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AlwaysQuestion Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:36 PM
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130. It is a process of conditioning
I think you're missing the point. It is not that the current technology Disney is using per se is harmful to the individual. It's the insididious process. Get people used to having their fingers scanned unquestioningly. Why already, you among others seem to think it's a perfectly acceptable practice. Increase the number of places this current apparently innocuous technology is used. Then begin to introduce technology that requires a scan which gives far more intrusive information. The process I refer to is conditioning. I am particularly surprised that anyone on this board would give this Disney initiative anything but short shrift.
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  -Finger Scanning At Disney Parks Causes Concern cyberpj  Jul-16-05 12:41 PM   #0 
  - another reason  shanti   Jul-16-05 12:42 PM   #1 
  - Another reason to avoid Disneyland. eom  tsuki   Jul-16-05 12:43 PM   #2 
  - This is not at DisneyLand at this time...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 08:52 PM   #63 
  - Insane. We won't be going either, ever, now. nt  whatever4   Jul-16-05 12:45 PM   #3 
  - I think that "Uncle Walt" would've approved.  no_hypocrisy   Jul-16-05 12:53 PM   #4 
  - I Think "Uncle Walt" is Spinning in His Grave  AndyTiedye   Jul-16-05 11:29 PM   #87 
     - Maybe, maybe not...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 11:36 AM   #121 
  - Why??  jim3775   Jul-16-05 12:57 PM   #5 
  - Your question and your suggestion is valid. So  cyberpj   Jul-16-05 01:04 PM   #7 
     - I'm thinking that's very likely  there-s a   Jul-16-05 01:12 PM   #12 
  - Doesn't Disney have their own paramilitary police force now?  htuttle   Jul-16-05 01:02 PM   #6 
  - they very nearly  xxqqqzme   Jul-16-05 01:09 PM   #11 
  - "Reedy creek improvement district" is Disney's own local government  Lorien   Jul-16-05 05:55 PM   #45 
  - Yes.  NYC   Jul-17-05 04:53 PM   #132 
  - NOTE: The link to the article also takes you to a survey poll. nt.  cyberpj   Jul-16-05 01:06 PM   #8 
  - I just voted and those against are leading  montana_hazeleyes   Jul-16-05 03:04 PM   #25 
     - Against now up to 60%.  Radio_Lady   Jul-17-05 03:14 PM   #128 
  - I'll show those fuckers at Disney which finger they can scan...  wallwriter   Jul-16-05 01:08 PM   #9 
  - I got busted in the parking lot  zidzi   Jul-16-05 03:03 PM   #24 
     - You'd have a hard time getting busted in the  LibDemAlways   Jul-16-05 04:16 PM   #33 
     - We didn't see them, either...  zidzi   Jul-16-05 05:24 PM   #42 
        - There is probably camera surveillance to some extent,  LibDemAlways   Jul-16-05 05:57 PM   #46 
     - Unfortunately Americans will not stand against it  Pretty_in_CodePink   Jul-17-05 11:14 AM   #117 
        - But this is not the governement...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 11:38 AM   #122 
  - what are they scanning for?  anotherdrew   Jul-16-05 01:09 PM   #10 
  - To get us all used to it - in a friendly environment first. nt.  cyberpj   Jul-16-05 01:16 PM   #13 
  - Yup. In long lines, patiently. Nothing to fear here... Next? nt  whatever4   Jul-16-05 01:24 PM   #14 
  - Supposedly it's not a finger print scan  high density   Jul-16-05 01:46 PM   #18 
  - So, when you buy a ticket they capture the geometry of your fingers  Gormy Cuss   Jul-16-05 02:20 PM   #20 
     - Disney has had this thing for years for season ticket holders  SkipNewarkDE   Jul-17-05 07:02 AM   #103 
  - It's a different technology  salvorhardin   Jul-16-05 01:55 PM   #19 
  - Thank you for the more thorough background.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-16-05 02:30 PM   #21 
  - How often do people forget their passwords and pins?  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-16-05 03:05 PM   #26 
  - Point taken.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-16-05 03:48 PM   #31 
  - This is not an invasion of privacy  salvorhardin   Jul-16-05 08:49 PM   #60 
  - I was speaking of privacy invasion in general  Gormy Cuss   Jul-17-05 11:00 AM   #114 
  - The technology is used for rapid general speed of validating  jayctravis   Jul-17-05 06:23 PM   #137 
  - It's bullshit. We are talking about an "E" ticket here, not a nuclear  stickdog   Jul-16-05 04:21 PM   #36 
  - The customers care if their ticket is STOLEN.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-16-05 05:51 PM   #44 
  - Well then, shoud we use the same methods for all US currency?  stickdog   Jul-16-05 06:27 PM   #53 
  - It is part of the purchase agreement...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 08:57 PM   #64 
