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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:58 AM
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68. You don't always know who is low risk
When I had my first child, I'd have been considered low risk. I was 30 years old, in good health, no pregnancy complications, good prenatal care, I ate well, didn't smoke or drink.

I was in labor for almost 24 hours and had not progressed beyond 4 centimeters. I just did not progress at all. I walked, I talked, I did it all- nothing. (And I did not have an epidural so nothing was slowing things down.)

Finally, I had a section- I don't know what would have happened had I been at home- would I have labored for 30 hours, 40 hours? Would the baby have been compromised in some way? Hard to say, but it sure as hell didn't look like I was progressing- after 24 hours I was given pitocin- 2 hours later I was at 5 centimeters- then I got the epidural and the section. I'm fine, my daughter is 14 and an honor roll student. Would it be worth the risk to damage her? I don't think so. Plus it was January and it snowed heavily the day she was born. Had I delivered at home and had she (or I ) needed immediate medical attention, we'd have been stuck.

With my son, I had a sono at 38 weeks because I was VERY large and had only gained 22 pounds- they calculated the fetal weight at about 9 pounds and scheduled me for a section- (since I had had one before, they didn't want me to risk passing such a large baby) (I am only 5 feet talland weigh 120 when I'm not with child.)

Well he was 7-11, but when they took him out the cord was around his neck, chest and thigh. He was triple wrapped. Had I actually gone into labor and he had descended, he'd have strangled. Maybe he'd be a spastic quad, maybe he'd be retarded, maybe he'd have been dead. But he's a bright funny 11 year old and I'm fine.

So statistics can be what they are. Personally, I'm glad I didn't have home births. I probably wouldn't have lived through the first pregnancy to lose the second.
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  -Childbirth at Home as Safe as Hospital Delivery: Study HuckleB  Jun-17-05 05:58 AM   #0 
  - In other words, home delivery = money saved by insurance companies.  patricia92243   Jun-17-05 06:01 AM   #1 
  - Perhaps.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 06:04 AM   #2 
  - Unless you have a complication in delivery. e/o/m  Skwmom   Jun-17-05 08:22 AM   #15 
  - Wrong. -- Did you read the article?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 08:59 AM   #21 
     - Yes.  Skwmom   Jun-17-05 09:04 AM   #25 
        - Again, that's not what the research shows.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:10 AM   #29 
        - The safety of the child is not compromised?  Skwmom   Jun-17-05 11:00 AM   #58 
           - In other words, why do research?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 11:20 AM   #61 
        - One thing to consider is that deliveries handled by CNM/CMs  AllyCat   Jun-20-05 10:28 AM   #168 
  - Maternal deaths  Scairp   Jun-17-05 04:29 PM   #124 
     - Yeah, it's crap.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 04:32 PM   #125 
     - Infection and poor prenatal care are the root cause of much  fleabert   Jun-17-05 05:16 PM   #130 
     - Hospitals are safer?  athenap   Jun-17-05 05:50 PM   #137 
        - Infections...that reminded me of this article in my local paper last week.  oblivious   Jun-17-05 06:40 PM   #148 
  - That was my first thought exactly. n/t  Cobalt Violet   Jun-17-05 06:17 AM   #4 
  - Got it in one.  Caution   Jun-17-05 06:41 AM   #8 
  - Wow! Talk about a broad brush!  meganmonkey   Jun-17-05 06:49 AM   #9 
