happyslug
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Wed May-18-05 12:17 PM
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First, Lets define some terms:
First when I use the term "sexual predators" I have to exclude cases like when a 19 year old who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend. Technically he is guilty of statutory rape in many states. What he did was wrong but as a general rule he will NOT go after another 16 year old. Thus while technically is a sexual offender and added to these lists he is NOT a sexual predator.
Most Sexual Predators can NOT stop their predation. On the other hand you do not want to lock them up for the rest of their life and thus provide them with incentive to KILL their victims instead of leaving them go (If the punishment for murder and sexual assault is the same, the Sexual predator then has every reason to kill his victim, one less wittiness, as opposed to leaving her go. If the punishment is less for the sexual assault you encourage such predators NOT to kill their victims.
Thus the great dilemma, how do you handle such predators once they get out of jail (and you will leave them out for you do not want to encourage them to kill their victims). In the past we just left them, go and they raped again.
On the other hand if their are free from prison they have to live someplace. I know people do not want them near their kids, but these people have to live someplace. People tend to have children when "young" and thus not in their peak earning years, thus a tendency of Children to live in lower class housing, which is also what most ex-felons can afford.
Thus this is rarely a problem for well to do neighborhoods, the Ex-felon sexual Predator rarely can afford to live in such neighborhoods (He rarely has the income for such housing).
Given the above you have to provide some sort of Housing for such people. Now when I mean provide I mean provide NOT what is being done in this case, which is a ban except in certain restricted neighborhoods. There is no evidence that any housing exists in these neighborhoods so for all practical purposes this is a BAN on such people living in that town and as such is unconstitutional (You have the right to live anywhere provided you have the money to pay).
The problem is that neither the STATE, COUNTY or LOCAL Government want to provide such housing. Once the person is out of the State Prison System, that State and County want no more to do with the ex-felon. No one wants him, in many ways rightfully so, but he is still a Human Being and deserves to be treated as one (and at the same time protect society from his predations).
Thus the best solution is to provide housing for such people on a permanent basis. Everyone in town will know a certain set of housing is reserved for such people and keep their children clear of it. Probably permit a Psychologist to determine if the person is truly a "Sexual Predator" before being assigned to the housing but told he has to live there (or a similar housing in another jurisdiction) until a Psychologist rules he is NOT a threat to Society (Which will rarely happen given the background of such sexual predators).
This will be opposed for no city or town will want to have them in their city or town, but under the Federal Ruling upholding Zoning laws, if you have to Zone for everyone including sexual predators. You just can NOT zoned them out of your town. Anyway Zoning is a bad way to control this problem, where providing housing and warnings will be more effective.
Thus the best solution to this problem is a combination Psychological and housing solution. Once a person is released from Prison he should be evaluated. If still a threat to Society restricted as to where he can live. The restrictions must be the least possible while protecting society thus the above solution. The way to do this is to make all sexual crimes subject to a life-time period of Parole and probation. Thus following the rules is a requirement of the Parole and probation and if violated he goes back to jail. This permit constant review and supervision of the Sexual Predator. If he is determined that the best place for such a person to protect society is in a mental home that should be an option, if a less restrictive place is recommended that should be an option.
My point here is what should we do as a society where you have a sexual predator WHO HAS SERVED HIS TIME? You do not want him near any potential victims, but having served his time he has to have some freedom of movement. My solution of providing housing is the best solution I can come up with. The solution of zoning such people away does NOT really address the problem of what to do with these people.
