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Mon Jul-04-05 11:07 AM
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| 51. Clintonista Centrists Just Don't Have Spines to Stand Up for Anything |
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They are not the same centrists we knew before. They are right-wing Bush-lites that kowtow to the right-wing elites and bide time for Bill and Hillary to return to the White House just for their own - not people's - power.
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| -Filibuster deal could thwart efforts to nix conservative Supreme nominee |
MelissaB |
Jul-03-05 09:45 PM |
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BS!! |
ixion |
Jul-03-05 09:48 PM |
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What's the point of this deal, if extraodinary circumstances NEVER happen? |
calipendence |
Jul-03-05 10:22 PM |
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The "Deal" was "NO DEAL for America" |
Born Free |
Jul-04-05 05:05 AM |
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One correction (imho) |
pokercat999 |
Jul-04-05 07:01 AM |
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When this so-called "Deal" was forged I immediately called BS on the Dems |
Pachamama |
Jul-04-05 01:10 PM |
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Extraordinary circumstances do happen |
ikojo |
Jul-04-05 09:01 AM |
#25 |
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The point was to get their judges and 'fuck the democrats' |
spanone |
Jul-04-05 09:21 AM |
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I never liked the McCain/Reid deal. |
jurassicpork |
Jul-04-05 01:55 PM |
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Here's the hook |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Jul-04-05 02:49 PM |
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Uh, it's dead girl or live boy |
Eloriel |
Jul-05-05 08:43 AM |
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Times have changed |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Jul-05-05 09:33 AM |
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Clintonista Centrists Just Don't Have Spines to Stand Up for Anything |
GoreDean2008 |
Jul-04-05 11:07 AM |
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Nice deal. |
Gloria |
Jul-03-05 09:49 PM |
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Filibuster Deal Puts Democrats In a Bind |
cal04 |
Jul-03-05 10:18 PM |
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this is contrary to other reports that "extraordinary circumstances" were |
spooky3 |
Jul-04-05 04:57 AM |
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EXACTLY. |
Skinner |
Jul-04-05 08:49 AM |
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yep, they're merely settin' the stage... |
JRob |
Jul-04-05 07:25 PM |
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Check Janice Brown |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Jul-04-05 02:56 PM |
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What a bunch of crap. |
Skinner |
Jul-04-05 08:48 AM |
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unless you get to the extreme of either side |
Toots |
Jul-04-05 08:58 AM |
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I read it the same way, Skinner |
wryter2000 |
Jul-04-05 09:34 AM |
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...it's right behind his Platinum American Express card. |
JRob |
Jul-04-05 07:29 PM |
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Don't have the text, but if memory serves me, the purposeful vagueness of |
Pachamama |
Jul-04-05 01:26 PM |
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Why not? |
jurassicpork |
Jul-04-05 02:10 PM |
#78 |
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Oh really? They held a vote and the GOP said no? Are you certain? |
Pachamama |
Jul-04-05 07:45 PM |
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You're EXACTLY RIGHT re Gonzalez -- READ THIS, people |
Eloriel |
Jul-05-05 10:03 AM |
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Ruse....that's the word I was looking for.... |
Pachamama |
Jul-06-05 12:33 AM |
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You're overlooking the precedent that was created |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Jul-04-05 02:55 PM |
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This is what I have believed & feared...and knowing one of our DU Legal |
Pachamama |
Jul-04-05 07:53 PM |
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It creates no precedent. A political compromise to allow votes |
spooky3 |
Jul-05-05 03:58 PM |
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The problem is that Biden doesn't speak for the 14 |
enough already |
Jul-05-05 06:42 AM |
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Hey, Skinner, I sent a tip to MediaMatters.org--check this out: |
spooky3 |
Jul-05-05 03:56 PM |
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That deal allowed us to fight another day, so let's fight them |
Strawman |
Jul-05-05 11:00 AM |
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Is this deal |
Mz Pip |
Jul-03-05 10:24 PM |
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Isn't this called a double-cross? What the hell good was this "deal"? |
confludemocrat |
Jul-03-05 10:49 PM |
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what if they just renominate one of the judges from the deal? |
pocket |
Jul-03-05 11:10 PM |
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I'd say "lack of experience" could be an extreme circumstance |
orangepeel68 |
Jul-04-05 12:00 PM |
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Supreme court is a vastly more important position. |
dmordue |
Jul-04-05 02:08 PM |
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I would suggest |
MadisonProgressive |
