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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:17 PM
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22. Some comments
First, Lets define some terms:

First when I use the term "sexual predators" I have to exclude cases like when a 19 year old who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend. Technically he is guilty of statutory rape in many states. What he did was wrong but as a general rule he will NOT go after another 16 year old. Thus while technically is a sexual offender and added to these lists he is NOT a sexual predator.

Most Sexual Predators can NOT stop their predation. On the other hand you do not want to lock them up for the rest of their life and thus provide them with incentive to KILL their victims instead of leaving them go (If the punishment for murder and sexual assault is the same, the Sexual predator then has every reason to kill his victim, one less wittiness, as opposed to leaving her go. If the punishment is less for the sexual assault you encourage such predators NOT to kill their victims.

Thus the great dilemma, how do you handle such predators once they get out of jail (and you will leave them out for you do not want to encourage them to kill their victims). In the past we just left them, go and they raped again.

On the other hand if their are free from prison they have to live someplace. I know people do not want them near their kids, but these people have to live someplace. People tend to have children when "young" and thus not in their peak earning years, thus a tendency of Children to live in lower class housing, which is also what most ex-felons can afford.

Thus this is rarely a problem for well to do neighborhoods, the Ex-felon sexual Predator rarely can afford to live in such neighborhoods (He rarely has the income for such housing).

Given the above you have to provide some sort of Housing for such people. Now when I mean provide I mean provide NOT what is being done in this case, which is a ban except in certain restricted neighborhoods. There is no evidence that any housing exists in these neighborhoods so for all practical purposes this is a BAN on such people living in that town and as such is unconstitutional (You have the right to live anywhere provided you have the money to pay).

The problem is that neither the STATE, COUNTY or LOCAL Government want to provide such housing. Once the person is out of the State Prison System, that State and County want no more to do with the ex-felon. No one wants him, in many ways rightfully so, but he is still a Human Being and deserves to be treated as one (and at the same time protect society from his predations).

Thus the best solution is to provide housing for such people on a permanent basis. Everyone in town will know a certain set of housing is reserved for such people and keep their children clear of it. Probably permit a Psychologist to determine if the person is truly a "Sexual Predator" before being assigned to the housing but told he has to live there (or a similar housing in another jurisdiction) until a Psychologist rules he is NOT a threat to Society (Which will rarely happen given the background of such sexual predators).

This will be opposed for no city or town will want to have them in their city or town, but under the Federal Ruling upholding Zoning laws, if you have to Zone for everyone including sexual predators. You just can NOT zoned them out of your town. Anyway Zoning is a bad way to control this problem, where providing housing and warnings will be more effective.

Thus the best solution to this problem is a combination Psychological and housing solution. Once a person is released from Prison he should be evaluated. If still a threat to Society restricted as to where he can live. The restrictions must be the least possible while protecting society thus the above solution. The way to do this is to make all sexual crimes subject to a life-time period of Parole and probation. Thus following the rules is a requirement of the Parole and probation and if violated he goes back to jail. This permit constant review and supervision of the Sexual Predator. If he is determined that the best place for such a person to protect society is in a mental home that should be an option, if a less restrictive place is recommended that should be an option.

