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3. Filibuster Deal Puts Democrats In a Bind
Democrats' hopes of blocking a staunchly conservative Supreme Court nominee on ideological grounds could be seriously undermined by the six-week-old bipartisan deal on judicial nominees, key senators said yesterday. With President Bush expected to name a successor to Justice Sandra Day O'Connor next week, liberals are laying the groundwork to challenge the nominee if he or she leans solidly to the right on affirmative action, abortion and other contentious issues.

But even if they can show that the nominee has sharply held views on matters that divide many Americans, some of the 14 senators who crafted the May 23 compromise appear poised to prevent that strategy from blocking confirmation to the high court, according to numerous interviews.

The pact, signed by seven Democrats and seven Republicans, says a judicial nominee will be filibustered only under "extraordinary circumstances." Key members of the group said yesterday that a nominee's philosophical views cannot amount to "extraordinary circumstances" and that therefore a filibuster can be justified only on questions of personal ethics or character.

The distinction is crucial because Democrats want to force Bush to pick a centrist, not a staunch conservative as many activist groups on the political right desire. Holding only 44 of the Senate's 100 seats, Democrats have no way to block a Republican-backed nominee without employing a filibuster, which takes 60 votes to stop
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  -Filibuster deal could thwart efforts to nix conservative Supreme nominee MelissaB  Jul-03-05 09:45 PM   #0 
  - BS!!  ixion   Jul-03-05 09:48 PM   #1 
  - What's the point of this deal, if extraodinary circumstances NEVER happen?  calipendence   Jul-03-05 10:22 PM   #4 
  - The "Deal" was "NO DEAL for America"  Born Free   Jul-04-05 05:05 AM   #17 
  - One correction (imho)  pokercat999   Jul-04-05 07:01 AM   #19 
  - When this so-called "Deal" was forged I immediately called BS on the Dems  Pachamama   Jul-04-05 01:10 PM   #67 
  - Extraordinary circumstances do happen  ikojo   Jul-04-05 09:01 AM   #25 
  - The point was to get their judges and 'fuck the democrats'  spanone   Jul-04-05 09:21 AM   #28 
  - I never liked the McCain/Reid deal.  jurassicpork   Jul-04-05 01:55 PM   #75 
  - Here's the hook  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-04-05 02:49 PM   #84 
     - Uh, it's dead girl or live boy  Eloriel   Jul-05-05 08:43 AM   #113 
        - Times have changed  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-05-05 09:33 AM   #116 
  - Clintonista Centrists Just Don't Have Spines to Stand Up for Anything  GoreDean2008   Jul-04-05 11:07 AM   #51 
  - Nice deal.  Gloria   Jul-03-05 09:49 PM   #2 
  - Filibuster Deal Puts Democrats In a Bind  cal04   Jul-03-05 10:18 PM   #3 
  - this is contrary to other reports that "extraordinary circumstances" were  spooky3   Jul-04-05 04:57 AM   #16 
  - EXACTLY.  Skinner   Jul-04-05 08:49 AM   #22 
  - yep, they're merely settin' the stage...  JRob   Jul-04-05 07:25 PM   #97 
  - Check Janice Brown  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-04-05 02:56 PM   #87 
  - What a bunch of crap.  Skinner   Jul-04-05 08:48 AM   #21 
  - unless you get to the extreme of either side  Toots   Jul-04-05 08:58 AM   #24 
  - I read it the same way, Skinner  wryter2000   Jul-04-05 09:34 AM   #31 
  -'s right behind his Platinum American Express card.  JRob   Jul-04-05 07:29 PM   #98 
  - Don't have the text, but if memory serves me, the purposeful vagueness of  Pachamama   Jul-04-05 01:26 PM   #69 
  - Why not?  jurassicpork   Jul-04-05 02:10 PM   #78 
     - Oh really? They held a vote and the GOP said no? Are you certain?  Pachamama   Jul-04-05 07:45 PM   #101 
        - You're EXACTLY RIGHT re Gonzalez -- READ THIS, people  Eloriel   Jul-05-05 10:03 AM   #117 
           - Ruse....that's the word I was looking for....  Pachamama   Jul-06-05 12:33 AM   #128 
  - You're overlooking the precedent that was created  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-04-05 02:55 PM   #85 
  - This is what I have believed & feared...and knowing one of our DU Legal  Pachamama   Jul-04-05 07:53 PM   #103 
