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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:52 AM
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67. "being bothered by what I saw {concerning race}" - this made me think of
the wonderful Molly Ivins and something she wrote, so I went and looked it up.

In the intro to her first book, "Molly Ivins Can't Say That, Can She?" she writes:

"I'm supposed to explain myself in this introduction - specifically, how come I came out so strange. Having been properly reared by a right-wing family in East Texas, how'd I turn out this peculiar? I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point - race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.
If you grew up white before the civil rights movement anywhere in the South, all grown-ups lied. They'd tell you stuff like, "Don't drink out of the colored fountain, dear, it's dirty." In the white part of town, the white fountain was always covered with chewing gum and the marks of grubby kids' paws, and the colored fountain was always clean. Children can be horribly logical."
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  -Philadelphia Mandates Black History for Graduation wildeyed  Jun-25-05 07:15 AM   #0 
  - I wonder if the course mentions all the amazing African Americans who have  fasttense   Jun-25-05 07:20 AM   #1 
  - Sounds comprehensive.  wildeyed   Jun-25-05 07:28 AM   #2 
     - Sounds selective.  igil   Jun-25-05 11:29 AM   #12 
        - African-American history  bpilgrim   Jun-25-05 11:50 AM   #16 
           - Not mostly, but partly.  igil   Jun-25-05 01:19 PM   #19 
  - I think the course is a great idea  LARED   Jun-25-05 07:30 AM   #3 
  - Other specific courses are required for graduation.  wildeyed   Jun-25-05 07:37 AM   #4 
     - Perhaps things have changes since I was in high school  LARED   Jun-25-05 08:54 AM   #5 
     - when I graduated HS (1994)  Heddi   Jun-27-05 03:55 PM   #85 
     - Good, it should be  gorbal   Jun-26-05 12:32 PM   #74 
  - What an emphatically stupid idea...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 09:06 AM   #6 
  - short sighted  SemperEadem   Jun-25-05 09:51 AM   #7 
  - In the Texas adopted US History text, there is exactly one mention  mbperrin   Jun-25-05 11:19 AM   #11 
  - This is not an inclusive text...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 01:21 PM   #20 
  - We do study history, all history, piecemeal. Trouble is, we don't  mbperrin   Jun-25-05 01:36 PM   #23 
  - "how the South slave states could never beat the North"????  kath   Jun-26-05 11:34 AM   #65 
  - I forgot to mention that idea of the inclusive text won't work - this IS  mbperrin   Jun-25-05 01:37 PM   #24 
     - Texas textbook decisions effect the entire USA  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 02:05 PM   #27 
     - Yes that is true  proud2Blib   Jun-25-05 08:11 PM   #38 
  - Your post reminds me  ninkasi   Jun-25-05 03:15 PM   #29 
     - Thank you. In Odessa, where I grew up and live now,  mbperrin   Jun-25-05 06:29 PM   #33 
     - Hey, I just finished reading Friday Night Lights  Bill McBlueState   Jun-26-05 09:36 AM   #51 
        - There ARE some! But it can get a bit lonely here 20 miles  mbperrin   Jun-26-05 09:40 AM   #52 
     - "being bothered by what I saw {concerning race}" - this made me think of  kath   Jun-26-05 11:52 AM   #67 
  - in your opinion - in my opinion it is a wonderful idea, embarrassing late  bpilgrim   Jun-25-05 11:40 AM   #14 
  - Point A and B should come after Point C  Kipling   Jun-25-05 01:14 PM   #17 
  - How is that going to happen, I wonder?  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 01:25 PM   #21 
  - In some countries, they don't allow the festering shit holes to get  wildeyed   Jun-25-05 01:45 PM   #25 
     - It's called a telephone  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 02:02 PM   #26 
     - 'k, you are officially invited to my city to carry out your plan of attack  wildeyed   Jun-25-05 02:15 PM   #28 
     - Murdered by drug dealers  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 06:20 PM   #32 
     - Huh?  wildeyed   Jun-25-05 06:37 PM   #34 
     - lol  bpilgrim   Jun-25-05 07:48 PM   #35 
        - I'm repeating nonsense from this board...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 09:57 PM   #40 
           - "Crime Is Hope?" - more RW wacko talking points  bpilgrim   Jun-25-05 11:11 PM   #46 
              - See Post #17  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-26-05 10:35 AM   #56 
