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56. bush... born again, or not?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6115719 /

Bush — born again, or not?
The president has never clarified his conversion narrative

By Alex Johnson
Reporter
MSNBC
Updated: 6:57 p.m. ET Sept. 28, 2004
Any discussion of President Bush’s presumed evangelicalism is complicated. Evangelicalism is a style of worship, not a set of beliefs, and to a large extent evangelical Protestants are defined by their personal stories of faith and by whom they choose as their pastor. But core to many evangelicals’ identity is the “born-again” experience described in John 3:3, when a sinner undergoes an intense conversion during a personal interaction with the Holy Spirit, often Jesus Himself. George Bush has not said directly that he was ever born again. He has often said he was pointed on the path to God after a discussion with evangelist Billy Graham in 1985.

“Over the course of that weekend, Reverend Graham planted a mustard seed in my soul, a seed that grew over the next year,” Bush wrote in his 1999 campaign autobiography, “A Charge to Keep.”
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There is a second story about how Bush started on the road to salvation, one that is more in line with the common narrative. While Bush has never confirmed it, he has also never contradicted it, nor has he apparently sought to reconcile the two accounts.

Evangelist Arthur Blessitt, best known for carrying a 12-foot cross around the world, writes that in 1984, Bush asked to see him and told him: “Arthur, I did not feel comfortable attending the meeting, but I want talk to you about how to know Jesus Christ and how to follow Him.”
The two men and an aide prayed together and discussed salvation, Blessitt says in a long article on his Web site, which comes complete with photographs of Bush and Blessitt together and of personal, handwritten notes Bush wrote to him as late as 1998.
“It was an awesome and glorious moment!” Blessitt writes. “We were just three brothers rejoicing in Christ. I said ‘There is rejoicing in Heaven now! You are saved!’
Bush does not mention the episode in his autobiography. The Republican National Committee, however, approved the screening of a film, “George W. Bush: Faith in the White House,” at off-the-floor events during its national convention this month in New York; the film recounts the story and implies that Bush’s meeting with Blessitt was the true beginning of his spiritual rebirth.
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  -Clinton Honors Graham at Last Revival (BG:Bill should preach,Hill run US!) DeepModem Mom  Jun-25-05 08:35 PM   #0 
  - Clinton has told the story many times of Graham  lancdem   Jun-25-05 08:38 PM   #1 
  - Is he really a Dem?  PaDem   Jun-25-05 08:40 PM   #2 
  - I just read it a few days ago, but I forget where  lancdem   Jun-25-05 08:42 PM   #4 
  - Here's another one with an interesting quote  Tinksrival   Jun-25-05 09:38 PM   #22 
  - I hear the Freepers gasping in horror.  bribri16   Jun-26-05 07:05 AM   #52 
  - Today show interview  Ms Turtle   Jun-26-05 09:52 AM   #62 
  - Thanks, Ms Turtle -- and welcome to DU!  DeepModem Mom   Jun-26-05 07:10 PM   #85 
  - Today show interview  Ms Turtle   Jun-26-05 09:52 AM   #63 
  - I don't have links, but believe that info has been posted here...  DeepModem Mom   Jun-25-05 08:42 PM   #5 
  - Here's one...  satya   Jun-25-05 08:46 PM   #9 
  - Graham campaigned for $hrub in 2000.  onager   Jun-25-05 08:48 PM   #10 
  - I don't remember him campaigning for anyone in 2000  lancdem   Jun-25-05 08:52 PM   #11 
     - More on "Democrat" Billy Grab'em...  onager   Jun-25-05 09:02 PM   #13 
        - That we even have a House chaplain blows my mind.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:21 PM   #88 
