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klebean Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 04:12 PM
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30. a bit of context
There are several treatment centers for priests who can't control their compulsion
to sexually abuse children, only one of which is not under Roman Catholic administration.
These centers originally sprang up to treat alcoholism, but within a few decades they
came to almost exclusively treat priests with "boundary" problems.

Bishops and cardinals have little control over whether or not to defrock a priest; there's a long-winded, bureaucratic process involving ultimately the Vatican's approval to do so. This contributed to more innocents being subject to preying priests. But, the penultimate cause to the widespread (world wide) pervasiveness of this scandal was a secret decree sent to all bishops and cardinals in 1962 specifying that the greatest sin is "scandal against the Church." Accusations of child abuse were thus not to be reported to any outside the Church, and investigations were to be conducted under the direction of the Vatican - (I'm leaving scads of material out) - Thomas Doyle got his hands on this document and after it was made public (all bishops/cardinals were under a pontifical oath of secrecy - upon pain of excommunication - to never reveal the existence of the decree),
Ratzinger issued in May 2001 a modification of the old decree, which is really no different than the old one as far as keeping the scandal within the Church. I believe the major point of difference is this one did not include the oath of secrecy to the pope, which may have been a legal maneuver - the '62 document is an argument for international obstruction of justice.

My point: Secrecy is the root of this problem and this is the issue that is most important to address with your children (for their protection). Besides "good touching/bad touching" clarifications, they need to understand the difference b/t good secret keeping and bad secret keeping, e.g., keeping a surprise party for mommy secret v. being asked to keep secrets that make you feel bad...needless to say, open lines of communication are number one priority. One of the first steps in grooming a child for abuse is to determine whether or not a child will or will not keep the secret - i.e., how much power can the abuser wield over the child. Most victims come from very devout (= trusting) families, or broken families where the child is vulnerable to the loving attention of another adult. As "men of God," priests were/are seen as God's representative on earth and can do no wrong, hence high levels of trust. The abuser grooms the whole family, not just the child.

"Our Fathers" by David France has been made into a Showtime movie, premiering May 21st. If you want an education, this is an easy place to start. The book is, of course, better. "Vows of Silence" is mind bending, especially in light of the world's new pope.
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  -LAT: A Glimpse at the Mind of a Pedophile (California priest's deposition) DeepModem Mom  May-11-05 09:28 AM   #0 
  - A Thug, Like Catholic ScumBag Father Feeney  saigon68   May-11-05 09:35 AM   #1 
  - a bit of context  klebean   May-11-05 04:12 PM   #30 
  - I had no bloody idea that  patsified   May-11-05 09:39 AM   #2 
  - Are you opposed to giving treatment to pedophiles? Since the laws don't  DemBones DemBones   May-11-05 09:50 AM   #3 
     - I didn't say that  patsified   May-11-05 09:55 AM   #4 
     - Pedophiles Are Less Inclined Towards Repeating Behavior In Group Homes  cryingshame   May-11-05 12:01 PM   #14 
     - Religious consequences  PATRICK   May-11-05 12:08 PM   #15 
     - There are one or two retreat centers for alcoholic priests, too, and  DemBones DemBones   May-11-05 12:10 PM   #16 
     - But let's not forget  MountainLaurel   May-11-05 09:56 AM   #6 
     - Good point, MountainLaurel. NT  patsified   May-11-05 09:57 AM   #7 
     - It's an issue near and dear  MountainLaurel   May-11-05 10:05 AM   #10 
     - Absolutely -- most kids are molested by a family member, not  DemBones DemBones   May-11-05 11:50 AM   #13 
     - pedophiles cannot be treated.  madrchsod   May-11-05 10:01 AM   #8 
     - I disagree-- IN WI we have a Sexual Predator Act  saigon68   May-11-05 10:04 AM   #9 
     - Good for Wisconsin. I think pedos and some rapists need to be  DemBones DemBones   May-11-05 12:13 PM   #17 
     - the problem is that they cannot be rehabilitated  donsu   May-11-05 10:23 AM   #11 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-11-05 10:37 AM   #12 
     - Yes, and I'm sure there is a genetic component, but that  DemBones DemBones   May-11-05 12:20 PM   #19 
     - Thank you for this post  patsified   May-11-05 12:24 PM   #21 
     - Pedophiles CANNOT be treated.  Megahurtz   May-11-05 12:19 PM   #18 
        - But if there's no law to jail them for life, what are we to do?  DemBones DemBones   May-11-05 12:24 PM   #20 
        - Amen! n/t  eissa   May-11-05 02:57 PM   #29 
  - Worthwhile article--disgusting, but worthwhile  MADem   May-11-05 09:55 AM   #5 
  - To me the question is why can't we face up to the fact that flawed genetic  heidler1   May-11-05 12:58 PM   #25 
  - Very enlightening! Depressingly insightful.  Merlin   May-11-05 12:25 PM   #22 
  - Mandatory Chemical Castration  iconoclastNYC   May-11-05 12:40 PM   #23 
  - Good short read, and the last sentence floored me...  slackmaster   May-11-05 12:52 PM   #24 
  - That really bothered me, too.  Ariana Celeste   May-11-05 02:49 PM   #28 
  - It's a mental condition, why are they not in mental hospitals for life?  Catfight   May-11-05 01:02 PM   #26 
     - No bedspace  GoddessOfGuinness   May-11-05 02:02 PM   #27 

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