My point here is what should we do as a society where you have a sexual predator WHO HAS SERVED HIS TIME? You do not want him near any potential victims, but having served his time he has to have some freedom of movement. My solution of providing housing is the best solution I can come up with. The solution of zoning such people away does NOT really address the problem of what to do with these people.
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  -Town segregates sex offenders malachi  May-18-05 09:43 AM   #0 
  - A slippery slope has been reached  hobbit709   May-18-05 09:47 AM   #1 
  - Not to mention, this is unconstitutional as hell  kgfnally   May-18-05 09:50 AM   #2 
  - mixed on this. I defiantly would not want a registered sex offender  okieinpain   May-20-05 09:31 PM   #137 
  - "other" people don't sexually abuse kids and murder them  donsu   May-18-05 10:35 AM   #9 
  - I agree with the town on this issue. But once they start coralling others  HypnoToad   May-18-05 12:11 PM   #20 
  - that's quite true, but you have to admit these guy's aren't doing  okieinpain   May-20-05 09:33 PM   #138 
  - In some states you can get on the list  mongo   May-18-05 12:12 PM   #21 
  - oral sex (crime against nature) is felony sex offense in my state  amazona   May-18-05 01:31 PM   #37 
  - you are confident?  Evergreen Emerald   May-18-05 09:43 PM   #66 
  - Mongo -- I'm challenging you. I keep seeing this "argument"  Eloriel   May-18-05 03:50 PM   #39 
  - I'm not Mongo but...  amazona   May-18-05 07:58 PM   #57 
  - Just answer this.....  GoCubsGo05   May-19-05 05:25 PM   #95 
  - Here's a couple of examples:  mongo   May-19-05 12:45 PM   #87 
  - don't want them burned at the stake, but god I really don't want  okieinpain   May-20-05 09:37 PM   #139 
  - And I suppose certain races should be prohibited as well, since there is  merwin   May-18-05 12:51 PM   #27 
  - Oh, please. Way to misrepresent and "awfulize" the story  Eloriel   May-18-05 03:59 PM   #40 
     - they have a six percent re-offend rate  amazona   May-18-05 08:00 PM   #58 
     - I wonder if the rate is lessened due to the steps taken  Evergreen Emerald   May-18-05 09:50 PM   #67 
     - sounds more like a 6% re-apprehension rate.  TX-RAT   May-19-05 10:07 AM   #83 
     - or a 50% -90% recidivism rate from various articles I've read  barb162   May-19-05 08:51 PM   #117 
     - How does saying they can't live within a certain distance from a  merwin   May-19-05 09:38 AM   #81 
     - Your hysterics on this issue are becoming tiring.  kgfnally   May-19-05 01:22 PM   #88 
     - i agree, and I'm pretty sure that some are able to fight the urge.  okieinpain   May-20-05 09:39 PM   #140 
  - Is there a town that has done this in regard to murderers?  HuckleB   May-19-05 06:52 PM   #106 
  - well what do you want them to do. it's becoming clear that  okieinpain   May-20-05 09:31 PM   #136 
  - Double jeopardy  Toots   May-18-05 09:50 AM   #3 
  - Good, our children need all the protection from these kind of people  fighttotheend   May-18-05 09:51 AM   #4 
  - I am sooooooooooooooo torn on this issue.  meatloaf   May-18-05 10:01 AM   #5 
  - "Paying debt to society" is a meaningless phrase  lostnfound   May-18-05 11:08 AM   #16 
  - Call it what you will, once you've completed the  meatloaf   May-18-05 11:24 AM   #17 
     - Ummm....no.  DoNotRefill   May-18-05 12:08 PM   #18 
     - So, how about saying that all felons can only live in certain areas,  merwin   May-18-05 12:53 PM   #28 
     - You insist on continuing this RIDICULOUS argument  Eloriel   May-18-05 04:12 PM   #42 
     - that child is NOT ruined for life -- I wasn't  amazona   May-18-05 08:05 PM   #59 
     - THANK you! n/t  Lilith Velkor   May-18-05 09:07 PM   #63 
     - Not all abused children become abusers....  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 07:23 AM   #77 
     - "And what would YOU do to protect children?"  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 07:22 AM   #76 
     - If they're not going to stop offending, why not just corral them up in  merwin   May-19-05 09:46 AM   #82 
     - All right, El, that was personal.  kgfnally   May-19-05 01:38 PM   #89 
        - Not to mention how easy it would be to plant some child porn  mongo   May-19-05 07:15 PM   #110 
