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96. We couldn't be further apart
First of all, Chirac was only one of the reasons for the UN's refusal to back the U.S. invasion. France was only one of several members on the Security Council opposed to a resolution for war. The Security Council rules required nine members without a veto to support the US proposal. The US at best had only four members in their corner including themselves, among the 5 permanent and 10 non-permanent members. Even if France, China, and Russia had abstained, the U.S. would not have obtained a sufficient vote. Bush in a speech to the nation promised to go back to the Security Council and put the matter to a vote, up or down, but went back on his word because he knew that it would have been a major embarrassment to him. Bush even refused to entertain the idea of setting a further time limit for inspections.

As far as the chemical weapons that were allegedly missing, Iraq was being subjected to new rounds of inspections which failed to reveal anything. In fact, Bush cut short the inspections, which might have settled the issue. Expert weapons inspectors Ritter, Kay, and Duelfer, two of them appointed by Bush himself failed to find anything. In fact, it is now generally acknowledged that the United States destroyed the chemical weapons stockpiled by Saddam. You may want to review the CIA White Paper issued in 1997 entitled "Khamisiyah: An Historical Perspective On Related Intelligence" that finally admitted the clandestine destruction of Iraqi stockpiles of chemical weapons at the giant stockpile at Khamisiyah at the end of the First Gulf War. The U.S. Senate in the mid 1990s tried to subpoena information on the full extent to which the U.S. military had secretly sent in teams of special ops to destroy Saddam's stockpiles (which we had sold to him - see the findings of the Reigle Commission's Report regarding the investigation into Gulf War Sydrome and its origins) and those efforts were impeded. We have yet to obtain the US military's cooperation in securing the complete record of our destruction of Saddam's stockpiles at the end of the First Gulf War while US troops entered Iraqi terrority. Our government didn't want us to know that Saddam no longer possessed his chemical weapons stockpiles, in my opinion.

I hate repeating myself, but Iraq had virtually no military power. It had one-third the military budget of Kuwait. It had lost control of two-thirds of its terrority. It had no air force, no navy, no effective tank corps, and aging and obsolete equipment. It was a secularist society. It was criss-crossed by no-fly zones and subject to constant aerial and satellite surveillance. We are not fighting the fascists in Iraq. Our own military has admitted that only a few hundred in Iraq are foreign fighters. The majority are either secularists, sunnis, or shiia who object to the US occupation of an Arab speaking nation. Killing them is not killing Al Qaeda to any significant extent. In fact, it's only radicalizing the entire region.
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  -Bush Administration Blocking Release of Photos and Video Of Abu Ghraib floda  Jul-22-05 03:41 PM   #0 
  - Fucking cowards!  fooj   Jul-22-05 03:42 PM   #1 
  - The looser Freepers claim it's just panites on their heads  MidwestTransplant   Jul-22-05 04:30 PM   #33 
  - Justice  realms   Jul-24-05 03:27 PM   #111 
  - Figures they'd pull this shit during the Friday-afternoon news dump  Rob H.   Jul-22-05 03:48 PM   #2 
  - Recommend it on yahoo--here's the link.  blonndee   Jul-24-05 01:17 AM   #101 
     - Don't worry It's not going to disappear! Going to freeway blog it!  lonestarnot   Jul-25-05 03:48 AM   #126 
