| 72. If they had Osama bin Laden pinned down and helpless, I would STILL |
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object to their actions. Isn't that what separates us from the terrorists? We don't kill(presumptively) innocent people, and then treat it as an evil necessary to our "cause"?
The truly frightening thing about this is that the Bush mentality ("no mistakes here")seems to have taken over Great Britain....not admitting that this "policy" is a dangerous disaster, and changing it immediately.
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| -Brazilian did not wear bulky jacket |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-27-05 10:37 PM |
#0 |
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The BBC had initially reported that he was wearing a windbreaker |
Kathy in Cambridge |
Jul-27-05 10:40 PM |
#1 |
  -
thanks for that bit of info..i had missed that at the time... |
Monkie |
Jul-28-05 04:59 AM |
#11 |
| -
I thought it was really strange that |
zidzi |
Jul-27-05 10:42 PM |
#2 |
| -
guilty of running while brown? |
truthisfreedom |
Jul-27-05 10:49 PM |
#3 |
| -
Stats covering deaths with or after contact with Police 2003-2004 |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 07:05 AM |
#39 |
| -
Enviable even-handedness, much better than the US record (nt) |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 07:36 AM |
#54 |
| -
& only one was shot n/t |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 08:02 AM |
#62 |
| -
how is that even handed? |
tk2kewl |
Jul-28-05 11:32 AM |
#97 |
| -
The sample is, thankfully, very small |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 11:42 AM |
#99 |
| -
Good data |
jwcomer |
Jul-28-05 11:16 AM |
#95 |
| -
I think we've seen the end of the war on terror |
Erika |
Jul-27-05 10:57 PM |
#4 |
| -
You're very optimistic |
PunkPop |
Jul-28-05 08:33 AM |
#66 |
| -
Not strange for a Brazilian (Equator) to wear a coat in London |
osaMABUSh |
Jul-27-05 11:01 PM |
#5 |
| -
The bobbies lost their credibility when they let him get on a bus |
soothsayer |
Jul-28-05 01:05 AM |
#6 |
| -
not bobbies, me thinks |
rman |
Jul-28-05 05:21 AM |
#14 |
| -
Indeed. The bus thing is just perplexing. |
Zhade |
Jul-28-05 08:18 PM |
#137 |
| -
It's been said they wanted to see who he might lead them to |
lockdown |
Jul-28-05 10:58 PM |
#148 |
| -
So much effort to dramatize the poor police victims in this, . . . |
The Stranger |
Jul-29-05 08:16 AM |
#180 |
| -
Yes of course |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 10:42 AM |
#191 |
| -
Pardon me? Someone has just probably committed murder, |
The Stranger |
Jul-29-05 11:00 AM |
#195 |
| -
Key word - capacity? |
lockdown |
Jul-29-05 01:31 PM |
#199 |
| -
Inexcuseable brutal destruction of this man's life. |
Judi Lynn |
Jul-28-05 02:03 AM |
#7 |
| -
Your last line is so poignant. eom |
alarcojon |
Jul-28-05 08:52 AM |
#70 |
| -
"drooling idiots in the States " |
Sterling |
Jul-28-05 10:57 AM |
#93 |
| -
"drooling bu$hites" stiring shit. (fuk em) |
sattahipdeep |
Jul-28-05 11:16 AM |
#94 |
| -
Not all, no. |
redqueen |
Jul-28-05 12:48 PM |
#108 |
| -
Just wanted to thank you personally for the insult. |
redqueen |
Jul-28-05 12:49 PM |
#109 |
| -
Kick! |
Judi Lynn |
Jul-28-05 03:13 AM |
#8 |
| -
Kicked & nominated. |
I Have A Dream |
Jul-28-05 04:39 AM |
#9 |
| -
I'm more speechless every day over this ... |
ngGale |
Jul-28-05 04:42 AM |
#10 |
| -
My exact thought, too. n/t |
Hepburn |
Jul-28-05 07:08 AM |
#42 |
| -
Travel card |
magellan |
Jul-28-05 05:06 AM |
#12 |
| -
Yes |
Frederik |
Jul-28-05 06:18 AM |
#23 |
| -
Thanks for the answers, guys. (nt) |
magellan |
Jul-28-05 06:53 PM |
#128 |
| -
Depends |
Nihil |
Jul-28-05 06:33 AM |
#25 |
| -
Is that crickets I hear? |
Puglover |
Jul-28-05 05:07 AM |
#13 |
| -
I'll say it then |
oscarmitre |
Jul-28-05 05:29 AM |
#16 |
| -
Hwo can you say this? |