  - Here's another one..  zidzi   Jun-25-05 09:07 PM   #16 
  - Can't believe he gave Hillary a boost -- THAT...  DeepModem Mom   Jun-25-05 08:41 PM   #3 
  - He doesn't give a flying fig what they say  lancdem   Jun-25-05 08:44 PM   #7 
  - We should counter with..  zidzi   Jun-25-05 09:11 PM   #18 
  - A little wake up call to the evangelical Christians who think that means  Pirate Smile   Jun-25-05 09:27 PM   #20 
     - Mmmm. Keep your eye on BG DAUGHTER...she's the one... with  DrZeeLit   Jun-25-05 10:25 PM   #26 
  - Reading a biography of MLK,  wildeyed   Jun-26-05 07:46 AM   #53 
  - I thought I heard a loud noise.  Island Blue   Jun-25-05 08:44 PM   #6 
  - Robertson, I don't know how long, but Falwell will have to ask  tsuki   Jun-25-05 08:46 PM   #8 
  - What a wonderful article.....  journalist3072   Jun-25-05 08:55 PM   #12 
  - Is it true that Graham said that 9-11 happened b/c people in the US  stevans_41902   Jun-25-05 09:04 PM   #14 
  - It was Falwell and Robertson (gag, p'tui)  Hekate   Jun-25-05 09:17 PM   #19 
  - His beliefs did rub off. Franklin Graham is a narrow-minded bigot, too.  onager   Jun-25-05 09:09 PM   #17 
     - Thank you for injecting some much needed truth into this thread  mitchum   Jun-26-05 12:08 AM   #34 
        - I'll second that.  Straight Shooter   Jun-26-05 12:21 AM   #36 
        - Me too. I'm very disappointed in Clinton - this is just one of many.  TankLV   Jun-26-05 12:34 PM   #72 
        - Funny he's endorsing a Woman  antigone382   Jun-26-05 06:36 PM   #84 
        - Hello, look at what he does.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:23 PM   #89 
  - A story to really irk jr.  salin   Jun-25-05 09:05 PM   #15 
  - Yes, it's enough to drive jr back to drinking and coke. nt  VegasWolf   Jun-25-05 09:28 PM   #21 
  - I hope there is video of Graham praising the Clintons in NY.  vickie   Jun-25-05 10:02 PM   #23 
     - Oh, wow, I hope so, too. nt  DeepModem Mom   Jun-25-05 10:06 PM   #24 
     - I hope they use a non-stop video of this accolade in 2008 for Hillary!  PartyPooper   Jun-25-05 10:09 PM   #25 
  - Yes Graham Sr. is a democrat. Franklin is the stuffy one  Erika   Jun-25-05 10:34 PM   #27 
  - Franklin's a little more than "stuffy". He's an uneducated bigot.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:26 PM   #90 
  - Here's the sound of freeper heads exploding  gauguin57   Jun-25-05 10:41 PM   #28 
  - The most respected American evangelist praises the Clintons!  Erika   Jun-25-05 11:01 PM   #29 
  - Whoa, did they call Hillary HITLER?  Blue_In_AK   Jun-25-05 11:15 PM   #30 
  - Billy Graham honored the Clinton's tonight.  Erika   Jun-25-05 11:37 PM   #31 
  - I can only imagine how God feels about these phoney freeptard "christians"  buff2   Jun-26-05 12:40 AM   #39 
  - Fantastic post  Erika   Jun-26-05 01:11 AM   #45 
  - Unfortunatley, they're all around us - and teaching at the Air Force  TankLV   Jun-26-05 12:43 PM   #73 
  - No, he just says anti-Semitic things on tape...  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:27 PM   #91 
  - LOL  dwickham   Jun-26-05 01:02 AM   #42 
  - OMG! Hysterical Quote  Crisco   Jun-26-05 08:03 AM   #57 
  - Surprisingly, there were a couple of posts amid the babbling  BleedingHeartPatriot   Jun-26-05 09:19 AM   #61 
  - from another thread on Graham  bobbieinok   Jun-26-05 12:00 AM   #32 
  - I attended a Billy Graham crusade at the Astrodome  Blue_In_AK   Jun-26-05 02:52 AM   #51 
  - Last revival my ass! That fucker has "retired" more times than...  mitchum   Jun-26-05 12:04 AM   #33 
  - Billy Graham is 86  Erika   Jun-26-05 12:28 AM   #37 
  - "There's a sucker born every minute." PT Barnum, Great American  autorank   Jun-26-05 12:15 AM   #35 
  - What does your post refer to? n/t  Erika   Jun-26-05 12:30 AM   #38 