  - exactly  shanti   Jun-17-05 01:07 PM   #85 
  - I don't think you know how much training it takes to be a  Ilsa   Jun-17-05 08:13 AM   #14 
  - Hmm. Then why aren't you following the actual science?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:26 AM   #34 
  - I'd never choose a home birth for myself  missb   Jun-17-05 11:36 AM   #64 
  - Thanks for sharing.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 11:41 AM   #65 
  - I ask that you please conduct a little research before you slam an  fleabert   Jun-17-05 12:23 PM   #71 
  - thank you for mentioning ina may gaskin  shanti   Jun-17-05 01:10 PM   #87 
     - her new one was published in 2003, it's even better!  fleabert   Jun-17-05 01:15 PM   #90 
        - yes, the farm!  shanti   Jun-17-05 01:36 PM   #99 
           - hi there!  fleabert   Jun-17-05 02:27 PM   #103 
  - your hubris is breathtaking  shanti   Jun-17-05 01:05 PM   #84 
  - Wrong! You are so wrong.  PunkPop   Jun-17-05 01:28 PM   #95 
  - the more times I read this awful post, the madder I get.  fleabert   Jun-17-05 05:52 PM   #138 
  - I wondered the same thing.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:34 PM   #155 
  - Don't knock it until you've tried it  SemperEadem   Jun-20-05 06:00 PM   #172 
  - Wow. I would suggest you do a little research  Ms. Toad   Jun-17-05 07:27 AM   #10 
  - no.  fleabert   Jun-17-05 12:27 PM   #72 
     - Indeed.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 12:32 PM   #75 
        - crazy isnt' it?  fleabert   Jun-17-05 12:52 PM   #81 
        - Thanks.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 04:49 PM   #128 
        - They will cover pre natal care...  Ms. Toad   Jun-17-05 02:09 PM   #102 
           - Most midwives give the prenatal care themselves.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 04:22 PM   #119 
              - Unfortunately, not everywhere is that enlightened.  Ms. Toad   Jun-17-05 10:17 PM   #152 
                 - Yeah, I sometimes forget just how good we've got it out here in the west.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:30 PM   #154 
  - Frankly, after giving birth twice those midwives better arrive at  merbex   Jun-17-05 06:06 AM   #3 
  - no to the Drugs....  wakeme2008   Jun-17-05 06:20 AM   #5 
  - unmedicated birth in the hospital is usually described as much  fleabert   Jun-17-05 12:31 PM   #74 
  - Did they know that the mother was going to have twins?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 12:35 PM   #78 
  - yep!  fleabert   Jun-17-05 01:13 PM   #88 
  - wow  shanti   Jun-17-05 01:17 PM   #91 
     - I'd have to pull out some books, but I remeber reading that  fleabert   Jun-17-05 01:22 PM   #92 
  - lol, i was just the opposite  shanti   Jun-17-05 01:15 PM   #89 
  - Duh  tavalon   Jun-17-05 06:33 AM   #6 
  - I was born at home.  Archae   Jun-17-05 06:38 AM   #7 
  - planned or accidental?  fleabert   Jun-17-05 01:31 PM   #97 
     - Planned.  Archae   Jun-17-05 02:44 PM   #104 
        - what an awesome mom you have!  fleabert   Jun-17-05 02:47 PM   #106 
        - So did Denver...  GoddessOfGuinness   Jun-20-05 05:49 PM   #171 
  - I was probably not "low risk"  UpInArms   Jun-17-05 07:32 AM   #11 
  - Hospital "birthing rooms" are a reasonable compromise  Maeve   Jun-17-05 08:49 AM   #19 
     - although I went to a small hospital  UpInArms   Jun-17-05 08:57 AM   #20 
     - Great post.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:19 AM   #32 
     - Great options - BUT...  Ms. Toad   Jun-17-05 10:30 PM   #153 
  - What was the NUMBER ONE KILLER OF WOMEN about 100 years ago  bleedingheart   Jun-17-05 07:41 AM   #12 
  - Did you read the article?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:00 AM   #22 
