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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 06:36 AM
Response to Reply #111
119. rush to judgment
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 06:57 AM by Warren Stupidity
It is ironic that you are calling me asinine, sophomoric and undemocratic because I have condemned others on DU because they are not prepared to 'rush to judgment' in the execution of Mr. Menezes, as it is simply not disputed that the police 'rushed to judgment' over Mr. Menezes with brutal and fatal results.

I have not condemned DU'ers who are withholding their opinion on this matter, I am condemning DU'ers that are supporting the summary execution of Mr. Menezes. However, for the sake of honest rational discussion, lets consider the rush to judgment aspect.

I'm rather curious what set of facts you are awaiting that will allow you to make an un-rushed judgment.

Here is what is not under dispute.
1) Mr. Menezes was not connected in any way to any terrorists, or terrorist organizations: he was an innocent person.

2) Mr. Menezes was deliberately executed by a specially trained team of undercover police officers while he was under their control, in fact while he was pinned down on the floor.

I have no problem reaching a rational and reasonable judgment of this incident based on the facts that are not in dispute. This was an outrage. A civilized democratic society does not allow its law enforcement officers to go around deliberately executing suspects. The actions of the police in London were the actions of a police state and I unequivocally condemn them.

I find it puzzling that you and some few others on DU do not condemn what was done. Further, I find it beyond puzzling, in fact I find it outrageous, that this attitude goes beyond 'not condemn' to 'support' for the summary execution of suspects by the police. I actually do not know where you stand on this, if you have crossed the line from 'don't know' to 'support'.
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  -CNN: Police: Man shot in subway a Brazilian not tied to bombings Beam Me Up  Jul-24-05 02:49 AM   #0 
  - Glad he had a trial  saigon68   Jul-24-05 02:58 AM   #1 
  - Exactly  Erika   Jul-24-05 03:01 AM   #2 
  - Didn't stop, hurdled the security barriers, ran onto an underground train  Benbow   Jul-24-05 04:27 AM   #5 
     - He was being chased by plain clothes men with guns.  LivingInTheBubble   Jul-24-05 07:49 AM   #45 
     - no with just guns,  djg21   Jul-24-05 08:05 AM   #53 
        - Interesting that his family states that he wasn't the type of person...  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-24-05 12:14 PM   #84 
        - Smell test?  djg21   Jul-24-05 06:19 PM   #104 
           - The police killed an innocent man in cold blood. Do you support that?  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-25-05 06:12 PM   #127 
           - To attempt to compare the Brazilian to John Wayne Gacy is....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-25-05 06:37 PM   #132 
              - Okee Dokee!  djg21   Jul-25-05 08:14 PM   #133 
        - But that's exactly what got him killed!  jwcomer   Jul-24-05 01:33 PM   #92 
           - Because it is their job!  djg21   Jul-24-05 06:09 PM   #101 
              - that's not good enough  jwcomer   Jul-24-05 09:07 PM   #112 
                 - Hindsight is 20/20.  djg21   Jul-24-05 09:31 PM   #113 
                    - You owe me an apololgy.  jwcomer   Jul-25-05 10:50 AM   #124 
                       - I was responding to your earlier posts.  djg21   Jul-25-05 03:17 PM   #125 
                          - Be more specific.  jwcomer   Jul-25-05 05:36 PM   #126 
     - How would he know the people chasing him were policemen?  lizzy   Jul-24-05 08:59 AM   #66 
  - He had a choice, my sarcastic friend  Benbow   Jul-24-05 04:26 AM   #3 
     - next time you're scared out of your mind being chased by people who aren't  truthisfreedom   Jul-24-05 04:27 AM   #4 
     - They were carrying automatic weapons, and in the UK most people don't have  Benbow   Jul-24-05 04:28 AM   #6 
        - they had him incapacitated and still shot him in the head  still_one   Jul-24-05 04:37 AM   #8 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-05 05:04 AM   #12 
           - This is from AP  still_one   Jul-24-05 05:31 AM   #15 
           - I saw the photo - he didn't even have a thick jacket on  LostinVA   Jul-24-05 06:13 AM   #23 
              - true, but I think the British will NOT cover this up  still_one   Jul-24-05 06:36 AM   #27 
              - The Brits have a very long history of covering up incidents....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-24-05 12:16 PM   #85 
                 - that surprises me, because the BBC appears to be pretty critical  still_one   Jul-24-05 02:10 PM   #95 
              - Photo? I don't think any photo has been released at all  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-24-05 07:15 AM   #40 