  - It probably refers to the narcotic qualities of religion...  IndianaGreen   Jun-26-05 12:49 AM   #40 
  - Billy Graham was respected by the world for his sermons  Erika   Jun-26-05 12:54 AM   #41 
     - Uh, if he is "at death's door", just how is he going to be campaigning...  mitchum   Jun-26-05 01:02 AM   #43 
        - Graham supported the Clintons 100%  Erika   Jun-26-05 01:09 AM   #44 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-05 01:16 AM   #46 
           - Let Hilliary run the country as Graham stated  Erika   Jun-26-05 01:33 AM   #47 
           - SEE POST #13 ABOVE FOR MORE ABOUT "DEMOCRAT" GRAHAM  mitchum   Jun-26-05 10:17 AM   #65 
           - Uh, no thanks.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:31 PM   #93 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-05 10:19 AM   #66 
              - Uh, I DID check the rules...  mitchum   Jun-26-05 12:10 PM   #71 
           - And he's an anti-Semite who hung out with Nixon and endorsed * in 2000.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:30 PM   #92 
  - Graham & his cohorts believe that I will suffer for eternity...  autorank   Jun-26-05 01:44 AM   #48 
     - Franklin Graham said that, not Billy Graham  Erika   Jun-26-05 01:50 AM   #49 
     - Here are the facts. They say I'm going to Hell, you too maybe.  autorank   Jun-26-05 02:42 AM   #50 
     - Fantastic post.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:33 PM   #94 
  - Barnum was an optimist  onager   Jun-26-05 01:17 PM   #77 
     - Amen sould brother!!!  autorank   Jun-26-05 05:52 PM   #81 
  - I don't trust him...if anything, this reminds me of Lee Atwater's deathbed  Vickers   Jun-26-05 07:48 AM   #54 
  - And you are correct  mitchum   Jun-26-05 10:15 AM   #64 
  - We don't need to trust him.  Sopianae   Jun-26-05 01:32 PM   #78 
     - It's not great - Dems are falling for the whitewash.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:36 PM   #95 
  - Now I'm convinced  shadowknows69   Jun-26-05 07:49 AM   #55 
  - That makes two of us  mitchum   Jun-26-05 10:20 AM   #67 
     - There are more of "us" than you can imagine.  TankLV   Jun-26-05 12:50 PM   #74 
        - Good! That is very encouraging news  mitchum   Jun-26-05 01:16 PM   #76 
  - bush... born again, or not?  truthisfreedom   Jun-26-05 08:01 AM   #56 
  - Thanks for posting this re. the mythology of Bush's Graham conversion --  DeepModem Mom   Jun-26-05 08:16 AM   #58 
  - ALERT, GUYS: THIS LINK NOW LINKS TO A DIFFERENT ARTICLE --  DeepModem Mom   Jun-26-05 08:49 AM   #59 
  - HERE IS A LINK TO THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE, IN THE UK GUARDIAN --  DeepModem Mom   Jun-26-05 08:52 AM   #60 
  - Well, Fred Phelps and Lyndon Larouche also identify themselves...  mitchum   Jun-26-05 10:23 AM   #68 
  - CNN is showing tape of Graham's remarks -- the article left out...  DeepModem Mom   Jun-26-05 10:33 AM   #69 
  - That cracker Graham's getting soft and milky.  Algorem   Jun-26-05 12:09 PM   #70 
  - As an atheist and secular humanist ...  Trajan   Jun-26-05 12:59 PM   #75 
  - It's not hatred to point out the truth about Graham.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:39 PM   #96 
  - Graham also said he could understand women  CTyankee   Jun-26-05 02:32 PM   #79 
  - Any support is welcome.  Placebo   Jun-26-05 03:02 PM   #80 
  - The NeoCon Republicans and Freepers heads  ArnoldLayne   Jun-26-05 06:05 PM   #82 
  - Amazingly enough...  Fritz67   Jun-26-05 06:22 PM   #83 
  - Thanks, Fritz67 -- and welcome to DU!  DeepModem Mom   Jun-26-05 07:13 PM   #86 
  - Wow.  Zhade   Jun-26-05 07:16 PM   #87 
  - Some Fundies Upset With Graham  tweets   Jun-26-05 07:41 PM   #97 
     - Oh, my Lord, so to speak -- the Rev. Schenck walked out!  DeepModem Mom   Jun-26-05 07:51 PM   #98 
 

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