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Reply #118: That deal allowed us to fight another day, so let's fight them [View All]

Strawman

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Tue Jul-05-05 11:00 AM
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118. That deal allowed us to fight another day, so let's fight them

not one another. There still is a filibuster. None of us here want our Democratic Senators to cave in and allow an extremist nominee. Regardless of how we feel about the "deal," I think 99.99% of the people here want the same thing. The deal leaves it up to each Senator's conscience to decide what warrants extraordinary circumstances. Our job now is to help those potential fence sitters fear the consequences of not listening to their consciences and to do whatever we can as activists to compel * to nominate someone more moderate that he would otherwise prefer.

I have a strong opinion that this deal was a good move strategically, but I'm not going to take the bait and become part of the circular firing squad. Not this time. Whether or not you think the deal was good or bad, it's reality and it does not compel any Senator to refrain from filibustering some right-wing whack job nominee to the SCOTUS. Replacing the swing vote on a closely divided court is certainly an extreme circumstance.

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-Filibuster deal could thwart efforts to nix conservative Supreme nominee	MelissaB	Jul-03-05 09:45 PM	#0
- BS!!	ixion	Jul-03-05 09:48 PM	#1
- What's the point of this deal, if extraodinary circumstances NEVER happen?	calipendence	Jul-03-05 10:22 PM	#4
- The "Deal" was "NO DEAL for America"	Born Free	Jul-04-05 05:05 AM	#17
- One correction (imho)	pokercat999	Jul-04-05 07:01 AM	#19
- When this so-called "Deal" was forged I immediately called BS on the Dems	Pachamama	Jul-04-05 01:10 PM	#67
- Extraordinary circumstances do happen	ikojo	Jul-04-05 09:01 AM	#25
- The point was to get their judges and 'fuck the democrats'	spanone	Jul-04-05 09:21 AM	#28
- I never liked the McCain/Reid deal.	jurassicpork	Jul-04-05 01:55 PM	#75
- Here's the hook	OldLeftieLawyer	Jul-04-05 02:49 PM	#84
- Uh, it's dead girl or live boy	Eloriel	Jul-05-05 08:43 AM	#113
- Times have changed	OldLeftieLawyer	Jul-05-05 09:33 AM	#116
- Clintonista Centrists Just Don't Have Spines to Stand Up for Anything	GoreDean2008	Jul-04-05 11:07 AM	#51
- Nice deal.	Gloria	Jul-03-05 09:49 PM	#2
- Filibuster Deal Puts Democrats In a Bind	cal04	Jul-03-05 10:18 PM	#3
- this is contrary to other reports that "extraordinary circumstances" were	spooky3	Jul-04-05 04:57 AM	#16
- EXACTLY.	Skinner	Jul-04-05 08:49 AM	#22
- yep, they're merely settin' the stage...	JRob	Jul-04-05 07:25 PM	#97
- Check Janice Brown	OldLeftieLawyer	Jul-04-05 02:56 PM	#87
- What a bunch of crap.	Skinner	Jul-04-05 08:48 AM	#21
- unless you get to the extreme of either side	Toots	Jul-04-05 08:58 AM	#24
- I read it the same way, Skinner	wryter2000	Jul-04-05 09:34 AM	#31
- ...it's right behind his Platinum American Express card.	JRob	Jul-04-05 07:29 PM	#98
- Don't have the text, but if memory serves me, the purposeful vagueness of	Pachamama	Jul-04-05 01:26 PM	#69
- Why not?	jurassicpork	Jul-04-05 02:10 PM	#78
- Oh really? They held a vote and the GOP said no? Are you certain?	Pachamama	Jul-04-05 07:45 PM	#101
- You're EXACTLY RIGHT re Gonzalez -- READ THIS, people	Eloriel	Jul-05-05 10:03 AM	#117
- Ruse....that's the word I was looking for....	Pachamama	Jul-06-05 12:33 AM	#128
- You're overlooking the precedent that was created	OldLeftieLawyer	Jul-04-05 02:55 PM	#85
- This is what I have believed & feared...and knowing one of our DU Legal	Pachamama	Jul-04-05 07:53 PM	#103
- It creates no precedent. A political compromise to allow votes	spooky3	Jul-05-05 03:58 PM	#123