  - Ah, to protect the privacy and dignity of the prisoners, no doubt...  brooklynite   Jul-22-05 03:48 PM   #3 
  - so this extra time was for them to find a susposed legal argument!!!!  rodeodance   Jul-22-05 03:52 PM   #6 
  - That seems to be the official explanation  entanglement   Jul-23-05 08:57 PM   #93 
     - Oh, they are real "official" all right....criminals... nt  caledesi   Jul-25-05 04:07 PM   #128 
  - I'm not sure about the legal gobbledegook...  catnhatnh   Jul-22-05 03:49 PM   #4 
  - Interesting. Is anything known about the judge they are facing?  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-22-05 04:54 PM   #40 
  - Nothing Seems to "Cost" these Evil SOBS anything!  AuntiBush   Jul-22-05 11:27 PM   #79 
     - Really???  catnhatnh   Jul-23-05 12:01 AM   #83 
  - ?HOW are they blocking this court order?! Is it a delay or a block?  Dover   Jul-22-05 03:50 PM   #5 
  - A judge will have to now decide if the WH argument has merit. Delays  rodeodance   Jul-22-05 03:53 PM   #7 
     - Thank you rodeodance  0007   Jul-22-05 04:58 PM   #41 
  - Prisoners get Lemon Chicken for dinner  Karenina   Jul-22-05 03:53 PM   #8 
  - recommended  rodeodance   Jul-22-05 03:54 PM   #9 
  - and two kinds of fruit!  killbotfactory   Jul-22-05 03:55 PM   #13 
  - TWO KINDS OF FRUIT!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-22-05 04:18 PM   #27 
  - And Don't forget Noodles Jefferson!  hootinholler   Jul-22-05 04:21 PM   #29 
  - And rice pilaf  CatWoman   Jul-22-05 05:20 PM   #44 
  - And....whole wheat pita. n/t  jayctravis   Jul-22-05 11:57 PM   #82 
  - and Noodles Jefferson! :) n/t  stevietheman   Jul-24-05 11:06 AM   #103 
  - Don't forget the rice pilaf. nt  caledesi   Jul-25-05 04:08 PM   #129 
  - Thats Our Bush!.....  Robeson   Jul-22-05 03:54 PM   #10 
  - sick bastards  LifeDuringWartime   Jul-22-05 03:55 PM   #11 
  - Too bad Mr. Darby didn't make 20 copies  unrepuke   Jul-22-05 03:55 PM   #12 
  - The public must be informed of what is being done in our name." (maybe)  rodeodance   Jul-22-05 03:57 PM   #14 
  - Do you really think anyone who had pictures of these crimes  Patty Diana   Jul-22-05 07:16 PM   #59 
  - I was wondering about that too. I figured there would be some  caledesi   Jul-25-05 04:09 PM   #130 
  - they must be so bad that the entire lot  BareNakedLiberal   Jul-22-05 09:15 PM   #71 
     - Has Anyone Else Had Problems with AOL "errors" booting you off Internet  Trevelyan   Jul-24-05 12:30 AM   #99 
        - I'm not on AOL Treveylan but  BareNakedLiberal   Jul-24-05 06:07 PM   #118 
        - try this link  orleans   Jul-25-05 01:50 AM   #122 
        - Democrats Against Sadistic Assholes - DASA me, for sure.  Tigress DEM   Jul-25-05 08:40 PM   #131 
  - Which top DEMs have our back on this one?  Dr Fate   Jul-22-05 03:58 PM   #15 
  - Apology not accepted  Jax   Jul-22-05 04:03 PM   #16 
  - I agree but the court that said it should be released  IChing   Jul-22-05 04:08 PM   #18 
     - Good. Which DEMs are saying they agree with the court & their base?  Dr Fate   Jul-22-05 04:15 PM   #24 
        - I guess we will find out with this breaking news n/t  IChing   Jul-22-05 04:18 PM   #28 
  - WHAT WE HAVE BECOME IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD.  Massachusetts   Jul-22-05 04:07 PM   #17 
  - Obstructionists and Freebooters.  Robeson   Jul-22-05 04:10 PM   #21 
  - I believe this will just delay the inevitable...  leftchick   Jul-22-05 04:08 PM   #19 
  - "Men, women and CHILDREN"????  Verve   Jul-22-05 04:08 PM   #20 
  - A Criminal President should not be aloud to stop anything!!!  babsbunny   Jul-22-05 04:12 PM   #22 
  - They are talking about a US soldier videotaping  ECH1969   Jul-22-05 04:15 PM   #25 