  - yes and to be honest I am very much against promoting this for everyone  bleedingheart   Jun-17-05 09:36 AM   #36 
     - The necessary tests are done.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:39 AM   #37 
     - Midwives are trained in infant cpr and bring O2 to every birth.  fleabert   Jun-17-05 12:35 PM   #77 
     - Anyone opposed to home birth should read  gollygee   Jun-17-05 01:24 PM   #93 
        - and A Good Birth, A Safe Birth, by Korte and Scaer...and  fleabert   Jun-17-05 01:28 PM   #96 
           - Oh did I put that as a reply to your post?  gollygee   Jun-17-05 01:38 PM   #100 
     - I don't think people are promoting homebirth as right for everyone  conflictgirl   Jun-21-05 12:42 AM   #179 
  - INFECTION  fleabert   Jun-17-05 12:41 PM   #79 
  - I had all the appearances of low risk...  bleedingheart   Jun-17-05 03:21 PM   #113 
     - I cannot comment on your situation, but research shows that  fleabert   Jun-17-05 05:23 PM   #131 
  - Most deaths were due to infections.  SarahBelle   Jun-22-05 05:24 PM   #185 
  - Death during childbirth was also due to infection because there  Ilsa   Jun-17-05 08:00 AM   #13 
  - I find it odd that something so natural is treated like a major emergency.  BiggJawn   Jun-17-05 08:28 AM   #16 
  - Exactly.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:02 AM   #24 
  - Because Eve ate the apple  Danmel   Jun-17-05 11:24 AM   #62 
  - Indeed.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 11:26 AM   #63 
  - I thought Eve's apple gave us mensturation?  BiggJawn   Jun-17-05 04:28 PM   #123 
  - Humans do not because of our large heads and  shimmergal   Jun-20-05 11:27 PM   #178 
  - There was a good natural history programme on British TV recently  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-17-05 03:09 PM   #109 
  - Kudos on a great post, and an amazing father!  fleabert   Jun-17-05 05:25 PM   #132 
  - So true.....and this is something I resisted when I was pregnant.  DemExpat   Jun-17-05 05:58 PM   #140 
  - it is safer emotionally, spiritually and mentally for all couples.  genevat   Jun-17-05 08:29 AM   #17 
  - I had three children at home  gate of the sun   Jun-17-05 08:29 AM   #18 
  - The article focuses on Low-Risk groups, but  Kittycat   Jun-17-05 09:02 AM   #23 
  - I don't know any midwife who would have done that.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:07 AM   #26 
     - Believe it or not...  Kittycat   Jun-17-05 09:24 AM   #33 
        - Sounds like a truly bizarre case, all the way around.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:30 AM   #35 
           - my first got stuck in the birth canal...and luckily the hospital had a  bleedingheart   Jun-17-05 10:14 AM   #43 
              - I don't know the details of your case.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:23 AM   #48 
                 - I had atypical pre-eclampsia  bleedingheart   Jun-17-05 10:40 AM   #55 
  - What about the issue of undetected problems because  Skwmom   Jun-17-05 09:07 AM   #27 
  - Most midwives follow-up with home visits for three days in a row,  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:14 AM   #30 
     - Kinda depends on the qualifications of the practitioner  triguy46   Jun-17-05 03:51 PM   #117 
        - ?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 04:23 PM   #120 
  - I was born at my grandmother's house  ninkasi   Jun-17-05 09:08 AM   #28 
  - I gave birth to my daughter at a birthing suite,  pacoyogi   Jun-17-05 09:17 AM   #31 
  - MORE: Caretakers of Homebirth: Doctors Who Come to You  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 09:48 AM   #38 