mogster |
Jul-28-05 05:42 AM |
#18 |
| -
IMHO, the worst part of this nightmarish story is the fact that they.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-28-05 07:33 AM |
#52 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-28-05 07:50 AM |
#57 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-28-05 07:52 AM |
#58 |
| -
Excellent post MLD |
LibertyorDeath |
Jul-28-05 01:57 PM |
#114 |
| -
Let's pretend he was indeed a terrorist ready to blow himself |
YapiYapo |
Jul-29-05 09:36 AM |
#182 |
| -
Our "rush to judgement" |
Kelvin Mace |
Jul-28-05 10:15 AM |
#86 |
| -
No this place took the pieces of news |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 06:55 AM |
#163 |
| -
It is undeniable that the police had shoot-to-kill orders and... |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-29-05 06:58 AM |
#164 |
| -
Shooting to kill needs no warning |
YapiYapo |
Jul-29-05 10:00 AM |
#185 |
| -
It is undeniable? You're kidding right? |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 10:39 AM |
#190 |
| -
Amusing how you are complaining about attitudes at DU |
MadHound |
Jul-28-05 06:00 AM |
#19 |
| -
Thanks buddy - you said that better than I ever could |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jul-28-05 06:05 AM |
#21 |
| -
Well said....thanks! |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-28-05 07:21 AM |
#47 |
| -
Madhound.... |
William Bloode |
Jul-28-05 03:09 PM |
#122 |
| -
Thank you for your service in the thin blue line |
MadHound |
Jul-28-05 03:40 PM |
#123 |
| -
Man do i understand. |
William Bloode |
Jul-28-05 06:42 PM |
#127 |
| -
Thanks so much for your posts, William! |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 07:14 PM |
#130 |
| -
You are welcome Kareina. |
William Bloode |
Jul-28-05 08:01 PM |
#135 |
| -
Something about |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 08:39 PM |
#141 |
| -
Excellent, excellent post. |
Zhade |
Jul-28-05 08:23 PM |
#138 |
| -
Great post. |
Sterling |
Jul-28-05 11:00 PM |
#149 |
| -
Comparing attitudes of posters on a discussion forum |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:00 AM |
#165 |
| -
Their minds were clouded by the fog of war, no doubt. |
Judi Lynn |
Jul-29-05 07:09 AM |
#168 |
| -
What does that mean? |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 10:18 AM |
#186 |
| -
Sorry friend, but that doesn't fly |
MadHound |
Jul-29-05 09:48 AM |
#184 |
| -
The "Rush to Judgment" was in believing the police justification |
Divernan |
Jul-28-05 06:30 AM |
#24 |
| -
I have never stated what I believe |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:08 AM |
#167 |
| -
"The rule of law is still in place in the UK"?? Does your definition.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-28-05 07:19 AM |
#46 |
| -
I find your post without logic. |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:11 AM |
#169 |
| -
"Rush to judgment" |
qanda |
Jul-28-05 08:39 AM |
#67 |
| -
Ironic? |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:14 AM |
#171 |
| -
I am less concerned |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 08:46 AM |
#68 |
| -
That "presumption of innocence" was SADLY missing at the tubeway.... |
dicksteele |
Jul-28-05 09:12 AM |
#74 |
| -
Why do you assume I'm not? n/t |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:15 AM |
#172 |
| -
Unfortunately, liberals are also taking a "with us or against us" attitude |
redqueen |
Jul-28-05 12:50 PM |
#110 |
| -
Does that mean I have to suspend my own |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:16 AM |
#173 |
| -
Of course not! It only means you shouldn't insult anyone who disagrees. |
redqueen |
Jul-29-05 09:37 AM |
#183 |
| -
LMFAO!! |
LibertyorDeath |
Jul-28-05 01:49 PM |
#113 |
| -
Apart from obvious mockery do you have a point? |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:16 AM |
#174 |
| -