Jul-03-05 11:20 PM |
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Thank you Ben Nelson |
CityDem |
Jul-03-05 11:22 PM |
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That accusation is unfair |
ElTexican |
Jul-04-05 04:12 AM |
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Welcome to DU, Texican |
wryter2000 |
Jul-04-05 09:35 AM |
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Your number 2 is some nice spin |
Emerson |
Jul-04-05 04:35 PM |
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I agree |
depakid |
Jul-04-05 03:32 PM |
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Any REPRESENTATIVE who plays along with this sham |
Malikshah |
Jul-03-05 11:23 PM |
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So throw out the deal |
high density |
Jul-03-05 11:26 PM |
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agreed |
upoceg |
Jul-04-05 01:46 PM |
#73 |
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Exactly |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Jul-04-05 02:59 PM |
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Yes clinton did fine |
Emerson |
Jul-04-05 04:38 PM |
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So since only Republicans have superior ethics and character |
pinkpops |
Jul-03-05 11:34 PM |
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Sure was a great deal ... |
ngGale |
Jul-03-05 11:35 PM |
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Unfortunately, even Reid has suggested pro-life nominees ... |
ElTexican |
Jul-04-05 04:10 AM |
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Interesting terminology you use |
Emerson |
Jul-04-05 04:43 PM |
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I asked my friend Pete. His response was wavy lines coming out of his head |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-05-05 11:10 AM |
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What were they thinking? |
BooScout |
Jul-04-05 06:18 AM |
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Since when did being fair and honest come into it? |
goclark |
Jul-04-05 07:15 AM |
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Cow pies! Here's a link to the text of the so-called deal: |
struggle4progress |
Jul-04-05 08:50 AM |
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THANK YOU! |
Skinner |
Jul-04-05 09:05 AM |
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Yeah, that's key: "each signatory must use his or her own discretion..." |
confludemocrat |
Jul-04-05 02:07 PM |
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This is why I don't let my emotions... |
Andromeda |
Jul-05-05 04:59 AM |
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No false conclusions here... |
mirrera |
Jul-05-05 07:58 AM |
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This article also shows some infighting that may occur |
Carla in Ca |
Jul-04-05 05:00 PM |
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Simple answer |
CoolOnion |
Jul-04-05 09:16 AM |
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"...we don't need no steeenkin deals" |
marty13 |
Jul-04-05 09:30 AM |
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Hi, Marty! |
wryter2000 |
Jul-04-05 09:37 AM |
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It'll be interesting to see who he picks |
CoolOnion |
Jul-04-05 09:44 AM |
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Welcome to DU, Marty 13! |
rocknation |
Jul-04-05 09:50 AM |
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Welcome to DU Marty13. |
Chipper Chat |
Jul-04-05 01:46 PM |
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Hmmm |
wryter2000 |
Jul-04-05 09:30 AM |
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The Republican spin kickoff.... |
Neecy |
Jul-04-05 09:34 AM |
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Exactly--the Washington Post article is by STENO SUE SCHMIDT |
pacoyogi |
Jul-04-05 12:20 PM |
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Whatever. |
scdusek |
Jul-04-05 09:36 AM |
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Welcome to DU |
wryter2000 |
Jul-04-05 09:38 AM |
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An interesting issue--property rights |
CoolOnion |
Jul-04-05 10:03 AM |
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I'd say taking away more of my rights constitutes |
yy4me |
Jul-04-05 09:37 AM |
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When Owen and Brown were part of this deal |
adigal |
Jul-04-05 09:41 AM |
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You should know a pre-emptive strike when you see one by now |
rocknation |
Jul-04-05 09:42 AM |
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You are sooooo right--this article is |
pacoyogi |
Jul-04-05 12:23 PM |
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Agree, contentless speculation; bad journalsim, were used to it (n/t) |
confludemocrat |
Jul-04-05 02:12 PM |
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Yep, the deal is turning out to be the 'no-win-no-way rollover and kiss |
acmavm |
Jul-04-05 09:46 AM |
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Gonzalez would qualify as "extra-ordinary circumstances" |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Jul-04-05 09:54 AM |
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Gonzales has been declared a "no-go" by the religious right.... |
Olney Blue |
Jul-04-05 11:19 AM |
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if the dems had stood their ground without this giveaway |
ooglymoogly |
Jul-04-05 09:57 AM |
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Dumb question here. |
Proud_Lefty |
Jul-04-05 10:12 AM |
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Not a dumb question Proud Lefty! Very good question indeed! |
Pachamama |
Jul-04-05 01:33 PM |
