to THEM  MADem   Aug-09-05 06:54 PM   #25 
     - Exactly! If you are stealing bandwidth by connecting to an unsecured  VegasWolf   Aug-09-05 07:46 PM   # 
     - I've heard some fiends create home pages that duplicate hotspot  henslee   Aug-10-05 11:07 AM   #45 
     - Exactly! If you are stealing bandwidth by connecting to an unsecured  VegasWolf   Aug-09-05 07:46 PM   #27 
     - My wifi is locked tight as a drum. nt  VegasWolf   Aug-09-05 08:32 PM   #30 
     - Good point.  trogdor   Aug-10-05 01:55 PM   #61 
  - This is interesting.  displacedtexan   Aug-09-05 04:14 PM   #6 
  - I don't understand why the big companies are (well yes I do) stopping  okieinpain   Aug-09-05 04:41 PM   #12 
  - not really  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-09-05 05:23 PM   #24 
     - sorry, don't agree. wireless is a great deal slower then wire.  okieinpain   Aug-09-05 11:49 PM   #32 
        - I agree..  Omphaloskepsis   Aug-10-05 12:35 AM   #35 
        - exactly my point  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 01:20 AM   #38 
        - I agree completely  Gelliebeans   Aug-10-05 01:07 AM   #37 
  - I like the floodlight analogy  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-09-05 04:56 PM   #16 
  - so as long as I'm not costing you anything  northzax   Aug-10-05 10:10 AM   #41 
     - throwing packets  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 10:46 AM   #43 
     - you have every right  northzax   Aug-10-05 11:08 AM   #46 
        - no, it's still not analogous  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 11:36 AM   #47 
           - Anyone, under the law, can toss a packet anywhere  northzax   Aug-10-05 11:46 AM   #48 
              - by the same token  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 01:53 PM   #60 
     - If I Was Putting All Of That Stuff Out On The Street...  jayfish   Aug-10-05 12:34 PM   #53 
     - it would be stupid, certianly  northzax   Aug-10-05 12:59 PM   #55 
        - After Reading Some...  jayfish   Aug-10-05 01:17 PM   #56 
           - I don't know why you ever would  northzax   Aug-10-05 01:22 PM   #58 
              - Oh, I Don't Know Anyone Who Would Either.  jayfish   Aug-10-05 01:43 PM   #59 
     - illogical analogy  BrutalEntropy   Aug-11-05 01:09 AM   #145 
        - so stealing satellite is acceptable?  northzax   Aug-11-05 08:56 AM   #148 
           - still no trespass  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 12:34 PM   #150 
           - almost, but not quite  northzax   Aug-11-05 01:18 PM   #153 
              - an automated (ie computer) response  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 06:37 PM   #158 
           - it was until 1998  Indy Lurker   Aug-11-05 01:29 PM   #155 
           - yep  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 06:47 PM   #159 
           - odd.  BrutalEntropy   Aug-11-05 02:32 PM   #157 
  - As long as you don't mind people potentially watching what you  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 02:24 PM   #67 
  - and what happens if someone using your connection  Kurovski   Aug-09-05 04:26 PM   #8 
  - Yep - I would be REALLY careful about leaving my WiFi connection open ...  GregW   Aug-09-05 05:18 PM   #21 
  - Only possible because people aren't setting it up right  Jim4Wes   Aug-09-05 04:30 PM   #9 
  - True...  phusion   Aug-10-05 08:46 PM   #133 
  - Should Steve Hargraves, the reporter for this article, be jailed  Purrfessor   Aug-09-05 04:31 PM   #10 
  - Eh. I can hop on to 2 sometimes 3 wireless networks from where I sit  DS1   Aug-09-05 04:53 PM   #14 
  - Technical question here  kgfnally   Aug-09-05 05:00 PM   #17 
  - I think its common, but I wouldn't call it legal...  pimpbot   Aug-09-05 05:10 PM   #18 
  - the trespassing argument wouldn't work  kgfnally   Aug-10-05 02:05 PM   #63 
  - That wouldn't work in the way that you're thinking  Don Claybrook   Aug-10-05 02:24 PM   #68 
  - What you're describing is a "mesh" network  TheWraith   Aug-10-05 09:33 PM   #140 
  - As far as cable companies are concerned...  neuvocat   Aug-09-05 05:19 PM   #23 
  - no, it's more like your neighbor  uncle ray   Aug-09-05 08:15 PM   #28 
     - thank you, that's exactly what it analogises to  kgfnally   Aug-10-05 02:17 PM   #65 
     - and, when you neighbor isn't home  northzax   Aug-10-05 04:25 PM   #82 
  - I turned off my WiFi on my router  CatholicEdHead   Aug-09-05 08:25 PM   #29 
  - one more step  emc   Aug-09-05 08:50 PM   #31 