OK, I'll bite.......... |
Pert_UK |
Jul-28-05 06:39 AM |
#27 |
| -
Well... |
mogster |
Jul-28-05 06:54 AM |
#31 |
| -
Pert |
Puglover |
Jul-28-05 06:54 AM |
#32 |
| -
Cheers fella...I genuinely appreciate your comments.... |
Pert_UK |
Jul-28-05 06:58 AM |
#34 |
| -
I do understand your reactions, Pert_UK |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 06:55 AM |
#33 |
| -
I agree with you, but........ |
Pert_UK |
Jul-28-05 06:59 AM |
#35 |
| -
Pert help me out. |
Puglover |
Jul-28-05 07:05 AM |
#40 |
| -
Here you go.... |
Pert_UK |
Jul-28-05 07:24 AM |
#48 |
| -
Pert |
Puglover |
Jul-28-05 07:39 AM |
#55 |
| -
And as the Mod mentions..... |
Pert_UK |
Jul-28-05 09:36 AM |
#77 |
| -
I agree that tarring |
Kelvin Mace |
Jul-28-05 10:35 AM |
#91 |
| -
Hi Pert! |
barb162 |
Jul-28-05 02:45 PM |
#120 |
| -
Thank you very kindly, ma'am....(tips hat, rides off into sunset) |
Pert_UK |
Jul-29-05 03:33 AM |
#155 |
| -
FYI |
Moderator |
Jul-28-05 08:01 AM |
#61 |
| -
Thanks, and thanks for the Mods' work in keeping the worst under... |
Pert_UK |
Jul-28-05 09:37 AM |
#78 |
| -
The Amis have their own issues |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 07:27 AM |
#50 |
| -
It's interesting that the people making the comment that some DU.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-28-05 07:58 AM |
#60 |
| -
I think... |
sendero |
Jul-28-05 07:03 AM |
#37 |
| -
The police are trying to have it both ways, and that's simply not on |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 07:06 AM |
#41 |
| -
WHY did they follow him? |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 10:41 AM |
#92 |
| -
I agree it is grossly unfair to criticize wholesale the UK police force |
Divernan |
Jul-28-05 07:10 AM |
#43 |
| -
Ironic that Tony Blair refused to form a 9-11 style commission |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-28-05 07:12 AM |
#44 |
| -
right after he gave the nonsensical "went to sleep after noyn-eleven's |
MisterP |
Jul-28-05 02:00 PM |
#115 |
| -
There is a man investigating and I saw an interview |
barb162 |
Jul-28-05 02:29 PM |
#117 |
| -
Very few DU posters, if any, reacted in the manner you describe..... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-28-05 07:50 AM |
#56 |
| -
Thanks for taking the time. |
redqueen |
Jul-28-05 12:54 PM |
#111 |
| -
Independent reports... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jul-29-05 03:07 AM |
#154 |
| -
Probably pissed off at banging their heads against the wall |
Nihil |
Jul-28-05 06:39 AM |
#28 |
| -
Nihil |
Puglover |
Jul-28-05 07:02 AM |
#36 |
| -
Thanks Jeff |
Nihil |
Jul-28-05 07:24 AM |
#49 |
| -
Legal resident, |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 05:22 AM |
#15 |
| -
That isn't a question it's an assumption |
oscarmitre |
Jul-28-05 05:37 AM |
#17 |
| -
Don't know why you're arguing with the word choice |
magellan |
Jul-28-05 06:04 AM |
#20 |
| -
I'm not going to play semantics |
oscarmitre |
Jul-28-05 06:13 AM |
#22 |
| -
Quoting the definition from a dictionary is NOT playing semantics. |
Divernan |
Jul-28-05 06:36 AM |
#26 |
| -
Perhaps you could use the word "killed" |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 07:03 AM |
#38 |
| -
"Executed" is more appropriate: the cop performed the act ex-officio |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 07:34 AM |
#53 |
| -
Right let's try this |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 07:56 AM |
#59 |
| -
Or this |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 08:26 AM |
#64 |
| -
But he wasn't killed as a punishment. |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 08:32 AM |
#65 |
| -
I'm sure the cop who did it thought (or will claim) it was a punishment! |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 09:03 AM |
#71 |
| -
Why would he claim it to be a punishment? |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 09:11 AM |