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Thanks |
Proud_Lefty |
Jul-04-05 01:39 PM |
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WWFD? |
jurassicpork |
Jul-04-05 02:13 PM |
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Hard to address this without sarcasm |
Proud_Lefty |
Jul-04-05 02:55 PM |
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Of course if the nuclear option was inacted... |
dmordue |
Jul-04-05 10:14 AM |
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IF...? What is different? |
mirrera |
Jul-05-05 08:30 AM |
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If Dubya names a rightwing ideologue to replace O'Connor ... |
damntexdem |
Jul-04-05 10:37 AM |
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fuck 'em |
woosh |
Jul-04-05 10:50 AM |
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Would they actually pay though???? |
HannibalBarca |
Jul-04-05 02:29 PM |
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I hate the 14 |
adarling |
Jul-04-05 10:59 AM |
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What happens if they outlaw the fillibuster as threatened. |
dmordue |
Jul-04-05 11:28 AM |
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i feel like they are going to try and do it anyways |
adarling |
Jul-04-05 12:36 PM |
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I agree..if they don't think about the future, they get what they deserve! |
drmom |
Jul-04-05 07:34 PM |
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America then hopefully wakes up & sees the GOP as what they really are? |
Pachamama |
Jul-04-05 01:36 PM |
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What would happen w/o the filibuster? |
jurassicpork |
Jul-04-05 02:17 PM |
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i know, isn't it great? |
adarling |
Jul-05-05 03:03 PM |
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Andrew |
jurassicpork |
Jul-05-05 03:50 PM |
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thank you |
adarling |
Jul-05-05 04:52 PM |
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Why can't the Dems come out with spin like this? |
gulliver |
Jul-04-05 11:36 AM |
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Sold out again by our “leadership,” corrupt or inane? |
FreeStateDemocrat |
Jul-04-05 12:27 PM |
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Fascists are naturally better at propoganda! (n/m) |
Knight of Ni |
Jul-04-05 12:42 PM |
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By definition, a supreme court appointment is "extraordinary." |
tedoll78 |
Jul-04-05 11:53 AM |
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WHITE HOUSE SPIN TO DISCOURAGE REPUB. MODERATES---- |
pacoyogi |
Jul-04-05 12:30 PM |
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Christ. What a bunch of dewy-eyed innocents. I said the deal was bad |
Pryderi |
Jul-04-05 12:30 PM |
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You are playing into the Republican spin machine. |
pacoyogi |
Jul-04-05 12:33 PM |
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That's what I thought when I saw it...consider the source, but do we |
MelissaB |
Jul-04-05 12:49 PM |
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We don't ignore it, but I think the response is to do what Skinner |
pacoyogi |
Jul-04-05 12:58 PM |
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This is nuts!!! |
wake.up.america |
Jul-04-05 01:20 PM |
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I was against the deal but it is likely they discussed future SC nominees |
confludemocrat |
Jul-04-05 02:23 PM |
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fuck 'em both... whatever happens they win! |
JRob |
Jul-04-05 07:54 PM |
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Didn't preserve much |
CityDem |
Jul-04-05 03:19 PM |
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exactly! and what did we get in the "deal"? the right of a reach-around? |
JRob |
Jul-04-05 07:57 PM |
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The analysis of what actually happened |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Jul-04-05 04:57 PM |
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So will Gorgie pick a Judge or pick a Fight??? |
Fla4kerry |
Jul-04-05 05:30 PM |
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thank you, thank you, thank you! |
JRob |
Jul-04-05 08:01 PM |
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As in "Gonzales," maybe... |
AuntiBush |
Jul-04-05 07:41 PM |
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The Democrats Need to Define "extaordinary circumstances" |
spanone |
Jul-04-05 07:48 PM |
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Too late. They have already effectively pounced. |
The Stranger |
Jul-05-05 08:56 AM |
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Argh!!!! |
muchacho |
Jul-05-05 07:00 AM |
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We were all screaming about this when it happened, |
mirrera |
Jul-05-05 07:17 AM |
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Come on, people. That is an EASY one. |
The Stranger |
Jul-05-05 08:55 AM |
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If the nominee is a rightwing |
mmonk |
Jul-05-05 05:12 PM |
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You are a democrat of good moral character unlike some who are elected |
FreeStateDemocrat |
Jul-05-05 06:05 PM |
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Heh. Please try to be less shocked... |
Voltaire99 |
Jul-06-05 12:00 AM |
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If you make a deal with the Devil... |
MojoXN |
Jul-06-05 10:06 AM |
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The so-called "deal" |
Hardknock |
Jul-06-05 02:01 PM |
#130 |
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