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malachi |
May-18-05 09:43 AM |
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A slippery slope has been reached |
hobbit709 |
May-18-05 09:47 AM |
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Not to mention, this is unconstitutional as hell |
kgfnally |
May-18-05 09:50 AM |
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mixed on this. I defiantly would not want a registered sex offender |
okieinpain |
May-20-05 09:31 PM |
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"other" people don't sexually abuse kids and murder them |
donsu |
May-18-05 10:35 AM |
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I agree with the town on this issue. But once they start coralling others |
HypnoToad |
May-18-05 12:11 PM |
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that's quite true, but you have to admit these guy's aren't doing |
okieinpain |
May-20-05 09:33 PM |
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In some states you can get on the list |
mongo |
May-18-05 12:12 PM |
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oral sex (crime against nature) is felony sex offense in my state |
amazona |
May-18-05 01:31 PM |
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you are confident? |
Evergreen Emerald |
May-18-05 09:43 PM |
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Mongo -- I'm challenging you. I keep seeing this "argument" |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 03:50 PM |
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I'm not Mongo but... |
amazona |
May-18-05 07:58 PM |
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Just answer this..... |
GoCubsGo05 |
May-19-05 05:25 PM |
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Here's a couple of examples: |
mongo |
May-19-05 12:45 PM |
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don't want them burned at the stake, but god I really don't want |
okieinpain |
May-20-05 09:37 PM |
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And I suppose certain races should be prohibited as well, since there is |
merwin |
May-18-05 12:51 PM |
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Oh, please. Way to misrepresent and "awfulize" the story |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 03:59 PM |
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they have a six percent re-offend rate |
amazona |
May-18-05 08:00 PM |
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I wonder if the rate is lessened due to the steps taken |
Evergreen Emerald |
May-18-05 09:50 PM |
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sounds more like a 6% re-apprehension rate. |
TX-RAT |
May-19-05 10:07 AM |
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or a 50% -90% recidivism rate from various articles I've read |
barb162 |
May-19-05 08:51 PM |
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How does saying they can't live within a certain distance from a |
merwin |
May-19-05 09:38 AM |
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Your hysterics on this issue are becoming tiring. |
kgfnally |
May-19-05 01:22 PM |
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i agree, and I'm pretty sure that some are able to fight the urge. |
okieinpain |
May-20-05 09:39 PM |
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Is there a town that has done this in regard to murderers? |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 06:52 PM |
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well what do you want them to do. it's becoming clear that |
okieinpain |
May-20-05 09:31 PM |
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Double jeopardy |
Toots |
May-18-05 09:50 AM |
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Good, our children need all the protection from these kind of people |
fighttotheend |
May-18-05 09:51 AM |
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I am sooooooooooooooo torn on this issue. |
meatloaf |
May-18-05 10:01 AM |
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"Paying debt to society" is a meaningless phrase |
lostnfound |
May-18-05 11:08 AM |
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Call it what you will, once you've completed the |
meatloaf |
May-18-05 11:24 AM |
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Ummm....no. |
DoNotRefill |
May-18-05 12:08 PM |
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So, how about saying that all felons can only live in certain areas, |
merwin |
May-18-05 12:53 PM |
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You insist on continuing this RIDICULOUS argument |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 04:12 PM |
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that child is NOT ruined for life -- I wasn't |
amazona |
May-18-05 08:05 PM |
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THANK you! n/t |
Lilith Velkor |
May-18-05 09:07 PM |
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Not all abused children become abusers.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 07:23 AM |
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"And what would YOU do to protect children?" |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 07:22 AM |
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If they're not going to stop offending, why not just corral them up in |
merwin |
May-19-05 09:46 AM |
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All right, El, that was personal. |
kgfnally |
May-19-05 01:38 PM |
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Not to mention how easy it would be to plant some child porn |
mongo |
May-19-05 07:15 PM |
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I suggest you check the overall recidivism rate.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 07:20 AM |
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but it isn't (necessarily) admissible as evidence in subsequent trials |
foo_bar |
May-18-05 01:08 PM |
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It's wider than that.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 07:19 AM |
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I don't think it makes sense to require "a clean slate". |
lostnfound |
May-18-05 01:17 PM |
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You mean like this? |