#73 |
| -
Because unless the victim is construed to have committed an offence |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 09:30 AM |
#76 |
| -
Once again - our police do not hand out punishments |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 09:40 AM |
#79 |
| -
What on earth do you call shooting someone dead, then??? |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 10:03 AM |
#83 |
| -
This was not a punishment! |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 10:15 AM |
#87 |
| -
We live in different worlds, evidently. (nt) |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 10:18 AM |
#88 |
| -
Using your own example... |
jsamuel |
Jul-28-05 11:21 AM |
#96 |
| -
Not necessarily |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 11:35 AM |
#98 |
| -
There was no suicide belt and the police knew it |
Mairead |
Jul-28-05 12:05 PM |
#101 |
| -
And from where is your expertise and knowledge drawn? |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 01:43 AM |
#153 |
| -
Rather than make yourself seem puerile by empty bluster and namecalling |
Mairead |
Jul-29-05 05:38 AM |
#156 |
| -
Sorry I just can't take that seriously. |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 05:54 AM |
#157 |
| -
When you've got an authoritative statement from the police saying |
Mairead |
Jul-29-05 08:15 AM |
#179 |
| -
Point taken |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 10:36 AM |
#189 |
| -
Actually there is at least one witness who said that he was on the ground |
jsamuel |
Jul-28-05 12:08 PM |
#102 |
| -
Someone made a statement to the media that hes being held down |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 12:36 PM |
#104 |
| -
"he tried to take a hostage." |
Sterling |
Jul-28-05 11:20 PM |
#151 |
| -
the endless stream of bullshit |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-29-05 06:11 AM |
#158 |
| -
On WHAT BASIS |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 12:17 PM |
#103 |
| -
Why haven't they followed EVERYONE or ANYONE that had these same requir. |
jsamuel |
Jul-28-05 12:40 PM |
#105 |
| -
Yeah, Karenina, that's one of the things that gets me, too. If they |
Peace Patriot |
Jul-28-05 02:02 PM |
#116 |
| -
Psssssttt.... PP |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 07:25 PM |
#132 |
| -
Wow, I missed that they were ON the bus WITH him. |
Zhade |
Jul-28-05 08:59 PM |
#144 |
| -
or they just screwed up |
alarcojon |
Jul-29-05 11:29 AM |
#196 |
| -
Being handcuffed doesn't end your life. |
Zhade |
Jul-28-05 08:56 PM |
#143 |
| -
Wrong |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 01:31 AM |
#152 |
| -
and yet |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-29-05 06:14 AM |
#159 |
| -
This may interest you... |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 06:44 AM |
#29 |
| -
Yes it does interest me. |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 06:49 AM |
#162 |
| -
No reason to be petulant |
magellan |
Jul-28-05 06:52 AM |
#30 |
| -
kick |
marekjed |
Jul-28-05 07:15 AM |
#45 |
| -
Sometimes it doesn't feel good to have your suspicions verified. eom |
Concerned GA Voter |
Jul-28-05 07:28 AM |
#51 |
| -
Blair ordered an Arab corpse. He had all the evidence to convict this |
dArKeR |
Jul-28-05 08:18 AM |
#63 |
| -
It's certainly possible n/t |
sattahipdeep |
Jul-28-05 10:05 AM |
#84 |
| -
still waiting to hear why no police already at subway station |
Romulus |
Jul-28-05 08:51 AM |
#69 |
| -
Must have known something? |
sattahipdeep |
Jul-28-05 09:57 AM |
#82 |
| -
If they had Osama bin Laden pinned down and helpless, I would STILL |
AzDar |
Jul-28-05 09:05 AM |
#72 |
| -
The police should produce the jacket |
daleo |
Jul-28-05 09:15 AM |
#75 |
| -
Must be similar to executions in Brazil... |
Canadian_moderate |
Jul-28-05 09:45 AM |
#80 |
| -
What shocked many Londoners.... |