  - Disney got the money for one person  Dr Ron   Jul-17-05 03:09 PM   #127 
  - Plus couldn't you just give your pin  Yupster   Jul-17-05 12:07 AM   #93 
  - Fraud too  JusticeForAll   Jul-16-05 08:22 PM   #58 
  - THANK YOU!  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-16-05 02:55 PM   #23 
  - Why oh why, have they gone to all this trouble?  stickdog   Jul-16-05 04:18 PM   #35 
  - Fake passes and transfered passes have become a problem  Lorien   Jul-16-05 06:01 PM   #48 
     - So don't accept fake passes. Problem solved.  stickdog   Jul-16-05 07:28 PM   #54 
     - And how do they determine what's black market?  Lorien   Jul-16-05 08:12 PM   #56 
     - Um, the same way any business controls gift certificates?  stickdog   Jul-16-05 08:19 PM   #57 
     - Gift Certificates are bearer instruments...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 09:04 PM   #69 
        - Hand stamps protect park admissions. You are talking about ride tickets.  stickdog   Jul-17-05 04:38 AM   #102 
           - Disney ignord the issue for a time...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 10:24 AM   #107 
     - there is nothing paranoid about a free market.  flaminbats   Jul-16-05 08:26 PM   #59 
        - You CAN resell Disney Tickets...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 09:10 PM   #71 
           - maybe so..but why should my taxes be used to prosecute?  flaminbats   Jul-17-05 12:18 AM   #95 
              - I have not seen anything regarding proscutions...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 10:33 AM   #109 
                 - Steps Disney is taking to control the secondary market...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 10:41 AM   #111 
     - If you buy a season pass, it's supposed to be for you  Yupster   Jul-17-05 12:10 AM   #94 
     - Honestly, Disney is surprisingly lenient in enforcing the passes  jayctravis   Jul-17-05 06:33 PM   #138 
  - Sea World and Busch Gardens also use the technology  Lorien   Jul-16-05 05:58 PM   #47 
  - I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it,  girl gone mad   Jul-16-05 06:03 PM   #49 
  - I think you are correct  salvorhardin   Jul-16-05 09:02 PM   #66 
     - I don't think it would do much to prevent a terrorist..  girl gone mad   Jul-17-05 02:09 AM   #100 
  - Yes, the waters are being tested  AlwaysQuestion   Jul-16-05 09:50 PM   #78 
  - So you could take an emery board and "sand" off some features of  fob   Jul-16-05 09:52 PM   #79 
  - You mean Disney's not in cahoots with the Knights Templars and BushCo  jobycom   Jul-17-05 12:47 AM   #97 
  - They don't really need to match it.  woodsprite   Jul-16-05 10:14 PM   #81 
  - I understood it for season passes  Yupster   Jul-17-05 12:04 AM   #92 
  - I have been offered admission media in the parking lots before...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 10:18 AM   #106 
  - Perhaps to match the finger prints to the ticket  Pretty_in_CodePink   Jul-17-05 11:17 AM   #118 
     - NOT fingerprints...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 12:00 PM   #124 
  - "Tourists...must now provide their index and middle fingers..."  dicksteele   Jul-16-05 01:37 PM   #15 
  - what is most amazing to me is that when all sorts of similar things to  flordehinojos   Jul-16-05 01:40 PM   #16 
  - Whatever could be a good reason for them to do that?  Eloriel   Jul-16-05 01:43 PM   #17 
  - They're doing fingerprint scans in place of time card punches at work...  icymist   Jul-16-05 02:52 PM   #22 
  - Guess I can't go to Walt Disney World anymore.  SimpleTrend   Jul-16-05 03:12 PM   #27 
  - See post #19  Lorien   Jul-16-05 06:03 PM   #50 
  - Please read Post #19 before freaking out  RevolutionStartsNow   Jul-16-05 03:14 PM   #28 
  - How about starting that revolution against it?  stickdog   Jul-16-05 04:28 PM   #37 
     - I'm starting to talk to other members...  RevolutionStartsNow   Jul-16-05 05:43 PM   #43 
  - The reason is to cut down on ticket sharing...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 03:18 PM   #29 
  - It sounds to me like they're just greedy.  SimpleTrend   Jul-16-05 03:26 PM   #30 
  - Still Are  Sgent   Jul-16-05 04:18 PM   #34 
  - Uh, there was only 1 park in the 1970's...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 08:51 PM   #61 
     - Park something  Sgent   Jul-16-05 10:04 PM   #80 
        - The tickets are still good to some degree...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 10:37 PM   #84 
  - Older tickets are still good...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 09:07 PM   #70 
  - As of their new ticket structure, you have to pay more "no exp. date". n/t  woodsprite   Jul-16-05 10:24 PM   #82 
  - Disney used "per ride" coupons last time I was there.  stickdog   Jul-16-05 04:29 PM   #38 
  - Illegal Tickets in Florida  adolfo   Jul-16-05 04:50 PM   #41 