  - apparently...  hallc   Jul-22-05 04:17 PM   #26 
  - Wholeheartedly sick!  Verve   Jul-22-05 04:45 PM   #36 
  - That's why they killed Mazen Dana  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-22-05 06:37 PM   #57 
     - Tried Your Link on Dana but got this message:  Trevelyan   Jul-24-05 12:36 AM   #100 
     - Here's your story with a different link....  Judi Lynn   Jul-24-05 11:36 AM   #107 
  - Vhldren as young as 14 where being held in Guatanamo  Kelvin Mace   Jul-22-05 04:43 PM   #35 
  - What a shocker. nt  Inland   Jul-22-05 04:13 PM   #23 
  - the bushjr administration will be known as the COVERUP ADMINISTRATION  truthisfreedom   Jul-22-05 04:23 PM   #30 
  - Good!  Iowa   Jul-22-05 04:25 PM   #31 
  - Impeach the whole stinking lot of them!!!  schrodingers_cat   Jul-22-05 04:27 PM   #32 
  - These photos must be REALLY, REALLY bad  Kelvin Mace   Jul-22-05 04:41 PM   #34 
  - Yes. We can definitely assume that "Hannibal Lechter Goes To Gitmo"  Zorra   Jul-22-05 05:37 PM   #47 
  - These must be the awful ones  Carla in Ca   Jul-22-05 06:47 PM   #58 
  - Come on reich-wingers!  entanglement   Jul-23-05 09:01 PM   #94 
     - You're right. They've only downplayed them from the first.  Judi Lynn   Jul-24-05 11:42 AM   #108 
  - Oh Man do they SUCK!  Up2Late   Jul-22-05 04:52 PM   #37 
  - We need someone to pull a Pentagon Papers caper  Catt03   Jul-22-05 04:53 PM   #38 
  - Typical Jackboot Fascist Bullshit from the Bush Coup de Etat  AngryWhiteLiberal   Jul-22-05 04:54 PM   #39 
  - ACLU press release  Moochy   Jul-22-05 05:08 PM   #42 
  - Ironic Audacity  Buford Pusser   Jul-22-05 05:43 PM   #48 
  - We are in very frightening territory now.  The Night Owl   Jul-22-05 05:17 PM   #43 
  - It took a right turn.  NYC   Jul-22-05 10:09 PM   #76 
     - We turned the corner (n/t)  Pluvious   Jul-23-05 07:30 PM   #86 
  - blocking the release re Abu Ghraib  saskatoon   Jul-22-05 05:26 PM   #45 
  - In the end they will have to surpress all truth to survive.  Burried News   Jul-22-05 05:35 PM   #46 
  - Again I say, "Golly gee, I'm shocked. Shocked I tell ya."  progressoid   Jul-22-05 05:44 PM   #49 
  - son of a bitch  emperor72   Jul-22-05 05:47 PM   #50 
  - Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin.....  bvar22   Jul-22-05 06:14 PM   #51 
  - It is fascism isn't it?  Generator   Jul-22-05 08:13 PM   #60 
     - It is fascism and I note the ADL isn't helping us root it out.  Burried News   Jul-24-05 03:45 PM   #112 
  - Anybody have any idea how long the judge will take to rule?  napi21   Jul-22-05 06:16 PM   #52 
  - I hope the backlash on this will convince them they were really wrong.  Judi Lynn   Jul-22-05 06:19 PM   #53 
  - They must be bad  daleo   Jul-22-05 06:29 PM   #54 
  - The judge needs to give Judith Miller a roommate. Or several. n/t  hvn_nbr_2   Jul-22-05 06:36 PM   #55 
  - Dictatorship in America.  David Zephyr   Jul-22-05 06:37 PM   #56 
  - NYT: Government Defies an Order to Release Iraq Abuse Photos  redacted   Jul-22-05 08:32 PM   #61 
  - Oh, I do love that headline. "Defies an order."  Straight Shooter   Jul-22-05 08:32 PM   #62 
  - self delete  wiggle-room   Jul-22-05 08:33 PM   #67 
  - NYT: Government Defies an Order to Release Iraq Abuse Photos  redacted   Jul-22-05 08:32 PM   #63 
  - ACLU blames gov't for Abu Ghraib delay (says violate Gen. Conv)!!  rodeodance   Jul-22-05 08:32 PM   # 
  - Didn't they play this card already?  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jul-22-05 08:32 PM   #64 
  - Once again, it's not the photos of the shameful treatment of the Iraqis,  Raster   Jul-22-05 08:32 PM   #65 
  - No shame to bushs game.  Old Vet   Jul-22-05 08:32 PM   #66 