     - I suggest you check the overall recidivism rate....  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 07:20 AM   #75 
     - but it isn't (necessarily) admissible as evidence in subsequent trials  foo_bar   May-18-05 01:08 PM   #31 
        - It's wider than that....  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 07:19 AM   #74 
     - I don't think it makes sense to require "a clean slate".  lostnfound   May-18-05 01:17 PM   #33 
  - You mean like this?  mongo   May-18-05 12:17 PM   # 
  - That's my concern exactly, so what other options do we have?  meatloaf   May-18-05 01:17 PM   #34 
  - Many places are doing lifetime satellite monitoring of  mtnester   May-18-05 01:00 PM   #29 
  - Yes, I've got a bright idea  Eloriel   May-18-05 04:07 PM   #41 
  - cite please  amazona   May-18-05 08:10 PM   #61 
  - I'm with you...  annabanana   May-18-05 04:46 PM   #48 
  - I'd like to see a satellite map showing 2500 ft overlaps and gaps.  Kagemusha   May-18-05 10:18 AM   #6 
  - As someone who has done searches for commercial property  mongo   May-18-05 12:22 PM   #24 
  - Now I get it  Eloriel   May-18-05 04:18 PM   #43 
  - What exactly are you implying?  mongo   May-19-05 07:37 PM   #113 
  - Would that be like redlining?  LiberalFighter   May-18-05 09:19 PM   #64 
  - Click on link provided. It leads to an interactive map. 97% of the  malachi   May-18-05 01:10 PM   #32 
  - My emotional reaction on this is that they're getting what they deserve  meganmonkey   May-18-05 10:23 AM   #7 
  - My emotional impression is that 1/3 of the convicted aren't guilty.  reprobate   May-18-05 10:45 AM   #10 
     - And of those who are guilty and who may strike again  meganmonkey   May-18-05 10:49 AM   #12 
     - Really, really REALLY good point  mongo   May-18-05 12:23 PM   #25 
     - No, it's not a cure, but no one has claimed it's a cure. However,  Eloriel   May-18-05 04:24 PM   #45 
     - Agree with you- keep them away  Demgirl   May-18-05 04:49 PM   #49 
     - They could live in another area and you feel safer...  LiberalFighter   May-18-05 09:20 PM   #65 
     - And the other side of that coin is that  Eloriel   May-18-05 05:32 PM   #50 
     - actually that makes this policy even dumber  dsc   May-18-05 05:40 PM   #52 
     - Based on my experience that depends on the local people  Gyre   May-19-05 09:09 PM   #120 
  - Lists can get dangerous.....  eternalburn   May-18-05 10:26 AM   #8 
  - What About Burglars?  chatterboy   May-18-05 10:47 AM   #11 
     - 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 7 boys are sexually abused / molested  Eloriel   May-18-05 04:39 PM   #46 
     - Burglary is not a PATHOLOGY. Pedophelia is.  joeunderdog   May-18-05 07:28 PM   #54 
  - I agree with the town.  PleadTheFirst   May-18-05 10:49 AM   #13 
  - Good for Hamilton  eissa   May-18-05 10:51 AM   #14 
  - As much as I detest the acts committed by these folks...  mtnester   May-18-05 10:52 AM   #15 
  - who said anything about rounding people up?  DoNotRefill   May-18-05 12:10 PM   #19 
     - Please understand and realize  Sgent   May-18-05 12:21 PM   #23 
  - Some comments  happyslug   May-18-05 12:17 PM   #22 
  - The article refers to 'sex offenders', not 'sexual predators'  meganmonkey   May-18-05 01:05 PM   #30 
  - That why I defined the term I was using.  happyslug   May-18-05 03:44 PM   #38 
  - Thanks for the clarification  meganmonkey   May-18-05 07:36 PM   #55 
  - slightly OT BUT  ovidsen   May-18-05 08:57 PM   #62 
  - Not necessarily -- or, more precisely  Eloriel   May-18-05 04:45 PM   #47 
     - Yeah, I'd like to know that too  meganmonkey   May-18-05 07:44 PM   #56 
     - NYS is consistent with what you are saying. There is no 'statutory  Princess Turandot   May-18-05 11:00 PM   #70 
  - Very nice post!!  Zodiak Ironfist   May-18-05 04:19 PM   #44 
  - prison in Huntsville, TX for peeing behind a dumpster  TX-RAT   May-19-05 10:20 AM   #84 
  - Thank you!  tlcandie   May-19-05 08:33 AM   #79 
  - False sense of security  Boomer   May-18-05 12:27 PM   #26 
  - No, more accurately, most children are molested by someone they KNOW  Eloriel   May-18-05 05:34 PM   #51 
  - Copy cats! They stole this idea from Miami Beach  Freddie Stubbs   May-18-05 01:21 PM   #35 
  - Facts people, not emotion  ecoalex   May-18-05 01:30 PM   #36 
     - cite please  amazona   May-18-05 08:06 PM   #60 