- The problem is that Biden doesn't speak for the 14	enough already	Jul-05-05 06:42 AM	#108
- Hey, Skinner, I sent a tip to MediaMatters.org--check this out:	spooky3	Jul-05-05 03:56 PM	#122
- That deal allowed us to fight another day, so let's fight them	Strawman	Jul-05-05 11:00 AM	#118
- Is this deal	Mz Pip	Jul-03-05 10:24 PM	#5
- Isn't this called a double-cross? What the hell good was this "deal"?	confludemocrat	Jul-03-05 10:49 PM	#6
- what if they just renominate one of the judges from the deal?	pocket	Jul-03-05 11:10 PM	#7
- I'd say "lack of experience" could be an extreme circumstance	orangepeel68	Jul-04-05 12:00 PM	#56
- Supreme court is a vastly more important position.	dmordue	Jul-04-05 02:08 PM	#77
- I would suggest	MadisonProgressive	Jul-03-05 11:20 PM	#8
- Thank you Ben Nelson	CityDem	Jul-03-05 11:22 PM	#9
- That accusation is unfair	ElTexican	Jul-04-05 04:12 AM	#15
- Welcome to DU, Texican	wryter2000	Jul-04-05 09:35 AM	#33
- Your number 2 is some nice spin	Emerson	Jul-04-05 04:35 PM	#91
- I agree	depakid	Jul-04-05 03:32 PM	#90
- Any REPRESENTATIVE who plays along with this sham	Malikshah	Jul-03-05 11:23 PM	#10
- So throw out the deal	high density	Jul-03-05 11:26 PM	#11
- agreed	upoceg	Jul-04-05 01:46 PM	#73
- Exactly	OldLeftieLawyer	Jul-04-05 02:59 PM	#88
- Yes clinton did fine	Emerson	Jul-04-05 04:38 PM	#92
- So since only Republicans have superior ethics and character	pinkpops	Jul-03-05 11:34 PM	#12
- Sure was a great deal ...	ngGale	Jul-03-05 11:35 PM	#13
- Unfortunately, even Reid has suggested pro-life nominees ...	ElTexican	Jul-04-05 04:10 AM	#14
- Interesting terminology you use	Emerson	Jul-04-05 04:43 PM	#93
- I asked my friend Pete. His response was wavy lines coming out of his head	Commie Pinko Dirtbag	Jul-05-05 11:10 AM	#119
- What were they thinking?	BooScout	Jul-04-05 06:18 AM	#18
- Since when did being fair and honest come into it?	goclark	Jul-04-05 07:15 AM	#20
- Cow pies! Here's a link to the text of the so-called deal:	struggle4progress	Jul-04-05 08:50 AM	#23
- THANK YOU!	Skinner	Jul-04-05 09:05 AM	#26
- Yeah, that's key: "each signatory must use his or her own discretion..."	confludemocrat	Jul-04-05 02:07 PM	#76
- This is why I don't let my emotions...	Andromeda	Jul-05-05 04:59 AM	#107
- No false conclusions here...	mirrera	Jul-05-05 07:58 AM	#111
- This article also shows some infighting that may occur	Carla in Ca	Jul-04-05 05:00 PM	#95
- Simple answer	CoolOnion	Jul-04-05 09:16 AM	#27
- "...we don't need no steeenkin deals"	marty13	Jul-04-05 09:30 AM	#30
- Hi, Marty!	wryter2000	Jul-04-05 09:37 AM	#35
- It'll be interesting to see who he picks	CoolOnion	Jul-04-05 09:44 AM	#40
- Welcome to DU, Marty 13!	rocknation	Jul-04-05 09:50 AM	#42
- Welcome to DU Marty13.	Chipper Chat	Jul-04-05 01:46 PM	#74
- Hmmm	wryter2000	Jul-04-05 09:30 AM	#29
- The Republican spin kickoff....	Neecy	Jul-04-05 09:34 AM	#32
- Exactly--the Washington Post article is by STENO SUE SCHMIDT	pacoyogi	Jul-04-05 12:20 PM	#57
- Whatever.	scdusek	Jul-04-05 09:36 AM	#34
- Welcome to DU	wryter2000	Jul-04-05 09:38 AM	#37
- An interesting issue--property rights	CoolOnion	Jul-04-05 10:03 AM	#45
- I'd say taking away more of my rights constitutes	yy4me	Jul-04-05 09:37 AM	#36
- When Owen and Brown were part of this deal	adigal	Jul-04-05 09:41 AM	#38
- You should know a pre-emptive strike when you see one by now	rocknation	Jul-04-05 09:42 AM	#39
- You are sooooo right--this article is	pacoyogi	Jul-04-05 12:23 PM	#58
- Agree, contentless speculation; bad journalsim, were used to it (n/t)	confludemocrat	Jul-04-05 02:12 PM	#79
- Yep, the deal is turning out to be the 'no-win-no-way rollover and kiss	acmavm	Jul-04-05 09:46 AM	#41
- Gonzalez would qualify as "extra-ordinary circumstances"	Phoebe Loosinhouse	Jul-04-05 09:54 AM	#43
- Gonzales has been declared a "no-go" by the religious right....	Olney Blue	Jul-04-05 11:19 AM	#52