  - Worked until neighboring office moved  noladude   Aug-10-05 12:11 AM   #33 
  - Welcome to DU!  ih8thegop   Aug-11-05 10:29 PM   #161 
  - I would argue that it is not illegal  northzax   Aug-10-05 10:13 AM   #42 
     - If you have an unsecured wap, you probably are breaking the TOS..  pimpbot   Aug-10-05 12:01 PM   #49 
     - under the deal in question  northzax   Aug-10-05 12:03 PM   #50 
     - Um...  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:19 PM   #111 
        - since it's an illegal apartment building  northzax   Aug-11-05 08:50 AM   #147 
     - Isn't breaking the TOS (contract terms) illigal  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:10 PM   #106 
     - I would argue that it's not even unethical  kgfnally   Aug-10-05 02:22 PM   #66 
        - satelite TV is a signal in the air  northzax   Aug-10-05 04:14 PM   #78 
  - I did it by accident for a while  union_maid   Aug-10-05 12:43 PM   #54 
  - Little known eleventh commandment...  Canuckistanian   Aug-10-05 02:01 PM   #62 
  - People really attach to open links, especially ones that say "linksys"??  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 02:27 PM   #69 
  - There's a lot of argument that this is legal and perfectly acceptable, but  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 02:35 PM   #70 
  - The reason is no more complex in that some people are too CHEAP  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 02:39 PM   #71 
  - Exactly my point! n/t  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 02:40 PM   #72 
  - share and share alike! just as my neighbor gives me extra apples...  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:21 PM   #80 
     - If you choose to share your bandwidth, then it's fair use, but...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 04:27 PM   #83 
        - sorry, "consumer beware" .... it's the American Way  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:51 PM   #90 
        - way off  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:56 PM   #119 
        - PS how is someone to know it's allowed or not?  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:54 PM   #91 
           - Err, maybe because the signal will say something like Public Access Point  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 05:13 PM   #96 
           - How is someone supposed to know if access is allowed?  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 05:47 PM   #97 
  - how using your router is perfectly acceptable and not trespass  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 03:59 PM   #75 
  - good job  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:11 PM   #76 
  - It isn't illegal, provided...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 04:12 PM   #77 
  - hence the sophistry  northzax   Aug-10-05 04:18 PM   #79 
  - Well put! Unfortunately logic doesn't support cheapness!!! nt  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 04:50 PM   #89 
  - LOL  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:30 PM   #113 
  - not wrong  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 04:32 PM   #84 
     - I never claimed you don't have a right...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 04:40 PM   #85 
        - not the same thing as stealing a car  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 06:05 PM   #99 
           - Your argument is weak right here...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 06:15 PM   #100 
           - Why would you leave your network open? Do you leave your OS  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 06:18 PM   #101 
              - I leave my wireless open  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:10 PM   #107 
                 - Ok. Explain how a secured and encrypted access point is vulnerable?  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 07:11 PM   #108 
                 - I guess you didn't  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:35 PM   #114 
                 - Duh, of course WPA is better, every child knows that.! Ever wonder  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:26 PM   #125 
                    - and...?  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 08:58 PM   #134 
                       - Yes, I'm trying to say that my WAP is malicious! RE your point  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 09:00 PM   #135 
                       - correct  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 09:12 PM   #137 
