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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 02:46 PM
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46. Subtext: Bush Touts Hydrogen To Extend Status Quo
I think that it's becoming clear even to former English majors like yours truly that Dear Leader's touting of hydrogen as an alternate energy source is a smokescreen for extending the use of fossil fuels as the chief source of energy supply here in the US. Even though the cost for fuel cells is beginning to decline, manufacturing, storing, and shipping hydrogen is expensive and there are lots of bugs yet to be worked out. About fifteen years out, say the pundits, and I remember that's at least as long as many of those same pundits said that hydrogen fusion would be practical, too.

Personally, I think touting hydrogen means touting an expensive, glitch-ridden technology that would insure that fossil fuels and internal combustion motors would be the status quo for years to come.

If this country was smart (We aren't; our fellow citizens voted for Gee Dubya twice and have been electing Republican majorities since 1994), we would be working on fuel cells that use carbohydrates like alcohols and sugars, which would be more energy-efficient and less-polluting. We would be ramping up production of hybrid cars. We would be working on much better batteries and ways to make solar panels far, far cheaper.

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  -Bush Pushing Hydrogen Fuel As Alternative Rose Siding  May-25-05 11:22 AM   #0 
  - I wish he really meant it.  ClassWarrior   May-25-05 11:23 AM   #1 
  - Where can we send the blivet to keep him busy today? nt  babylonsister   May-25-05 11:25 AM   #2 
  - Well...actually,  Norquist Nemesis   May-25-05 11:26 AM   #3 
  - BP is a little bit more progressive then the rest of the oil companies...  Javaman   May-25-05 03:48 PM   #50 
  - I find it hard to believe  The Donkey   May-25-05 11:26 AM   #4 
  - Yes, but free hydrogen doesn't exist on Earth . . .  hatrack   May-25-05 11:35 AM   #9 
  - Yet  Tux   May-25-05 11:58 AM   #22 
  - Yes and include more roughage in their diet, sorry couldn't resist.  Javaman   May-25-05 03:50 PM   #51 
  - "Organic matter like feces could be the basis of it. "  iconoclastic cat   May-25-05 04:22 PM   #55 
     - LOL  Tux   May-25-05 04:26 PM   #56 
  - Once true,not any more.  mahina   May-25-05 12:26 PM   #29 
     - Still doesn't change the thermodynamics  hatrack   May-25-05 12:46 PM   #34 
        - You are correct sir.  orwell   May-25-05 01:07 PM   #39 
        - Please take a closer look at those links and see.  mahina   May-25-05 02:42 PM   #45 
  - Nah, and they are gonna push the use of coal plants to make it.  havocmom   May-25-05 11:45 AM   #16 
  - won't it be a lot less expensive when you can no longer get gasoline  rjbny62   May-25-05 12:08 PM   #26 
  - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  Gregorian   May-25-05 11:26 AM   #5 
  - Bush plans to double the cost of oil, so we'll all switch to Hydrogen.  aden_nak   May-25-05 11:27 AM   #6 
  - I swear this idiot looks in the mirror and sees Thomas Edison. n/t  rooboy   May-25-05 11:27 AM   #7 
  - "Fantastic technology" as in "fantasy"  hatrack   May-25-05 11:28 AM   #8 
  - Not gonna replace oil!?! `  havocmom   May-25-05 11:47 AM   #18 
     - But . . . but . . . but . .  hatrack   May-25-05 12:48 PM   #35 
  - He's saying, "Do i put this in my nose?"  sweetheart   May-25-05 11:35 AM   #10 
  - Bush and hydrogen don't mix.  dubyaD40web   May-25-05 11:35 AM   #11 
  - bush* and oxygen don' t mix.  Javaman   May-25-05 03:54 PM   #52 
  - And where is he going to get the hydrogen?  NCevilDUer   May-25-05 11:37 AM   #12 
  - See my post #13.  Justin54B20L   May-25-05 11:42 AM   #14 
  - You may or may not realize, a move to hydrogen, in *'s plan, uses more oil  Justin54B20L   May-25-05 11:38 AM   #13 
  - Have you checked out the hypercar?  mahina   May-25-05 12:32 PM   #31 
     - Sweet. Thanks for the updated info.  Justin54B20L   May-25-05 01:01 PM   #37 
        - No, thank you for keeping an open mind!  mahina   May-25-05 02:34 PM   #43 
  - FOLKS, HYDROGEN IS ***NOT*** AN ALTERNATIVE FUEL!!  garybeck   May-25-05 11:44 AM   #15 
  - Hydrogen = nukes - the only viable source for electrolysis  pinkpops   May-25-05 11:50 AM   #20 
     - not necessarily true  garybeck   May-25-05 12:42 PM   #32 
  - he shoveled us this sh*t 5 years ago  shadowknows69   May-25-05 11:46 AM   #17 
  - a boon for his coal industry friends  fryguy   May-25-05 11:48 AM   #19 
  - The cost of hydrogen  Puzzler   May-25-05 12:25 PM   #28 
  - A centralized, cost intensive energy source.  Old and In the Way   May-25-05 11:54 AM   #21 
  - "We're too dependent on foreign sources of energy."  Massachusetts   May-25-05 12:01 PM   #23 
  - Hydrogen as a by-product of petroleum, of course.  the other one   May-25-05 12:04 PM   #24 
  - How about reliable, efficient, top-quality publicly owned mass transit  NAO   May-25-05 12:05 PM   #25 
  - Really? How much per barrel does Hydrogen cost?  Canuckistanian   May-25-05 12:09 PM   #27 
  - The 2X premium gas price sounds wrong and incredibly low  The_Casual_Observer   May-25-05 12:31 PM   #30 
     - I agree - that's way, WAY too cheap  hatrack   May-25-05 12:49 PM   #36 
     - Yes, I can't imagine that the fueling station is a reality. Hydrogen is  bunny planet   May-25-05 01:33 PM   #42 
        - An example: the lowly tanker truck  hatrack   May-25-05 03:38 PM   #49 
  - Hydrogen is an alternative to batteries, not to fossil fuels.  patcox2   May-25-05 12:44 PM   #33 
  - and batteries can run electric motors...  Rosco T.   May-25-05 04:12 PM   #54 
  - There's more hydrogen in a gallon of gas...  Dissenting_Prole   May-25-05 01:06 PM   #38 
  - THIS IS A FRAUD  triguy46   May-25-05 01:14 PM   #40 
  - Perhaps he should read 'The Long Emergency' by Kunstler.  bunny planet   May-25-05 01:25 PM   #41 
  - Bush & Hydrogen  shantipriya   May-25-05 02:37 PM   #44 
  - Subtext: Bush Touts Hydrogen To Extend Status Quo  VogonGlory   May-25-05 02:46 PM   #46 
  - classic pic of him looking into the nozzle ...  Lisa   May-25-05 03:21 PM   #47 
  - And my next car is going to be powered by fairy dust!  hunter   May-25-05 03:35 PM   #48 
  - yeah -- if we could develop engines that ran on BS ...  Lisa   May-25-05 04:28 PM   #57 
  - What's up with that?  zanne   May-25-05 04:09 PM   #53 
  - Yeah, perfect call!  Megahurtz   May-25-05 05:39 PM   #59 
  - Maybe we can import the hydrogen from Mars.  tabasco   May-25-05 05:24 PM   #58 

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