  - Kick - this is more important than mars  gulfcoastliberal   Jul-22-05 08:39 PM   #69 
  - Dictatorship starts here.  wiggle-room   Jul-22-05 08:37 PM   #68 
  - Dictatorship began a while ago. This is the great unmasking.  The Night Owl   Jul-22-05 08:43 PM   #70 
     - This is one of the worst administrations  OfireitupO   Jul-24-05 04:41 PM   #114 
  - Did you really think these miserable fuckers would allow these  unhappycamper   Jul-22-05 09:37 PM   #72 
  - NYT: Government Defies an Order to Release Iraq Abuse Photos  Pirate Smile   Jul-22-05 10:06 PM   #73 
  - Yeah? And who's gonna make 'em, I wonder  Eloriel   Jul-22-05 10:06 PM   #74 
  - Big Shock there  Lord_StarFyre   Jul-22-05 10:06 PM   #75 
  - If Bush gets away with this... n/t  daleo   Jul-22-05 10:12 PM   #77 
  - Showing evidence their rights were violated violates their rights?  uppityperson   Jul-22-05 11:03 PM   #78 
  - Big mistake not to release the documents.  lumpy   Jul-22-05 11:40 PM   #80 
  - They want to protect whom?  jayctravis   Jul-22-05 11:56 PM   #81 
  - OK let's approach this form the legal standpoint....  catnhatnh   Jul-23-05 12:45 AM   #84 
  - Since they've already released many photos - why ask for an exception?  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-23-05 12:58 AM   #85 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-05 07:40 PM   #88 
     - I appreciate the concern over the soldiers dying in Iraq  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-23-05 07:58 PM   #89 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-05 08:17 PM   #90 
        - If the photos "don't mean a god damned thing" then why not release them?  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-23-05 08:45 PM   #92 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-05 09:39 PM   #95 
              - We couldn't be further apart  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-23-05 10:14 PM   #96 
              - aint_no_life_ nowhere, I agree with you.  Theduckno2   Jul-23-05 11:13 PM   #97 
              - You are disgusting!  Stand and Fight   Jul-24-05 05:07 AM   #102 
        - kick  SlavesandBulldozers   Jul-24-05 11:14 AM   #104 
  - Newspeak by Our Leader...  Pluvious   Jul-23-05 07:32 PM   #87 
  - It's a crime to cover up a crime......criminals  spanone   Jul-23-05 08:19 PM   #91 
  - CCR-NY has been great. They tried to get the German Prosecutor  Trevelyan   Jul-24-05 12:05 AM   #98 
  - Is it odd that they haven't already been leaked?  jeffreyi   Jul-24-05 11:26 AM   #105 
  - kicking again  SlavesandBulldozers   Jul-24-05 11:30 AM   #106 
  - Has anyone heard mention of this anywhere in American media???  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-24-05 11:51 AM   #109 
  - I haven't either. Would it do any good to start calling and emailing? nt  blonndee   Jul-24-05 02:35 PM   #110 
  - kicking again  SlavesandBulldozers   Jul-24-05 04:28 PM   #113 
  - They can't hide it forever...  liberaliraqvet26   Jul-24-05 05:14 PM   #115 
  - How much more do they need to hide from us?  sakabatou   Jul-24-05 05:25 PM   #116 
  - Hey, Where's Natlie Holloway?  Barkley   Jul-24-05 05:47 PM   #117 
  - Karl Rove is hiding her  liberaliraqvet26   Jul-25-05 03:40 AM   #124 
  - "protect the physical safety of individuals"? What about Plame?  KBlagburn   Jul-24-05 08:57 PM   #119 
  - They cant handle any more bad pr right now.  McCamy Taylor   Jul-24-05 11:13 PM   #120 
  - Kick  Stand and Fight   Jul-25-05 01:21 AM   #121 
  - Just do it!  architect359   Jul-25-05 01:58 AM   #123 
  - king george rules over his dominion with an iron fist.  truthisfreedom   Jul-25-05 03:43 AM   #125 
  - pictures  BonnieJW   Jul-25-05 11:10 AM   #127 
 

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