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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:44 AM
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42. Bad when they disagree with you, good when they agree?
If a big enough business uses its economic power to influence a country's policy, then you have corporations dictating to nations. When you suggest that a corporation as large as Microsoft not do business in China until China changes its policy, you're suggesting Microsoft do just that. That's all well and good as long as the corporation has what you would call "good" values, but when the corporation's values are contrary to what you would want, then you'd oppose it?

It's the principle of the thing. Nations are sovereign over corporations, not the other way around. If one will do business within a country, one will take care not to offend one's host. That might mean doing things one would not ordinarily do in one's own country.

I am curious about this:

Perhaps we need to do a bit more than state for the record what we would prefer in terms of human rights and environmental protection.

What do you do? I vote, make monetary contributions, write letters, sometimes go to demonstrations. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference. What would you suggest?
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  -Microsoft bans 'democracy' for China web users - Moneycentral grahamhgreen  Jun-12-05 08:19 AM   #0 
  - Another proud moment for microsoft,  agincourt   Jun-12-05 09:11 AM   #1 
  - Disgusting! American children are being slaughtered daily in Iraq so that  dArKeR   Jun-12-05 09:35 AM   #2 
  - do you intentionally spell it "demoncracy"?  SlavesandBulldozers   Jun-12-05 10:20 AM   #5 
  - LOL! This time it was a Freudian slip. Too late to edit. "Democracy"  dArKeR   Jun-12-05 10:42 AM   #6 
  - happens to the best of us  SlavesandBulldozers   Jun-12-05 10:45 AM   #7 
  - Might be a way to get around the censors - but misspelling may be  leveymg   Jun-12-05 01:08 PM   #11 
     - could be that as well  SlavesandBulldozers   Jun-13-05 03:20 PM   #27 
  - I agree with you about Gates, disagree about Iraq war  Coventina   Jun-12-05 11:09 AM   #9 
  - Actually, you should say this  ckramer   Jun-12-05 11:57 AM   #10 
  - What a sad way to add  Bassic   Jun-12-05 09:38 AM   #3 
  - Hi Bassic!!  newyawker99   Jun-12-05 01:22 PM   #13 
  - Gates is more disgusting than Delay!  dArKeR   Jun-12-05 10:15 AM   #4 
  - Well, as if there was any doubt, now we know Gates' priorities  Coventina   Jun-12-05 11:08 AM   #8 
  - You people on this thread have it all wrong  AuntJen   Jun-12-05 01:21 PM   #12 
  - Perhaps some democratic reform should be a precondition  sadiesworld   Jun-12-05 01:34 PM   #14 
  - That would be good, laudable, but not practical  AuntJen   Jun-12-05 07:14 PM   #23 
  - As I understand it..  KDLarsen   Jun-12-05 01:51 PM   #16 
  - Most likely, the words didn't pass PoliCheck  AuntJen   Jun-12-05 07:12 PM   #22 
  - In your mind, that excuses it.  cestpaspossible   Jun-12-05 04:11 PM   #19 
     - Yes.  AuntJen   Jun-12-05 07:10 PM   #21 
        - And of course  cestpaspossible   Jun-12-05 10:31 PM   #24 
           - For Microsoft, no.  AuntJen   Jun-13-05 12:06 PM   #26 
              - Profit over principles...  sadiesworld   Jun-13-05 05:57 PM   #31 
                 - Would you really prefer that corporations dictate policy to nations?  AuntJen   Jun-13-05 08:48 PM   #32 
                    - Corporations ARE dictating to nations...  sadiesworld   Jun-13-05 10:02 PM   #34 
                       - Bad when they disagree with you, good when they agree?  AuntJen   Jun-14-05 11:44 AM   #42 
  - With Gates making fabric for the bamboo curtain..  annabanana   Jun-12-05 01:37 PM   #15 
  - When will Microsoft ban "virus", "adware", and "spyware"?  Ezlivin   Jun-12-05 02:18 PM   #17 
  - Hmm and I was thinking of starting  DrDebug   Jun-12-05 02:18 PM   #18 
  - But might work (see above) n/t  leveymg   Jun-13-05 05:35 PM   #29 
  - We're next...  Triana   Jun-12-05 04:17 PM   #20 
  - But, the web is their most effective mass surveillance tool.  leveymg   Jun-13-05 05:39 PM   #30 
     - they won't shut it down, they'll censor like China does...  Triana   Jun-13-05 10:02 PM   #33 
  - Put the world on notice!  dArKeR   Jun-13-05 09:20 AM   #25 
  - Microsoft is typical of corporations - helping evil scumbags stay in power  slay   Jun-13-05 04:00 PM   #28 
  - kick to combine  maddezmom   Jun-14-05 07:59 AM   #35 
  - Microsoft censors Chinese blogs  YankeyMCC   Jun-14-05 07:59 AM   #36 
  - Yep  Lithos   Jun-14-05 07:59 AM   #37 
  - This sucks  JohnStreetMyHero   Jun-14-05 08:32 AM   #38 
  - An easy way to counter any M$ conivance-don't buy his shit.  reprobate   Jun-14-05 09:25 AM   #39 
  - Wish it were science fiction, but it's not...  wallwriter   Jun-14-05 09:37 AM   #40 
  - 14th Edition of the Newspeak Dictionary now available in Chinese  Nostradamus   Jun-14-05 10:11 AM   #41 
  - The Guardian's take...  Octafish   Jun-14-05 09:37 PM   #43 
  - Microsoft Helps China Censor Bloggers  dissent1977   Jun-15-05 08:18 AM   #44 
     - Dupe.  brainshrub   Jun-15-05 08:18 AM   #45 
     - agreed  gordontron   Jun-15-05 08:18 AM   #46 
        - If IBM hadn't sold Nazis the machines needed to track the Jews,  brainshrub   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #48 
     - My fellow DUers.. if youi haven't switched from IE to Firefox yet, do it!  expatriot   Jun-15-05 08:18 AM   #47 
     - Amen that!  brainshrub   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #49 
     - Uninstall Windows  Tux   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #50 
        - Tux (or anyone), a question...  Iowa   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #53 
        - Several Flavors to try...  Solon   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #54 
        - Personally  Tux   Jun-15-05 10:15 AM   #58 
        - Thanks Solon and Tux!  Iowa   Jun-15-05 06:24 PM   #60 
        - If I could avoid dependency hell...  B3Nut   Jun-15-05 08:42 AM   #57 
           - Repositories  Tux   Jun-15-05 10:18 AM   #59 
     - AND if Microsoft and other companies will do it for China, I feel quite  Dover   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #51 
     - BOOOOOOOOOOO  proud patriot   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #52 
     - Microsoft will do anything for money and profits. n/t  fasttense   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #55 
     - 'Tis time to tell Bill Gates to go fuck himself.......  0007   Jun-15-05 08:19 AM   #56 
        - vivala China?  consuming   Jun-19-05 07:00 PM   #61 

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