mongo |
May-18-05 12:17 PM |
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That's my concern exactly, so what other options do we have? |
meatloaf |
May-18-05 01:17 PM |
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Many places are doing lifetime satellite monitoring of |
mtnester |
May-18-05 01:00 PM |
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Yes, I've got a bright idea |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 04:07 PM |
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cite please |
amazona |
May-18-05 08:10 PM |
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I'm with you... |
annabanana |
May-18-05 04:46 PM |
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I'd like to see a satellite map showing 2500 ft overlaps and gaps. |
Kagemusha |
May-18-05 10:18 AM |
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As someone who has done searches for commercial property |
mongo |
May-18-05 12:22 PM |
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Now I get it |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 04:18 PM |
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What exactly are you implying? |
mongo |
May-19-05 07:37 PM |
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Would that be like redlining? |
LiberalFighter |
May-18-05 09:19 PM |
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Click on link provided. It leads to an interactive map. 97% of the |
malachi |
May-18-05 01:10 PM |
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My emotional reaction on this is that they're getting what they deserve |
meganmonkey |
May-18-05 10:23 AM |
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My emotional impression is that 1/3 of the convicted aren't guilty. |
reprobate |
May-18-05 10:45 AM |
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And of those who are guilty and who may strike again |
meganmonkey |
May-18-05 10:49 AM |
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Really, really REALLY good point |
mongo |
May-18-05 12:23 PM |
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No, it's not a cure, but no one has claimed it's a cure. However, |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 04:24 PM |
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Agree with you- keep them away |
Demgirl |
May-18-05 04:49 PM |
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They could live in another area and you feel safer... |
LiberalFighter |
May-18-05 09:20 PM |
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And the other side of that coin is that |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 05:32 PM |
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actually that makes this policy even dumber |
dsc |
May-18-05 05:40 PM |
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Based on my experience that depends on the local people |
Gyre |
May-19-05 09:09 PM |
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Lists can get dangerous..... |
eternalburn |
May-18-05 10:26 AM |
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What About Burglars? |
chatterboy |
May-18-05 10:47 AM |
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1 in 4 girls and 1 in 7 boys are sexually abused / molested |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 04:39 PM |
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Burglary is not a PATHOLOGY. Pedophelia is. |
joeunderdog |
May-18-05 07:28 PM |
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I agree with the town. |
PleadTheFirst |
May-18-05 10:49 AM |
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Good for Hamilton |
eissa |
May-18-05 10:51 AM |
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As much as I detest the acts committed by these folks... |
mtnester |
May-18-05 10:52 AM |
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who said anything about rounding people up? |
DoNotRefill |
May-18-05 12:10 PM |
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Please understand and realize |
Sgent |
May-18-05 12:21 PM |
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Some comments |
happyslug |
May-18-05 12:17 PM |
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The article refers to 'sex offenders', not 'sexual predators' |
meganmonkey |
May-18-05 01:05 PM |
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That why I defined the term I was using. |
happyslug |
May-18-05 03:44 PM |
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Thanks for the clarification |
meganmonkey |
May-18-05 07:36 PM |
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slightly OT BUT |
ovidsen |
May-18-05 08:57 PM |
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Not necessarily -- or, more precisely |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 04:45 PM |
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Yeah, I'd like to know that too |
meganmonkey |
May-18-05 07:44 PM |
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NYS is consistent with what you are saying. There is no 'statutory |
Princess Turandot |
May-18-05 11:00 PM |
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Very nice post!! |
Zodiak Ironfist |
May-18-05 04:19 PM |
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prison in Huntsville, TX for peeing behind a dumpster |
TX-RAT |
May-19-05 10:20 AM |
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Thank you! |
tlcandie |
May-19-05 08:33 AM |
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False sense of security |
Boomer |
May-18-05 12:27 PM |
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No, more accurately, most children are molested by someone they KNOW |
Eloriel |
May-18-05 05:34 PM |
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Copy cats! They stole this idea from Miami Beach |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-18-05 01:21 PM |
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Facts people, not emotion |
ecoalex |
May-18-05 01:30 PM |
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cite please |
amazona |
May-18-05 08:06 PM |
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Oh WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! |
Megahurtz |
May-18-05 07:12 PM |
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They had a report |
HarveyBrooks |
May-19-05 09:19 AM |