sattahipdeep |
Jul-28-05 09:51 AM |
#81 |
| -
Besides being brown |
tuckessee |
Jul-28-05 10:14 AM |
#85 |
| -
Or who did he know or who knew him |
sattahipdeep |
Jul-28-05 10:31 AM |
#90 |
| -
Just one more lie by the British Police... |
RetroLounge |
Jul-28-05 10:22 AM |
#89 |
| -
Don't confuse media reports with police statements |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 11:44 AM |
#100 |
| -
The media is usually relying on the police to give them information to.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-28-05 12:41 PM |
#106 |
| -
They may rely on individual policemen, |
Guy_Montag |
Jul-28-05 12:47 PM |
#107 |
| -
I'm so f*ing mad! |
melissinha |
Jul-28-05 01:16 PM |
#112 |
| -
I understand your anger and frustration |
Canadian_moderate |
Jul-28-05 02:36 PM |
#118 |
| -
yeah |
melissinha |
Jul-28-05 03:01 PM |
#121 |
| -
The police tactics were wrong... |
Canadian_moderate |
Jul-28-05 03:41 PM |
#124 |
| -
War on Terra ovah (it's official). Haven't you heard?? |
downstairsparts |
Jul-29-05 07:13 AM |
#170 |
| -
"global struggle against violent extremism" = GSAVE |
daleo |
Jul-29-05 01:07 PM |
#198 |
| -
RIP Jean Charles |
alarcojon |
Jul-28-05 08:38 PM |
#140 |
| -
Light or heavy jacket? |
barb162 |
Jul-28-05 02:37 PM |
#119 |
| -
As the pile of official bullshit mounts higher and higher |
endarkenment |
Jul-28-05 05:21 PM |
#125 |
| -
Come on then mate, |
Tom Bombadil |
Jul-28-05 05:52 PM |
#126 |
| -
I'd implement "shoot first, ask questions later", without telling citizens, |
rman |
Jul-28-05 09:09 PM |
#145 |
| -
What policy would you introduce |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 09:12 PM |
#146 |
| -
Beeeeeeeeep! |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 07:05 PM |
#129 |
| -
What?? |
Tom Bombadil |
Jul-28-05 07:30 PM |
#133 |
| -
Q: What was "suspicious"? A: His skin color and his rushing to a train. |
David Zephyr |
Jul-28-05 07:16 PM |
#131 |
| -
A reminder about that case |
alarcojon |
Jul-28-05 08:33 PM |
#139 |
| -
Yo, Davey-dah |
Karenina |
Jul-28-05 09:24 PM |
#147 |
| -
And you missed |
barb162 |
Jul-28-05 11:18 PM |
#150 |
| -
a combination of two things |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-29-05 06:15 AM |
#160 |
| -
Let me restate my position. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-28-05 07:30 PM |
#134 |
| -
Show some evidence that those policies are in place |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:33 AM |
#175 |
| -
Just crawl out of a hole? |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-29-05 08:10 AM |
#177 |
| -
ah heck I couldn't wait |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-29-05 08:14 AM |
#178 |
| -
Instead of telling me to google |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 10:32 AM |
#188 |
| -
I did |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-29-05 10:50 AM |
#192 |
| -
You mean, lied to us AGAIN. |
Zhade |
Jul-28-05 08:14 PM |
#136 |
| -
i just wish the real story would come out |
Blue_Tires |
Jul-28-05 08:52 PM |
#142 |
| -
Blair has refused to have a commission of inquiry |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-29-05 06:32 AM |
#161 |
| -
of course there is video --- but that would reveal the LIES |
cthrumatrix |
Jul-29-05 07:04 AM |
#166 |
| -
What I do know is that an innocent man lost his life |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 07:56 AM |
#176 |
| -
The team member who pulled the trigger |
Karenina |
Jul-29-05 08:42 AM |
#181 |
| -
I don't have to ask myself these questions Karenina |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 10:27 AM |
#187 |
| -
go for option (a) |
Warren Stupidity |
Jul-29-05 10:52 AM |
#193 |
| -
Makes sense |
oscarmitre |
Jul-29-05 10:57 AM |
#194 |
| -
If I understand "fitted up" properly |
Karenina |
Jul-29-05 11:58 AM |
#197 |
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