  - Yep, safe, unless you are in the unfortunate 5% of women  kanrok   Jun-17-05 09:59 AM   #39 
  - Thanks for the opinion.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:04 AM   #40 
  - On A Strictly Anecdotal Note:  jayfish   Jun-17-05 10:16 AM   #44 
  - Obviously I don't know the story.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:20 AM   #47 
     - No, These Were Post Delivery Problems.  jayfish   Jun-17-05 10:26 AM   #49 
        - Those do happen in home births.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:30 AM   #50 
        - My Situation Was Just The Opposite.  jayfish   Jun-17-05 10:37 AM   #53 
           - I appreciate it!  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:39 AM   #54 
        - Four weeks ago, I had my daughter at home  athenap   Jun-17-05 06:39 PM   #147 
           - Congratulations, athenap!  DemExpat   Jun-17-05 06:47 PM   #149 
  - It comes from experts in malpractice cases  kanrok   Jun-17-05 11:01 AM   #59 
     - So where are the studies to back up your claim?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 11:18 AM   #60 
     - If you want to have your child at home, be my guest  kanrok   Jun-17-05 11:44 AM   #66 
        - Umm. No, your opinion is not based in science.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 11:49 AM   #67 
        - Hmmm...I read the study  kanrok   Jun-17-05 12:28 PM   #73 
           - I appreciate your open mind, and your explanation regarding lit review.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 12:34 PM   #76 
           - you have a very open mind, I am impressed and  fleabert   Jun-17-05 12:59 PM   #82 
              - Thanks. Will do.  kanrok   Jun-17-05 06:03 PM   #141 
        - anecdotally...  fleabert   Jun-17-05 12:50 PM   #80 
           - I hear you.  kanrok   Jun-17-05 06:05 PM   #144 
     - A hospital is no guarantee  Ayesha   Jun-17-05 03:49 PM   #115 
     - You are absolutely correct.  kanrok   Jun-17-05 06:04 PM   #142 
     - As your story demonstrates, incompetence can occur  GoddessOfGuinness   Jun-20-05 06:08 PM   #173 
  - 5% failure rate  shanti   Jun-17-05 01:27 PM   #94 
  - I have to go.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:09 AM   #41 
  - I find it odd that with all of our medical advances,  Ilsa   Jun-17-05 10:13 AM   #42 
  - The Netherlands, with 35% of births at home is one.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:19 AM   #45 
  - Yes, I had both of my babies at home here in Holland in the '80s....  DemExpat   Jun-17-05 06:09 PM   #145 
  - I believe that the infant mortality stats may include more data today  bleedingheart   Jun-17-05 10:19 AM   #46 
  - Very true. The stats may be convoluted  Ilsa   Jun-17-05 10:30 AM   #51 
     - I think it is also are abysmal healthcare system  bleedingheart   Jun-17-05 10:32 AM   #52 
  - BINGO!  jhain   Jun-17-05 04:02 PM   #118 
     - hear hear!  fleabert   Jun-17-05 05:31 PM   #134 
  - My first daughter was breech  HockeyMom   Jun-17-05 10:46 AM   #56 
  - What a great doc!  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 10:50 AM   #57 
  - You don't always know who is low risk  Danmel   Jun-17-05 11:58 AM   #68 
  - You do know who is low risk.  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 12:03 PM   #69 
  - Long Labor  athenap   Jun-17-05 08:48 PM   #151 
  - LOL! -- Norwegian Princess speaks out on home births --  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 12:13 PM   #70 
  - in some cases, safer  shanti   Jun-17-05 01:00 PM   #83 
  - I find it very interesting that those that are in support of home birth  fleabert   Jun-17-05 01:10 PM   #86 
  - I totally agree with you!  Amaya   Jun-17-05 01:32 PM   #98 
  - congrats on two happy, healthy births  fleabert   Jun-17-05 02:51 PM   #107 