              - Okay, I confused the photo...  LostinVA   Jul-24-05 08:53 AM   #63 
              - There is a photo in the CNN article liked from the OP.  Beam Me Up   Jul-24-05 11:07 AM   #72 
              - do you have a link for the photo?  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 08:30 AM   #59 
                 - It was on last night  LostinVA   Jul-24-05 08:52 AM   #62 
                    - Self-delete  LostinVA   Jul-24-05 08:55 AM   #64 
                    - Recheck that picture.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 08:57 AM   #65 
           - This from MercuryNews.....  jmc777   Jul-24-05 06:47 AM   #31 
           - I suggest you take your own advise.  TankLV   Jul-24-05 11:27 AM   #76 
           - How do you know that he was "subdued."  djg21   Jul-24-05 05:43 PM   #100 
              - You are really grasping for straws, aren't you?!  TankLV   Jul-25-05 11:11 PM   #135 
           - Adios  saigon68   Jul-25-05 01:33 AM   #114 
        - Which would make me assume even more of the worse that the men  TankLV   Jul-24-05 11:22 AM   #74 
     - really  still_one   Jul-24-05 04:30 AM   #7 
     - No, before that. When told to stop, he could have stopped.  Benbow   Jul-24-05 05:05 AM   #14 
        - You watch, unlike the U.S. the Brits will NOT white wash this  still_one   Jul-24-05 05:41 AM   #17 
        - I course don't know what an investigation to show, but I will bet that  MSgt213   Jul-24-05 06:14 AM   #24 
        - I agree  still_one   Jul-24-05 06:31 AM   #25 
           - You also need leaders who are going to think rationally. One of the  MSgt213   Jul-24-05 06:44 AM   #30 
              - yup  still_one   Jul-24-05 06:48 AM   #32 
        - Baloney. The Brits have a long history of covering up things....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-24-05 12:22 PM   #87 
        - then why do we know what we know now?  still_one   Jul-24-05 02:11 PM   #97 
           - Because there were too many eyewitnesses to eliminate all at once....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-25-05 06:17 PM   #128 
              - Of course it does..  Tom Bombadil   Jul-25-05 09:00 PM   #134 
        - In British english, the word for whitewash is Hutton!  Henny Penny   Jul-25-05 05:01 AM   #117 
        - If he was as suspicious as they say, then they would have killed him anywa  confludemocrat   Jul-24-05 07:36 AM   #43 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-05 07:50 AM   #46 
        - but benbow  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 08:33 AM   #60 
        - here you go with the "execute" crap all over again.  djg21   Jul-24-05 06:12 PM   #102 
        - He was BRAZILIAN - they speak PORTUGUESE, not english.  TankLV   Jul-24-05 11:29 AM   #77 
           - His cousin said that he spoke good English....  jmc777   Jul-24-05 11:37 AM   #78 
     - The police had a choice too.  sattahipdeep   Jul-24-05 11:38 AM   #79 
  - pic from BBC  wakeme2008   Jul-24-05 04:43 AM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-05 05:01 AM   #10 
     - Welcome to DU!  Swamp Rat   Jul-24-05 05:37 AM   #16 
     - you have a lot of hostility, and absolutely no sympathy do you  still_one   Jul-24-05 05:42 AM   #18 
     - I don't think "hostility" is the word...  theHandpuppet   Jul-24-05 06:49 AM   #34 
        - I hear ya They are going through what many in the U.S. did  still_one   Jul-24-05 06:54 AM   #35 
           - "Paranoia" doesn't quite fit, either  theHandpuppet   Jul-24-05 06:56 AM   #37 
              - a touch of prejudice perhaps  still_one   Jul-24-05 10:40 AM   #71 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-05 06:49 AM   #33 
     - Fairly high, I'd think  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-24-05 07:20 AM   #41 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-05 07:39 AM   #44 
  - A tragedy, but I'll defend our cops on this one.  rjbcar27   Jul-24-05 05:01 AM   #11 
  - Persackly  Benbow   Jul-24-05 05:05 AM   #13 
  - they did such a good job in Norhern Ireland  still_one   Jul-24-05 05:43 AM   #19 
     - In fact, the NeoCons learned quite a bit from the Brits...  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-24-05 12:30 PM   #88 
  - Yep, I'm with you there.  Donkeyboy75   Jul-24-05 05:53 AM   #20 
  - Shoot him is one thing  still_one   Jul-24-05 06:05 AM   #22 
  - Not really comparable  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-24-05 07:23 AM   #42 
     - yup, I was referring to the first incident  still_one   Jul-24-05 02:07 PM   #94 
  - acting how?  LivingInTheBubble   Jul-24-05 07:53 AM   #48 
     - Did he jump the turnstiles on the way to work everyday?  Donkeyboy75   Jul-24-05 03:15 PM   #99 
        - I've seen people jump the turnstiles... particularly when they are  Henny Penny   Jul-25-05 04:46 AM   #115 
           - Of course you're right.  Donkeyboy75   Jul-25-05 08:04 AM   #121 