- if the dems had stood their ground without this giveaway	ooglymoogly	Jul-04-05 09:57 AM	#44
- Dumb question here.	Proud_Lefty	Jul-04-05 10:12 AM	#46
- Not a dumb question Proud Lefty! Very good question indeed!	Pachamama	Jul-04-05 01:33 PM	#70
- Thanks	Proud_Lefty	Jul-04-05 01:39 PM	#72
- WWFD?	jurassicpork	Jul-04-05 02:13 PM	#80
- Hard to address this without sarcasm	Proud_Lefty	Jul-04-05 02:55 PM	#86
- Of course if the nuclear option was inacted...	dmordue	Jul-04-05 10:14 AM	#47
- IF...? What is different?	mirrera	Jul-05-05 08:30 AM	#112
- If Dubya names a rightwing ideologue to replace O'Connor ...	damntexdem	Jul-04-05 10:37 AM	#48
- fuck 'em	woosh	Jul-04-05 10:50 AM	#49
- Would they actually pay though????	HannibalBarca	Jul-04-05 02:29 PM	#83
- I hate the 14	adarling	Jul-04-05 10:59 AM	#50
- What happens if they outlaw the fillibuster as threatened.	dmordue	Jul-04-05 11:28 AM	#53
- i feel like they are going to try and do it anyways	adarling	Jul-04-05 12:36 PM	#63
- I agree..if they don't think about the future, they get what they deserve!	drmom	Jul-04-05 07:34 PM	#99
- America then hopefully wakes up & sees the GOP as what they really are?	Pachamama	Jul-04-05 01:36 PM	#71
- What would happen w/o the filibuster?	jurassicpork	Jul-04-05 02:17 PM	#81
- i know, isn't it great?	adarling	Jul-05-05 03:03 PM	#120
- Andrew	jurassicpork	Jul-05-05 03:50 PM	#121
- thank you	adarling	Jul-05-05 04:52 PM	#124
- Why can't the Dems come out with spin like this?	gulliver	Jul-04-05 11:36 AM	#54
- Sold out again by our “leadership,” corrupt or inane?	FreeStateDemocrat	Jul-04-05 12:27 PM	#59
- Fascists are naturally better at propoganda! (n/m)	Knight of Ni	Jul-04-05 12:42 PM	#64
- By definition, a supreme court appointment is "extraordinary."	tedoll78	Jul-04-05 11:53 AM	#55
- WHITE HOUSE SPIN TO DISCOURAGE REPUB. MODERATES----	pacoyogi	Jul-04-05 12:30 PM	#60
- Christ. What a bunch of dewy-eyed innocents. I said the deal was bad	Pryderi	Jul-04-05 12:30 PM	#61
- You are playing into the Republican spin machine.	pacoyogi	Jul-04-05 12:33 PM	#62
- That's what I thought when I saw it...consider the source, but do we	MelissaB	Jul-04-05 12:49 PM	#65
- We don't ignore it, but I think the response is to do what Skinner	pacoyogi	Jul-04-05 12:58 PM	#66
- This is nuts!!!	wake.up.america	Jul-04-05 01:20 PM	#68
- I was against the deal but it is likely they discussed future SC nominees	confludemocrat	Jul-04-05 02:23 PM	#82
- fuck 'em both... whatever happens they win!	JRob	Jul-04-05 07:54 PM	#104
- Didn't preserve much	CityDem	Jul-04-05 03:19 PM	#89
- exactly! and what did we get in the "deal"? the right of a reach-around?	JRob	Jul-04-05 07:57 PM	#105
- The analysis of what actually happened	OldLeftieLawyer	Jul-04-05 04:57 PM	#94
- So will Gorgie pick a Judge or pick a Fight???	Fla4kerry	Jul-04-05 05:30 PM	#96
- thank you, thank you, thank you!	JRob	Jul-04-05 08:01 PM	#106
- As in "Gonzales," maybe...	AuntiBush	Jul-04-05 07:41 PM	#100
- The Democrats Need to Define "extaordinary circumstances"	spanone	Jul-04-05 07:48 PM	#102
- Too late. They have already effectively pounced.	The Stranger	Jul-05-05 08:56 AM	#115
- Argh!!!!	muchacho	Jul-05-05 07:00 AM	#109
- We were all screaming about this when it happened,	mirrera	Jul-05-05 07:17 AM	#110
- Come on, people. That is an EASY one.	The Stranger	Jul-05-05 08:55 AM	#114
- If the nominee is a rightwing	mmonk	Jul-05-05 05:12 PM	#125
- You are a democrat of good moral character unlike some who are elected	FreeStateDemocrat	Jul-05-05 06:05 PM	#126
- Heh. Please try to be less shocked...	Voltaire99	Jul-06-05 12:00 AM	#127
- If you make a deal with the Devil...	MojoXN	Jul-06-05 10:06 AM	#129
- The so-called "deal"	Hardknock	Jul-06-05 02:01 PM	#130

Reply #118: That deal allowed us to fight another day, so let's fight them [View All]