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For me, it would depend on the teachers... |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 10:56 AM |
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Are you serious? |
HarveyBrooks |
May-19-05 02:11 PM |
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Just knowing that teachers might be armed.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 06:14 PM |
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Finally! A town with some sense - |
lynne |
May-18-05 09:54 PM |
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Show me the study... |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 07:22 PM |
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It's the same study used - |
lynne |
May-19-05 07:46 PM |
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Yes, we do. |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 08:39 PM |
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Sorry you felt that way - |
lynne |
May-20-05 07:15 AM |
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Compare it all you want. |
HuckleB |
May-20-05 08:10 AM |
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In our town, it's called Fraternity Row |
mitchum |
May-18-05 09:56 PM |
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lol |
gatlingforme |
May-18-05 11:09 PM |
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You're bad. |
XanaDUer |
May-19-05 12:34 AM |
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That's just sound city planning! |
Chicago Democrat |
May-18-05 11:10 PM |
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When they came for the Sex Offenders, I said nothing... |
BiggJawn |
May-19-05 07:52 AM |
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I think maybe.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 11:00 AM |
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Then change the law. |
BiggJawn |
May-19-05 01:41 PM |
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Dude, stay on the point, |
Megahurtz |
May-19-05 01:45 PM |
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We ARE? |
BiggJawn |
May-19-05 04:52 PM |
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Don't accuse me of any "straw-fucking-buzzword-men" |
Megahurtz |
May-19-05 06:51 PM |
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Move???? |
BiggJawn |
May-19-05 09:01 PM |
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I didn't take the "move" comment as an implication on you..... |
DoNotRefill |
May-20-05 05:36 AM |
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That's kind of funny... |
BiggJawn |
May-20-05 07:46 AM |
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No Bigg Jawn..... |
Megahurtz |
May-20-05 02:53 PM |
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You speak of strawmen while trotting THIS out???? |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 06:35 PM |
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Why not? |
BiggJawn |
May-19-05 08:55 PM |
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Right On! |
Megahurtz |
May-19-05 01:42 PM |
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How would this law stop that from happening? |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 06:28 PM |
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The object is.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 06:37 PM |
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Yes, it might. |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 06:41 PM |
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So you're saying... |
DoNotRefill |
May-19-05 07:31 PM |
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No, it's not an all-or-nothing proposition. |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 08:37 PM |
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that's because the law just passed.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-20-05 05:34 AM |
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No. |
HuckleB |
May-20-05 08:07 AM |
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Ummm....once it's an ordinance.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-20-05 04:42 PM |
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You're kidding right? |
HuckleB |
May-20-05 05:20 PM |
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Dude, what exactly do you think they do.... |
DoNotRefill |
May-20-05 05:32 PM |
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Oh brother. |
HuckleB |
May-20-05 08:43 PM |
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How do you figure it's a "do nothing" proposition? |
DoNotRefill |
May-20-05 09:41 PM |
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Go back and read our conversation. |
HuckleB |
May-20-05 09:46 PM |
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How do you figure? |
DoNotRefill |
May-20-05 09:59 PM |
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Until just three years ago |
dsc |
May-20-05 09:12 PM |
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Child sex offenders get life.....problem solved. (nt) |
rinsd |
May-20-05 04:57 PM |
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well |
cygy2k |
May-19-05 05:36 PM |
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Personnally, I'd rather know where the |
lilymercury |
May-19-05 05:58 PM |
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Indeed, it is the unknowns. |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 06:31 PM |
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exactly, it's actually very, very rare for a stranger to molest, |
moobu2 |
May-19-05 09:52 PM |
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This stuff doesn't protect anyone. |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 06:27 PM |
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So ... |
BattyDem |
May-19-05 06:53 PM |
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Indeed. |
HuckleB |
May-19-05 06:56 PM |
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How does this affect price in the real estate "market," |
SimpleTrend |
May-19-05 06:54 PM |
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I think the town should've passed a law |
XemaSab |
May-20-05 06:14 PM |
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