  - No offense, but  BlackVelvet04   Jul-16-05 09:28 PM   #76 
  - Hey thanks  salvorhardin   Jul-16-05 09:36 PM   #77 
  - Big deal  Dr Ron   Jul-16-05 04:14 PM   #32 
  - But why make non-annual pass holders use this technology?  stickdog   Jul-16-05 04:32 PM   #39 
  - Not at all  Dr Ron   Jul-16-05 11:54 PM   #90 
  - Why shouldn't a pass be used by more than one person?  flaminbats   Jul-16-05 07:37 PM   #55 
  - Because when you bought the pass...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 09:02 PM   #67 
  - then why should I buy a ticket?  flaminbats   Jul-16-05 09:13 PM   #72 
     - Check the terms and conditions of your DU account...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 10:32 PM   #83 
        - I have read all the rules and follow them..  flaminbats   Jul-16-05 11:11 PM   #86 
           - You can try to change the rules...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 11:30 PM   #88 
  - You are advocating theft  Dr Ron   Jul-16-05 11:57 PM   #91 
     - it is different than shop lifting..  flaminbats   Jul-17-05 12:37 AM   #96 
        - In your example...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 12:04 PM   #125 
        - That's not what I said  Dr Ron   Jul-17-05 03:07 PM   #126 
           - uhggg, that's even worse...  flaminbats   Jul-17-05 03:20 PM   #129 
           - Not at all analogous  Dr Ron   Jul-17-05 05:17 PM   #133 
           - it ain't?!?!  flaminbats   Jul-17-05 08:35 PM   #140 
           - A better analogy would be renting a hotel room  AlGore-08.com   Jul-17-05 09:23 PM   #141 
              - what if I allow another relative stay on different days?  flaminbats   Jul-17-05 10:42 PM   #142 
                 - It's still apples and oranges, because the room rate doesn't change  AlGore-08.com   Jul-17-05 11:42 PM   #143 
                    - "If you don't like the limitation, don't go to their parks."  flaminbats   Jul-18-05 01:21 AM   #145 
           - Sorry - Replied to the wrong message...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 03:54 PM   #131 
  - It is a process of conditioning  AlwaysQuestion   Jul-17-05 03:36 PM   #130 
     - That's paranoia  Dr Ron   Jul-17-05 05:39 PM   #134 
        - Paranoia? Oooookay  AlwaysQuestion   Jul-17-05 07:18 PM   #139 
  - Hey Disney, scan this...  Robeson   Jul-16-05 04:45 PM   #40 
  - We were in Disney world in May and they were requiring the scan  PA Democrat   Jul-16-05 06:05 PM   #51 
  - Toro turd!  rocknation   Jul-16-05 06:08 PM   #52 
  - That wouldn't work  Dr Ron   Jul-17-05 05:44 PM   #135 
  - I'd like to give Disney a different finger altogether..  slay   Jul-16-05 08:51 PM   #62 
  - Maybe I am just malinformed, but I don't see the controversy here.  MadisonProgressive   Jul-16-05 08:57 PM   #65 
  - I'm a season passholder at Disneyland  Piperay   Jul-16-05 09:03 PM   #68 
  - A disturbing trend  Greenbeard   Jul-16-05 09:20 PM   #73 
  - Did you even read the thread?  salvorhardin   Jul-16-05 09:24 PM   #74 
  - As someone said earlier...  cyberpj   Jul-16-05 10:56 PM   #85 
  - perhaps Diebold is next..  flaminbats   Jul-16-05 09:28 PM   #75 
  - Airports require a more positive ID than Disney does...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-16-05 11:34 PM   #89 
     - And for good reason. No one flew Disneyland into the WTC.  Seabiscuit   Jul-17-05 01:37 AM   #99 
        - Positive ID at airports pre-date 9/11  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 10:29 AM   #108 
           - Yes, and as you probably know  Gormy Cuss   Jul-17-05 11:03 AM   #115 
              - Agreed, but there was one difference...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 11:33 AM   #120 
  - Jeb's fingerprints are all over this one.  Seabiscuit   Jul-17-05 01:34 AM   #98 
  - Finger Scanning At Disney Parks Causes Concern  bcbarrett   Jul-17-05 03:06 AM   #101 
  - Hey bcbarrett!  meganmonkey   Jul-17-05 09:06 AM   #104 
     - Why thank you!  bcbarrett   Jul-17-05 09:56 AM   #105 
  - Perhaps they need all the kiddies fingerprints in case they reinstate the  bunny planet   Jul-17-05 10:40 AM   #110 
  - They are NOT taking fingerprints...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 10:52 AM   #112 
     - relax, I was just being sarcastic.  bunny planet   Jul-17-05 11:06 AM   #116 
        - Sorry...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 11:40 AM   #123 
  - Because Disney just isn't making enough $$  WinkyDink   Jul-17-05 10:52 AM   #113 
  - One key consideration that is being overlooked...  ace2u_in_MD   Jul-17-05 11:27 AM   #119 
  - Disney has used biometrics on their season passes.  jayctravis   Jul-17-05 06:20 PM   #136 
  - Walt Disney's dream come true!  Voltaire99   Jul-18-05 01:02 AM   #144 
 

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