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Wed May-25-05 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #42 |
| 49. An example: the lowly tanker truck |
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An average gas station along a busy interstate or federal highway will sell, on average, about 25 tons of gasoline a day. Currently, this demand can be met by one trip by one 40-ton tanker truck.
Now, consider hydrogen. Given the extremely high pressures at which hydrogen would have to be confined, most of the truck's weight, whether loaded or empty, would consist of the containment system(s), yielding a truck able to transport about a ton of compressed hydrogen, give or take.
If you're talking about the concept of simply "replacing" oil with hydrogen, consider what this simple fact means. Consider the number of fuel trucks it implies will be necessary. Multiply by 25 (give or take) the number of tanker trucks on the road, and don't forget that each truck will demand fuel, lubricants and energy/resources for their construction.
Liquid hydrogen? Well, maybe, assuming that the BP or Amoco station on the corner has the capacity and electric/cryogenic capability to do what only NASA has any record of doing on a really large scale in the United States.
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| -Bush Pushing Hydrogen Fuel As Alternative |
Rose Siding |
May-25-05 11:22 AM |
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I wish he really meant it. |
ClassWarrior |
May-25-05 11:23 AM |
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Where can we send the blivet to keep him busy today? nt |
babylonsister |
May-25-05 11:25 AM |
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Well...actually, |
Norquist Nemesis |
May-25-05 11:26 AM |
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BP is a little bit more progressive then the rest of the oil companies... |
Javaman |
May-25-05 03:48 PM |
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I find it hard to believe |
The Donkey |
May-25-05 11:26 AM |
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Yes, but free hydrogen doesn't exist on Earth . . . |
hatrack |
May-25-05 11:35 AM |
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Yet |
Tux |
May-25-05 11:58 AM |
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Yes and include more roughage in their diet, sorry couldn't resist. |
Javaman |
May-25-05 03:50 PM |
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"Organic matter like feces could be the basis of it. " |
iconoclastic cat |
May-25-05 04:22 PM |
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LOL |
Tux |
May-25-05 04:26 PM |
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Once true,not any more. |
mahina |
May-25-05 12:26 PM |
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Still doesn't change the thermodynamics |
hatrack |
May-25-05 12:46 PM |
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You are correct sir. |
orwell |
May-25-05 01:07 PM |
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Please take a closer look at those links and see. |
mahina |
May-25-05 02:42 PM |
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Nah, and they are gonna push the use of coal plants to make it. |
havocmom |
May-25-05 11:45 AM |
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won't it be a lot less expensive when you can no longer get gasoline |
rjbny62 |
May-25-05 12:08 PM |
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
Gregorian |
May-25-05 11:26 AM |
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Bush plans to double the cost of oil, so we'll all switch to Hydrogen. |
aden_nak |
May-25-05 11:27 AM |
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I swear this idiot looks in the mirror and sees Thomas Edison. n/t |
rooboy |
May-25-05 11:27 AM |
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"Fantastic technology" as in "fantasy" |
hatrack |
May-25-05 11:28 AM |
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Not gonna replace oil!?! ` |
havocmom |
May-25-05 11:47 AM |
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But . . . but . . . but . . |
hatrack |
May-25-05 12:48 PM |
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He's saying, "Do i put this in my nose?" |
sweetheart |
May-25-05 11:35 AM |
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Bush and hydrogen don't mix. |
dubyaD40web |
May-25-05 11:35 AM |
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bush* and oxygen don' t mix. |
Javaman |
May-25-05 03:54 PM |
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And where is he going to get the hydrogen? |
NCevilDUer |
May-25-05 11:37 AM |
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See my post #13. |
Justin54B20L |
May-25-05 11:42 AM |
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You may or may not realize, a move to hydrogen, in *'s plan, uses more oil |
Justin54B20L |
May-25-05 11:38 AM |
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Have you checked out the hypercar? |
mahina |
May-25-05 12:32 PM |
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Sweet. Thanks for the updated info. |
Justin54B20L |
May-25-05 01:01 PM |
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No, thank you for keeping an open mind! |
mahina |
May-25-05 02:34 PM |
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FOLKS, HYDROGEN IS ***NOT*** AN ALTERNATIVE FUEL!! |
garybeck |
May-25-05 11:44 AM |
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Hydrogen = nukes - the only viable source for electrolysis |
pinkpops |
May-25-05 11:50 AM |
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not necessarily true |
garybeck |
May-25-05 12:42 PM |
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he shoveled us this sh*t 5 years ago |
shadowknows69 |
May-25-05 11:46 AM |
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a boon for his coal industry friends |
fryguy |
May-25-05 11:48 AM |
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The cost of hydrogen |
Puzzler |
May-25-05 12:25 PM |
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A centralized, cost intensive energy source. |
Old and In the Way |
May-25-05 11:54 AM |
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"We're too dependent on foreign sources of energy." |
Massachusetts |
May-25-05 12:01 PM |
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Hydrogen as a by-product of petroleum, of course. |
the other one |
May-25-05 12:04 PM |
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How about reliable, efficient, top-quality publicly owned mass transit |
NAO |
May-25-05 12:05 PM |
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Really? How much per barrel does Hydrogen cost? |
Canuckistanian |
May-25-05 12:09 PM |
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The 2X premium gas price sounds wrong and incredibly low |
The_Casual_Observer |
May-25-05 12:31 PM |
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I agree - that's way, WAY too cheap |
hatrack |
May-25-05 12:49 PM |
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Yes, I can't imagine that the fueling station is a reality. Hydrogen is |
bunny planet |
May-25-05 01:33 PM |
#42 |
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An example: the lowly tanker truck |
hatrack |
May-25-05 03:38 PM |
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Hydrogen is an alternative to batteries, not to fossil fuels. |
patcox2 |
May-25-05 12:44 PM |
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and batteries can run electric motors... |
Rosco T. |
May-25-05 04:12 PM |
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There's more hydrogen in a gallon of gas... |
Dissenting_Prole |
May-25-05 01:06 PM |
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THIS IS A FRAUD |
triguy46 |
May-25-05 01:14 PM |
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Perhaps he should read 'The Long Emergency' by Kunstler. |
bunny planet |
May-25-05 01:25 PM |
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Bush & Hydrogen |
shantipriya |
May-25-05 02:37 PM |
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Subtext: Bush Touts Hydrogen To Extend Status Quo |
VogonGlory |
May-25-05 02:46 PM |
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classic pic of him looking into the nozzle ... |
Lisa |
May-25-05 03:21 PM |
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And my next car is going to be powered by fairy dust! |
hunter |
May-25-05 03:35 PM |
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yeah -- if we could develop engines that ran on BS ... |
Lisa |
May-25-05 04:28 PM |
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What's up with that? |
zanne |
May-25-05 04:09 PM |
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Yeah, perfect call! |
Megahurtz |
May-25-05 05:39 PM |
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Maybe we can import the hydrogen from Mars. |
tabasco |
May-25-05 05:24 PM |
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