  - It is a personal choice  Stuckinthebush   Jun-17-05 01:58 PM   #101 
  - this is not the first study to produce these results  fleabert   Jun-17-05 02:45 PM   #105 
     - As much intensive training midwives may have  Stuckinthebush   Jun-17-05 03:05 PM   #108 
        - at the base of our feelings we agree.  fleabert   Jun-17-05 03:15 PM   #110 
        - Exactly  Stuckinthebush   Jun-17-05 03:19 PM   #112 
        - My daughter was born with a midwife at a hospital  gollygee   Jun-17-05 03:19 PM   #111 
           - Best of both worlds!  Stuckinthebush   Jun-17-05 03:42 PM   #114 
  - That isn't my experience  Pithlet   Jun-19-05 03:22 PM   #165 
     - There a "fundamentalists" of all stripes.  HuckleB   Jun-20-05 10:15 AM   #166 
  - birth 'em at home...  triguy46   Jun-17-05 03:50 PM   #116 
  - ?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 04:25 PM   #121 
  - Don't be an ass  Amaya   Jun-17-05 04:26 PM   #122 
  - mmmm-kay.  fleabert   Jun-17-05 05:27 PM   #133 
  - WTF?  LeftyMom   Jun-17-05 06:05 PM   #143 
  - Physicians and Advanced Practice Nurses. Another sacred cow goes south?  HuckleB   Jun-17-05 04:40 PM   #126 
  - I definitely do NOT plan to have my next child at home!  Radio_Lady   Jun-17-05 04:43 PM   #127 
  - I am sure glad my daughter was in a hospital!!!  KalicoKitty   Jun-17-05 04:54 PM   #129 
  - as has been stated time and time again in this thread.  fleabert   Jun-17-05 05:42 PM   #136 
  - Fine with me.  deadparrot   Jun-17-05 05:36 PM   #135 
  - no shit.  LeftyMom   Jun-17-05 05:57 PM   #139 
  - That sounds dead on  MountainLaurel   Jun-17-05 06:25 PM   #146 
  - Infernal Fetal Monitoring  athenap   Jun-18-05 10:00 AM   #156 
  - We finally told our labor/delivery nurse to just leave us alone  gollygee   Jun-18-05 08:28 PM   #158 
  - We had a daughter at home in '83  SHRED   Jun-17-05 07:34 PM   #150 
  - another great reason many families choose home birth, thanks for sharing!  fleabert   Jun-18-05 07:09 PM   #157 
  - I grew up the daughter of an obstetrician/gynecologist  kiraboo   Jun-18-05 09:14 PM   #159 
  - No offense, but that is the usual explanation.  HuckleB   Jun-19-05 11:37 AM   #160 
     - In my Dad's case, it was based on personal experience. No offense taken.  kiraboo   Jun-19-05 02:42 PM   #163 
  - Question for those in the know...  JackDragna   Jun-19-05 12:01 PM   #161 
  - The evidence of safety for home births says not necessarily.  HuckleB   Jun-20-05 10:19 AM   #167 
  - Sometimes I ponder this possibility when it comes to childbirth:  Ilsa   Jun-20-05 09:53 PM   #176 
  - Kicking For Important Topic  cryingshame   Jun-19-05 01:09 PM   #162 
  - At one point there were no hospitals. Plop, plop, there it is.  HypnoToad   Jun-19-05 02:50 PM   #164 
  - And a lot of women died, and a lot of babies died  shrike   Jun-20-05 11:55 AM   #169 
  - Indeed.  HuckleB   Jun-20-05 05:15 PM   #170 
  - Some first time mothers do not even know they are high risk until they  bunny planet   Jun-20-05 06:14 PM   #174 
  - ?  HuckleB   Jun-20-05 09:34 PM   #175 
     - Just giving my opinion based on my experience. I think it's safer to be  bunny planet   Jun-20-05 11:07 PM   #177 
        - Again, that doesn't mean you're high risk.  HuckleB   Jun-21-05 07:57 AM   #180 
           - Have you ever had a baby with a midwife or been to a maternity center?  bunny planet   Jun-21-05 10:44 AM   #181 
              - Have you read this thread?  HuckleB   Jun-21-05 02:52 PM   #182 
                 - My daughter had HELLP Syndrome  CTyankee   Jun-21-05 03:43 PM   #183 
  - There's been many studies done.  SarahBelle   Jun-22-05 05:22 PM   #184 
 

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