  - It creates no precedent. A political compromise to allow votes  spooky3   Jul-05-05 03:58 PM   #123 
  - The problem is that Biden doesn't speak for the 14  enough already   Jul-05-05 06:42 AM   #108 
  - Hey, Skinner, I sent a tip to this out:  spooky3   Jul-05-05 03:56 PM   #122 
  - That deal allowed us to fight another day, so let's fight them  Strawman   Jul-05-05 11:00 AM   #118 
  - Is this deal  Mz Pip   Jul-03-05 10:24 PM   #5 
  - Isn't this called a double-cross? What the hell good was this "deal"?  confludemocrat   Jul-03-05 10:49 PM   #6 
  - what if they just renominate one of the judges from the deal?  pocket   Jul-03-05 11:10 PM   #7 
  - I'd say "lack of experience" could be an extreme circumstance  orangepeel68   Jul-04-05 12:00 PM   #56 
  - Supreme court is a vastly more important position.  dmordue   Jul-04-05 02:08 PM   #77 
  - I would suggest  MadisonProgressive   Jul-03-05 11:20 PM   #8 
  - Thank you Ben Nelson  CityDem   Jul-03-05 11:22 PM   #9 
  - That accusation is unfair  ElTexican   Jul-04-05 04:12 AM   #15 
  - Welcome to DU, Texican  wryter2000   Jul-04-05 09:35 AM   #33 
  - Your number 2 is some nice spin  Emerson   Jul-04-05 04:35 PM   #91 
  - I agree  depakid   Jul-04-05 03:32 PM   #90 
  - Any REPRESENTATIVE who plays along with this sham  Malikshah   Jul-03-05 11:23 PM   #10 
  - So throw out the deal  high density   Jul-03-05 11:26 PM   #11 
  - agreed  upoceg   Jul-04-05 01:46 PM   #73 
     - Exactly  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-04-05 02:59 PM   #88 
        - Yes clinton did fine  Emerson   Jul-04-05 04:38 PM   #92 
  - So since only Republicans have superior ethics and character  pinkpops   Jul-03-05 11:34 PM   #12 
  - Sure was a great deal ...  ngGale   Jul-03-05 11:35 PM   #13 
  - Unfortunately, even Reid has suggested pro-life nominees ...  ElTexican   Jul-04-05 04:10 AM   #14 
  - Interesting terminology you use  Emerson   Jul-04-05 04:43 PM   #93 
     - I asked my friend Pete. His response was wavy lines coming out of his head  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-05-05 11:10 AM   #119 
  - What were they thinking?  BooScout   Jul-04-05 06:18 AM   #18 
  - Since when did being fair and honest come into it?  goclark   Jul-04-05 07:15 AM   #20 
  - Cow pies! Here's a link to the text of the so-called deal:  struggle4progress   Jul-04-05 08:50 AM   #23 
  - THANK YOU!  Skinner   Jul-04-05 09:05 AM   #26 
  - Yeah, that's key: "each signatory must use his or her own discretion..."  confludemocrat   Jul-04-05 02:07 PM   #76 
  - This is why I don't let my emotions...  Andromeda   Jul-05-05 04:59 AM   #107 
     - No false conclusions here...  mirrera   Jul-05-05 07:58 AM   #111 
  - This article also shows some infighting that may occur  Carla in Ca   Jul-04-05 05:00 PM   #95 
  - Simple answer  CoolOnion   Jul-04-05 09:16 AM   #27 
  - "...we don't need no steeenkin deals"  marty13   Jul-04-05 09:30 AM   #30 
     - Hi, Marty!  wryter2000   Jul-04-05 09:37 AM   #35 
     - It'll be interesting to see who he picks  CoolOnion   Jul-04-05 09:44 AM   #40 
     - Welcome to DU, Marty 13!  rocknation   Jul-04-05 09:50 AM   #42 
     - Welcome to DU Marty13.  Chipper Chat   Jul-04-05 01:46 PM   #74 
  - Hmmm  wryter2000   Jul-04-05 09:30 AM   #29 
  - The Republican spin kickoff....  Neecy   Jul-04-05 09:34 AM   #32 
  - Exactly--the Washington Post article is by STENO SUE SCHMIDT  pacoyogi   Jul-04-05 12:20 PM   #57 
  - Whatever.  scdusek   Jul-04-05 09:36 AM   #34 
  - Welcome to DU  wryter2000   Jul-04-05 09:38 AM   #37 
  - An interesting issue--property rights  CoolOnion   Jul-04-05 10:03 AM   #45 
  - I'd say taking away more of my rights constitutes  yy4me   Jul-04-05 09:37 AM   #36 
  - When Owen and Brown were part of this deal  adigal   Jul-04-05 09:41 AM   #38 
  - You should know a pre-emptive strike when you see one by now  rocknation   Jul-04-05 09:42 AM   #39 
  - You are sooooo right--this article is  pacoyogi   Jul-04-05 12:23 PM   #58 
  - Agree, contentless speculation; bad journalsim, were used to it (n/t)  confludemocrat   Jul-04-05 02:12 PM   #79 
  - Yep, the deal is turning out to be the 'no-win-no-way rollover and kiss  acmavm   Jul-04-05 09:46 AM   #41 
  - Gonzalez would qualify as "extra-ordinary circumstances"  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jul-04-05 09:54 AM   #43 