                 - you are missing the point  bpilgrim   Jun-26-05 10:39 AM   #57 
                    - Thanks for being so condescending...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-26-05 11:21 AM   #63 
     - It's common knowledge  VRine   Jun-28-05 01:16 AM   #87 
     - Have you ever lived or worked in  proud2Blib   Jun-25-05 08:18 PM   #39 
        - Yes to both...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 10:02 PM   #41 
           - Not much activity like that here in my city  proud2Blib   Jun-25-05 10:17 PM   #42 
           - Don't fixate on ice cream socials...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-25-05 11:01 PM   #44 
              - I work in the hood  proud2Blib   Jun-25-05 11:07 PM   #45 
                 - Dumbest Policy Change Ever...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-26-05 10:32 AM   #55 
                    - Our former mayor who is now the US congressman  proud2Blib   Jun-26-05 10:52 AM   #59 
                       - Same in my old suburb...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-26-05 11:24 AM   #64 
           - I have lived in "those" neighborhoods.  wildeyed   Jun-26-05 07:30 AM   #49 
     - YES, in many European countries, they WON the "war on poverty" and  kath   Jun-26-05 11:55 AM   #68 
     - And what countries are these  XemaSab   Jun-27-05 05:32 PM   #86 
  - People born on welfare have become CEOs, successful entrepreneurs,  wildeyed   Jun-25-05 01:36 PM   #22 
     - What unadulterated horsecrap...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-26-05 11:11 AM   #61 
        - I think it is called the talented 10%.  wildeyed   Jun-26-05 12:05 PM   #69 
        - Missed the point by a mile...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-26-05 06:30 PM   #80 
           - And that is fine.  wildeyed   Jun-26-05 07:01 PM   #82 
        - Many valid points there  pie   Jun-26-05 12:10 PM   #70 
  - What in God's name makes you think  bezdomny   Jun-25-05 10:29 PM   #43 
  - Well said, bezdomny. n/t  wildeyed   Jun-26-05 07:15 AM   #48 
  - And your post...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-26-05 11:19 AM   #62 
     - You know what, this is only your opinion.  wildeyed   Jun-26-05 12:14 PM   #71 
        - OK, Let's be clear then...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Jun-26-05 06:23 PM   #79 
           - I don't think teaching black history is the school board's  wildeyed   Jun-26-05 06:51 PM   #81 
  - i agree with some of what you say, however...  zinndependence   Jun-26-05 02:40 PM   #78 
  - it sounds like you need to take this class for yourself  mark414   Jun-27-05 03:49 PM   #84 
  - Where's the required course on Native American history?  lynne   Jun-25-05 10:52 AM   #8 
  - No, they don't count either, in the Eurocentric vision of America  downstairsparts   Jun-25-05 10:59 AM   #10 
  - there are a lot of folks left out, lets hope this starts a needed trend  bpilgrim   Jun-25-05 11:42 AM   #15 
  - Only took 40 years too  downstairsparts   Jun-25-05 10:54 AM   #9 
  - Link.  igil   Jun-25-05 11:36 AM   #13 
  - I just think it's sad  deadparrot   Jun-25-05 01:19 PM   #18 
  - Good.  Zhade   Jun-25-05 03:40 PM   #30 
  - Dumb Idea. Sorry. n/t  Rockholm   Jun-25-05 03:49 PM   #31 
  - how can teaching history be 'dumb'?  bpilgrim   Jun-25-05 07:50 PM   #36 
  - This is surprising  proud2Blib   Jun-25-05 08:06 PM   #37 
  - Philadelphia the first major city to require such a course for HS grad  bpilgrim   Jun-25-05 11:16 PM   #47 
     - Now I question the veracity of the rest of the article  proud2Blib   Jun-26-05 10:01 AM   #53 
        - is it a REQUIREMENT for HS graduation?  bpilgrim   Jun-26-05 10:24 AM   #54 
           - My colleagues who teach Social Studies say yes it is  proud2Blib   Jun-26-05 10:40 AM   #58 
              - what city?  bpilgrim   Jun-26-05 11:44 AM   #66 
                 - kick  bpilgrim   Jun-27-05 12:19 AM   #83 
  - Teaching this course will never solve all the problems  fasttense   Jun-26-05 08:23 AM   #50 
  - And a very good thing too n/t  Vladimir   Jun-26-05 11:01 AM   #60 
  - At first I thought this was a stupid idea.  Merlin   Jun-26-05 12:27 PM   #72 
  - Excellent  bicentennial_baby   Jun-26-05 12:29 PM   #73 
  - African American history is distinctly AMERICAN history. The role African  NNguyenMD   Jun-26-05 01:12 PM   #75 
  - In an ideal world,  proud2Blib   Jun-26-05 01:56 PM   #76 
  - great idea...however, wouldn't it be nice...  zinndependence   Jun-26-05 02:22 PM   #77 
 

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