              - Many of us that are being critical of the way this incident was handled...  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-25-05 06:26 PM   #129 
  - Well Said  demobrit   Jul-24-05 05:56 AM   #21 
  - Well said, thank you!  cheeseit   Jul-24-05 06:32 AM   #26 
  - so do you feel safer since the U.S. decided to go into Iraq?  still_one   Jul-24-05 06:42 AM   #29 
     - no  cheeseit   Jul-24-05 06:59 AM   #38 
        - you and I are definitely on the same page there  still_one   Jul-24-05 02:01 PM   #93 
  - If he was a suspected "suicide bomber".....  jmc777   Jul-24-05 06:37 AM   #28 
  - It is puzzling - why didn't they stop the bus?  Matilda   Jul-24-05 06:56 AM   #36 
  - Because the only thing they had on this guy is that  lizzy   Jul-24-05 08:04 AM   #52 
  - No way this wasn't an attrocity. Anything unusual, you're dead  confludemocrat   Jul-24-05 07:58 AM   #50 
  - I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it was your dad. n/t  rooboy   Jul-24-05 07:06 AM   #39 
  - What?  LivingInTheBubble   Jul-24-05 07:52 AM   #47 
  - Exactly. What if he was a suicide bomber?  lizzy   Jul-24-05 07:57 AM   #49 
  - He wasn't a bomber. Based on your logic, the police can  lizzy   Jul-24-05 08:00 AM   #51 
  - so then  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 08:41 AM   #61 
  - Of course not . . .  djg21   Jul-24-05 06:14 PM   #103 
  - If by "our cops" you mean the guys doing the killing, then I would  Henny Penny   Jul-25-05 04:56 AM   #116 
  - Here's a photo of the undercover officers.....  jmc777   Jul-24-05 08:05 AM   #54 
  - If they are freaking carrying these weapons in the open, why  lizzy   Jul-24-05 08:10 AM   #55 
  - The guys in the photos were probably back-up....  jmc777   Jul-24-05 08:15 AM   #56 
  - I rather doubt that weapon is openly carried  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 09:00 AM   #67 
     - When you have people in plain clothes running after you  lizzy   Jul-24-05 09:02 AM   #68 
        - oh I agree completely  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 09:06 AM   #69 
           - It disgusts me too  fujiyama   Jul-24-05 02:11 PM   #96 
              - actually if they are British they are going throught the same  still_one   Jul-24-05 02:15 PM   #98 
  - Holy Sh*t! If guys like this w/ guns like that were running after me, I'd  Pachamama   Jul-24-05 10:30 AM   #70 
  - Wrong thread  NNN0LHI   Jul-24-05 08:17 AM   #57 
  - I am sorry, I fail to see what do babies in an incubators have  lizzy   Jul-24-05 08:20 AM   #58 
  - INNOCENT...use the word, "innocent". This "not connected" moniker is bull  AngryWhiteLiberal   Jul-24-05 11:15 AM   #73 
  - no he wasn't innocent  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 11:23 AM   #75 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-05 12:10 PM   #81 
        - freeper moles I understand  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 12:12 PM   #82 
           - To quote Mr. Pitt:  djg21   Jul-24-05 06:25 PM   #105 
              - No clue about what exactly?  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 06:42 PM   #106 
                 - It's self evident from your posts.  djg21   Jul-24-05 08:16 PM   #107 
                    - ok got it  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 08:28 PM   #108 
                       - you refuse to explain yourself at all  djg21   Jul-24-05 08:36 PM   #109 
                          - so other than to attack me personally  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 08:39 PM   #110 
                             - We've been through this before.  djg21   Jul-24-05 09:02 PM   #111 
                                - rush to judgment  Warren Stupidity   Jul-25-05 06:36 AM   #119 
                                - Yes, indeed....we all remember your posts on this subject....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-25-05 06:36 PM   #131 
  - At least the UK cops ADMIT the mistake. That takes guts.  mainer   Jul-24-05 12:08 PM   #80 
  - Admit mistake BUT DO NOT CHANGE POLICY that led to the tragedy.  AngryWhiteLiberal   Jul-24-05 12:13 PM   #83 
  - Not only they don't want to change this policy, they  lizzy   Jul-24-05 01:20 PM   #91 
  - Enough is enough.  kaya33   Jul-25-05 08:13 AM   #122 
  - not really  Warren Stupidity   Jul-24-05 12:17 PM   #86 
  - it is amazing what comes out when you still have a free press  still_one   Jul-24-05 01:02 PM   #89 
  - Gee, the guy is dead. Everybody knows the police killed him.  lizzy   Jul-24-05 01:18 PM   #90 
  - BREAKING ON BBC - victim's visa had expired.....  Pert_UK   Jul-25-05 06:21 AM   #118 
     - "He was legal"Guardian writers trace the life and last minutes  sattahipdeep   Jul-25-05 07:38 AM   #120 
     - If you were being chased by scruffy looking strangers waving firearms....  Media_Lies_Daily   Jul-25-05 06:30 PM   #130 
     - I Have Known a few people outstaying their visas  Oggy   Jul-25-05 08:14 AM   #123 

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