                          - Right, but some people are not that smart. You hear posters talking  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 09:42 PM   #141 
                       - RE your last point. The hacker rooms are full of talk about how wonderful  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 09:09 PM   #136 
                 - oh yeah, fyi  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:43 PM   #117 
                    - Gee, that's brilliant. Of course it is! I'm talking about a malicious  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:30 PM   #127 
                 - Wha??  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:42 PM   #116 
                    - erm..  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:58 PM   #122 
  - true, true  northzax   Aug-10-05 04:23 PM   #81 
  - really?  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:01 PM   #105 
     - You can't tell the difference  northzax   Aug-11-05 08:48 AM   #146 
        - how would you tell the difference  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 07:23 PM   #160 
  - Of course it is illegal. It's analogous to running a cable line over  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 04:49 PM   #88 
  - Boy that was contorted! Hope those packets aren't to loud!!! Packets  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 04:55 PM   #92 
     - I don't think it is illegal  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 08:19 PM   #123 
        - Yes, I agree with sniffing as a passive act, but disagree that  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 09:50 PM   #142 
           - using induction to suck energy  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-11-05 12:09 AM   #143 
              - The way I remember the story, and it has been about 30 years ago,  VegasWolf   Aug-11-05 12:59 PM   #152 
  - well dude, RTFM and reclaim your privacy  crikkett   Aug-10-05 04:44 PM   #86 
     - Indeed it is. My point is that the ignorant...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 04:47 PM   #87 
     - there is no cheap lock  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:18 PM   #110 
        - That dosn't make sense  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:23 PM   #112 
           - not the same  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 07:38 PM   #115 
     - No, but because he is not smart enough to lock his door doesn't  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 05:01 PM   #93 
     - Totaly wrong  Realityhack   Aug-10-05 07:16 PM   #109 
        - but it's not trespassing  Clovis Sangrail   Aug-10-05 09:22 PM   #138 
  - I'm doing it, but I have a good excuse. Honest!  progdonkey   Aug-10-05 03:46 PM   #73 
  - Unless you're paying for the bandwidth you use...  Mithras61   Aug-10-05 03:51 PM   #74 
  - Sounds like your sister's router is not configured correctly. A router  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 05:07 PM   #94 
  - "When Pigs Wi-Fi" -- (Wi-Fi For FREE in Umatilla County, Oregon)  HuckleB   Aug-10-05 06:00 PM   #98 
  - I think that is great!!! It is just so UNAMERICAN. JP Morgan would  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 06:19 PM   #102 
     - Of course, CNN would NEVER mention that  depakid   Aug-10-05 08:39 PM   #128 
  - Oh My! Here's my $.02  Pied Piper   Aug-10-05 07:56 PM   #120 
  - Right! and since their names were all "linksys" you know the  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:42 PM   #130 
  - Stealing is defined in the eyes of those who own the system.  HypnoToad   Aug-10-05 07:57 PM   #121 
  - Yeah, but the law also has a say! But, I doubt that they will care too  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:44 PM   #131 
  - Two words, "Identity theft" nt  VegasWolf   Aug-10-05 08:45 PM   #132 
  - uh-huh  Rich Hunt   Aug-11-05 02:20 PM   #156 
  - If someone's using my WiFi signal who I don't know...  Placebo   Aug-10-05 09:30 PM   #139 
  - What If A Threatening Email Message Was Sent To The White House...  arwalden   Aug-11-05 09:00 AM   #149 
  - Nah! He would just have his computer confiscated for complete analysis  VegasWolf   Aug-11-05 12:50 PM   #151 
  - It's NOT illegal, nothing is "Stolen"  Indy Lurker   Aug-11-05 01:19 PM   #154 
  - So say I leave my front window open during a "pay per view" fight  U4ikLefty   Aug-12-05 12:17 AM   #162 
 

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