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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:37 PM
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10. Cardinal Schönborn doesn't know what he is talking about.
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 10:39 PM by Massacure
Natural selection does not have to be random. It is entirely possible that "God" effects or manipulates events on Earth to cause evolution to go one way or another.

Christians can call it god, but I'll call it mother nature. We may believe in two different entities, but the effect is the same. Evolution.
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  -NYT: Leading Cardinal Redefines Church's View on Evolution kskiska  Jul-08-05 10:02 PM   #0 
  - none are more ignorant than the willfully ignorant....  mike_c   Jul-08-05 10:03 PM   #1 
  - I wonder what he makes of Ohm's Law  Pigwidgeon   Jul-08-05 10:08 PM   #2 
  - IF GOD WAS BEHIND INTELLIGENT DESIGN,  howmad1   Jul-08-05 11:51 PM   #32 
     - So true...and he'd have given us better/stronger BACKBONES!  Auntie Bush   Jul-09-05 10:02 AM   #43 
  - And gravity is unacceptable too. Not to mention all that planet stuff  MichiganVote   Jul-08-05 10:08 PM   #3 
  - The Roman Catholic Church  Bo   Jul-11-05 12:05 PM   #67 
  - Evolution is NOT random  toddaa   Jul-08-05 10:12 PM   #4 
  - YUP!  lapfog_1   Jul-08-05 10:53 PM   #14 
  - Doesn't life itself go against the laws of thermodynamics?  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 11:06 PM   #18 
  - So... various "naturally occurring" crystals and metals are  lapfog_1   Jul-09-05 12:31 AM   #35 
  - Fatal flaw in your argument...  Solon   Jul-09-05 12:33 AM   #36 
  - A common misconception.  Shadoobie   Jul-09-05 12:33 AM   #37 
  - You are absolutely correct...  Solon   Jul-09-05 12:48 AM   #39 
  - late to the dance, but I have an answer for you-- no....  mike_c   Jul-09-05 10:39 AM   #45 
  - Only in closed systems. Sunlight makes Earth a non-closed system.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-11-05 12:02 PM   #66 
  - Including groups of interdependent organisms known as biospheres  nolabels   Jul-10-05 09:02 AM   #65 
  - Mutation Is Not NECESSARILY Random. That Is An Opinion Not Based  cryingshame   Jul-08-05 11:34 PM   #29 
  - Wishful thinking perhaps?  Penance   Jul-08-05 11:45 PM   #31 
  - nonetheless, most point mutations are indeed random....  mike_c   Jul-09-05 10:44 AM   #46 
  - And God- theirs, at any rate- MUST be assumed to be able to  kgfnally   Jul-09-05 01:01 AM   #40 
     - It's a matter of the priesthood maintaining power.  reprobate   Jul-09-05 01:27 PM   #47 
  - Damn these money hungry bastards!  H5N1   Jul-08-05 10:13 PM   #5 
  - the virgin mary had blue eyes, blonde hair, and pale white skin. n/t  msongs   Jul-08-05 10:18 PM   #6 
  - Which explains why Our Lady of of Guadalupe is one of the  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 10:33 PM   #9 
  - How could anyone tell a guided process from an unguided one?  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 10:19 PM   #7 
  - Sad, the Catholic Church appears to be devolving.  Old and In the Way   Jul-08-05 10:26 PM   #8 
  - Cardinal Schönborn doesn't know what he is talking about.  Massacure   Jul-08-05 10:37 PM   #10 
  - I think he'd argue with you about Mother Nature vs God,  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 10:51 PM   #12 
     - Mother nature is quite dependant on physics though.  Massacure   Jul-08-05 10:58 PM   #16 
     - Ah, but where does the physics come from?  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 11:04 PM   #17 
        - Ah, I see where you are coming at now.  Massacure   Jul-08-05 11:08 PM   #19 
        - If you can't have fun with it, what's the point?  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 11:18 PM   #22 
        - "Ah, but where does god come from?"  jwcomer   Jul-09-05 03:39 PM   #49 
     - To postulate a "God" you must describe that "God" and it's effects.  reprobate   Jul-09-05 01:38 PM   #48 
        - if only they even knew what God is  renaissanceguy   Jul-11-05 12:12 PM   #68 
  - Anyone who says they know the truth about the origin of things is full of  Mountainman   Jul-08-05 10:40 PM   #11 
  - He should read one more book  lapfog_1   Jul-08-05 10:52 PM   #13 
  - But in your model, someone programs the computer .  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 11:20 PM   #23 
     - So...  lapfog_1   Jul-09-05 12:35 AM   #38 
  - Someones zucchetto is too tight  Solly Mack   Jul-08-05 10:56 PM   #15 
  - As a devote Roman Catholic  sjdnb   Jul-08-05 11:14 PM   #20 
  - I love that movie - and I agree with the sentiment.  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 11:15 PM   #21 
  - Quite right -- no one should exclude  DemBones DemBones   Jul-08-05 11:33 PM   #28 
     - If you claim something exists...  really annoyed   Jul-09-05 12:12 AM   #34 
        - An open mind doesn't mean accepting every theory  shrike   Jul-09-05 03:50 PM   #50 
  - I submit that the platypus is proof both of guided evolution and  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 11:24 PM   #24 
  - No need to get upset. The headline implies  DemBones DemBones   Jul-08-05 11:29 PM   #25 
  - Any individual who believes in a deity would probably think  shrike   Jul-09-05 03:54 PM   #51 
     - It got reported because the Cardinal, and creationsists, wanted it  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-09-05 05:32 PM   #54 
  - Oh For Pity's Sake. Yes, "Randomness" Is Also A Philosophical Assertion  cryingshame   Jul-08-05 11:32 PM   #26 
  - Bingo!  hedgehog   Jul-08-05 11:34 PM   #30 
  - I'll be a monkey's uncle  DanCa   Jul-08-05 11:33 PM   #27 
  - Gee, another persecution thread  really annoyed   Jul-08-05 11:59 PM   #33 
  - and anyone who takes a cardinals advice on matters of science...  Endangered Specie   Jul-09-05 01:12 AM   #41 
  - Page one, NYT today. nt  DeepModem Mom   Jul-09-05 09:51 AM   #42 
  - Musical interlude  Jack Rabbit   Jul-09-05 10:30 AM   #44 
  - I respect  burrowowl   Jul-09-05 04:07 PM   #52 
  - Didn't Teillard de Chardin postulate the creation is striving to  hedgehog   Jul-09-05 05:07 PM   #53 
     - He believe in evolution  burrowowl   Jul-09-05 05:53 PM   #55 
     - Teilhard de Chardin reconciled evolution with Church teachings  cap   Jul-09-05 06:02 PM   #57 
  - Gregor Mendel Is Rolling In His Grave  Demeter   Jul-09-05 06:01 PM   #56 
  - Pardon me, Cardinal, but..  girl gone mad   Jul-09-05 06:05 PM   #58 
  - Neo-Darwinism?  edhopper   Jul-09-05 06:51 PM   #59 
  - No, biologists do use the term  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-10-05 07:16 AM   #60 
  - Most apropos: This being on the anniversary ...  panzerfaust   Jul-10-05 07:28 AM   #61 
  - is molestation just a theory to them also....  liberaliraqvet26   Jul-10-05 07:34 AM   #62 
  - Gravity is a theory, too,  jhain   Jul-10-05 08:09 AM   #63 
  - Creative Response Concepts strikes again  starroute   Jul-10-05 08:49 AM   #64 

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