  - Oh WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!  Megahurtz   May-18-05 07:12 PM   #53 
  - They had a report  HarveyBrooks   May-19-05 09:19 AM   #80 
     - For me, it would depend on the teachers...  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 10:56 AM   #85 
        - Are you serious?  HarveyBrooks   May-19-05 02:11 PM   #93 
           - Just knowing that teachers might be armed....  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 06:14 PM   #98 
  - Finally! A town with some sense -  lynne   May-18-05 09:54 PM   #68 
  - Show me the study...  HuckleB   May-19-05 07:22 PM   #111 
     - It's the same study used -  lynne   May-19-05 07:46 PM   #114 
        - Yes, we do.  HuckleB   May-19-05 08:39 PM   #116 
           - Sorry you felt that way -  lynne   May-20-05 07:15 AM   #124 
              - Compare it all you want.  HuckleB   May-20-05 08:10 AM   #127 
  - In our town, it's called Fraternity Row  mitchum   May-18-05 09:56 PM   #69 
  - lol  gatlingforme   May-18-05 11:09 PM   #71 
  - You're bad.  XanaDUer   May-19-05 12:34 AM   #73 
  - That's just sound city planning!  Chicago Democrat   May-18-05 11:10 PM   #72 
  - When they came for the Sex Offenders, I said nothing...  BiggJawn   May-19-05 07:52 AM   #78 
  - I think maybe....  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 11:00 AM   #86 
  - Then change the law.  BiggJawn   May-19-05 01:41 PM   #90 
  - Dude, stay on the point,  Megahurtz   May-19-05 01:45 PM   #92 
  - We ARE?  BiggJawn   May-19-05 04:52 PM   #94 
     - Don't accuse me of any "straw-fucking-buzzword-men"  Megahurtz   May-19-05 06:51 PM   #105 
        - Move????  BiggJawn   May-19-05 09:01 PM   #119 
           - I didn't take the "move" comment as an implication on you.....  DoNotRefill   May-20-05 05:36 AM   #123 
           - That's kind of funny...  BiggJawn   May-20-05 07:46 AM   #125 
           - No Bigg Jawn.....  Megahurtz   May-20-05 02:53 PM   #128 
  - You speak of strawmen while trotting THIS out????  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 06:35 PM   #102 
     - Why not?  BiggJawn   May-19-05 08:55 PM   #118 
  - Right On!  Megahurtz   May-19-05 01:42 PM   #91 
  - How would this law stop that from happening?  HuckleB   May-19-05 06:28 PM   #100 
  - The object is....  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 06:37 PM   #103 
     - Yes, it might.  HuckleB   May-19-05 06:41 PM   #104 
        - So you're saying...  DoNotRefill   May-19-05 07:31 PM   #112 
           - No, it's not an all-or-nothing proposition.  HuckleB   May-19-05 08:37 PM   #115 
              - that's because the law just passed....  DoNotRefill   May-20-05 05:34 AM   #122 
                 - No.  HuckleB   May-20-05 08:07 AM   #126 
                    - Ummm....once it's an ordinance....  DoNotRefill   May-20-05 04:42 PM   #129 
                       - You're kidding right?  HuckleB   May-20-05 05:20 PM   #131 
                          - Dude, what exactly do you think they do....  DoNotRefill   May-20-05 05:32 PM   #132 
                             - Oh brother.  HuckleB   May-20-05 08:43 PM   #134 
                                - How do you figure it's a "do nothing" proposition?  DoNotRefill   May-20-05 09:41 PM   #141 
                                   - Go back and read our conversation.  HuckleB   May-20-05 09:46 PM   #142 
                                      - How do you figure?  DoNotRefill   May-20-05 09:59 PM   #143 
  - Until just three years ago  dsc   May-20-05 09:12 PM   #135 
  - Child sex offenders get life.....problem solved. (nt)  rinsd   May-20-05 04:57 PM   #130 
  - well  cygy2k   May-19-05 05:36 PM   #96 
  - Personnally, I'd rather know where the  lilymercury   May-19-05 05:58 PM   #97 
  - Indeed, it is the unknowns.  HuckleB   May-19-05 06:31 PM   #101 
     - exactly, it's actually very, very rare for a stranger to molest,  moobu2   May-19-05 09:52 PM   #121 
  - This stuff doesn't protect anyone.  HuckleB   May-19-05 06:27 PM   #99 
  - So ...  BattyDem   May-19-05 06:53 PM   #107 
  - Indeed.  HuckleB   May-19-05 06:56 PM   #109 
  - How does this affect price in the real estate "market,"  SimpleTrend   May-19-05 06:54 PM   #108 
  - I think the town should've passed a law  XemaSab   May-20-05 06:14 PM   #133 
 

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