  - Gonzales has been declared a "no-go" by the religious right....  Olney Blue   Jul-04-05 11:19 AM   #52 
  - if the dems had stood their ground without this giveaway  ooglymoogly   Jul-04-05 09:57 AM   #44 
  - Dumb question here.  Proud_Lefty   Jul-04-05 10:12 AM   #46 
  - Not a dumb question Proud Lefty! Very good question indeed!  Pachamama   Jul-04-05 01:33 PM   #70 
     - Thanks  Proud_Lefty   Jul-04-05 01:39 PM   #72 
        - WWFD?  jurassicpork   Jul-04-05 02:13 PM   #80 
           - Hard to address this without sarcasm  Proud_Lefty   Jul-04-05 02:55 PM   #86 
  - Of course if the nuclear option was inacted...  dmordue   Jul-04-05 10:14 AM   #47 
  - IF...? What is different?  mirrera   Jul-05-05 08:30 AM   #112 
  - If Dubya names a rightwing ideologue to replace O'Connor ...  damntexdem   Jul-04-05 10:37 AM   #48 
  - fuck 'em  woosh   Jul-04-05 10:50 AM   #49 
  - Would they actually pay though????  HannibalBarca   Jul-04-05 02:29 PM   #83 
  - I hate the 14  adarling   Jul-04-05 10:59 AM   #50 
  - What happens if they outlaw the fillibuster as threatened.  dmordue   Jul-04-05 11:28 AM   #53 
     - i feel like they are going to try and do it anyways  adarling   Jul-04-05 12:36 PM   #63 
     - I agree..if they don't think about the future, they get what they deserve!  drmom   Jul-04-05 07:34 PM   #99 
     - America then hopefully wakes up & sees the GOP as what they really are?  Pachamama   Jul-04-05 01:36 PM   #71 
     - What would happen w/o the filibuster?  jurassicpork   Jul-04-05 02:17 PM   #81 
        - i know, isn't it great?  adarling   Jul-05-05 03:03 PM   #120 
           - Andrew  jurassicpork   Jul-05-05 03:50 PM   #121 
              - thank you  adarling   Jul-05-05 04:52 PM   #124 
  - Why can't the Dems come out with spin like this?  gulliver   Jul-04-05 11:36 AM   #54 
  - Sold out again by our leadership, corrupt or inane?  FreeStateDemocrat   Jul-04-05 12:27 PM   #59 
  - Fascists are naturally better at propoganda! (n/m)  Knight of Ni   Jul-04-05 12:42 PM   #64 
  - By definition, a supreme court appointment is "extraordinary."  tedoll78   Jul-04-05 11:53 AM   #55 
  - WHITE HOUSE SPIN TO DISCOURAGE REPUB. MODERATES----  pacoyogi   Jul-04-05 12:30 PM   #60 
  - Christ. What a bunch of dewy-eyed innocents. I said the deal was bad  Pryderi   Jul-04-05 12:30 PM   #61 
  - You are playing into the Republican spin machine.  pacoyogi   Jul-04-05 12:33 PM   #62 
     - That's what I thought when I saw it...consider the source, but do we  MelissaB   Jul-04-05 12:49 PM   #65 
     - We don't ignore it, but I think the response is to do what Skinner  pacoyogi   Jul-04-05 12:58 PM   #66 
        - This is nuts!!!  wake.up.america   Jul-04-05 01:20 PM   #68 
        - I was against the deal but it is likely they discussed future SC nominees  confludemocrat   Jul-04-05 02:23 PM   #82 
        - fuck 'em both... whatever happens they win!  JRob   Jul-04-05 07:54 PM   #104 
     - Didn't preserve much  CityDem   Jul-04-05 03:19 PM   #89 
     - exactly! and what did we get in the "deal"? the right of a reach-around?  JRob   Jul-04-05 07:57 PM   #105 
     - The analysis of what actually happened  OldLeftieLawyer   Jul-04-05 04:57 PM   #94 
        - So will Gorgie pick a Judge or pick a Fight???  Fla4kerry   Jul-04-05 05:30 PM   #96 
        - thank you, thank you, thank you!  JRob   Jul-04-05 08:01 PM   #106 
  - As in "Gonzales," maybe...  AuntiBush   Jul-04-05 07:41 PM   #100 
  - The Democrats Need to Define "extaordinary circumstances"  spanone   Jul-04-05 07:48 PM   #102 
  - Too late. They have already effectively pounced.  The Stranger   Jul-05-05 08:56 AM   #115 
  - Argh!!!!  muchacho   Jul-05-05 07:00 AM   #109 
  - We were all screaming about this when it happened,  mirrera   Jul-05-05 07:17 AM   #110 
  - Come on, people. That is an EASY one.  The Stranger   Jul-05-05 08:55 AM   #114 
  - If the nominee is a rightwing  mmonk   Jul-05-05 05:12 PM   #125 
  - You are a democrat of good moral character unlike some who are elected  FreeStateDemocrat   Jul-05-05 06:05 PM   #126 
  - Heh. Please try to be less shocked...  Voltaire99   Jul-06-05 12:00 AM   #127 
  - If you make a deal with the Devil...  MojoXN   Jul-06-05 10:06 AM   #129 
  - The so-called "deal"  Hardknock   Jul-06-05 02:01 PM   #130 

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