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57. The army has ALREADY cleared the higher-ranking officers:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: "MASSIVE TORTURE/ABUSE COVERUP 4 top Army officers CLEARED"
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  -Judge rejects Englands Guilty plea CNN right now rodeodance  May-04-05 01:31 PM   #0 
  - Mistrial declaired by judge  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:32 PM   #1 
  - means her plea was also thrown out.  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:32 PM   #4 
  - Link  ronnykmarshall   May-04-05 01:32 PM   #2 
  - thanks for the link  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:33 PM   #5 
  - ...  dolo amber   May-04-05 01:34 PM   #8 
  - You may  shadowknows69   May-04-05 01:34 PM   #11 
     - Please be more specific  Don Claybrook   May-04-05 01:46 PM   #37 
  - because of the "she was oxygen deprived BS?"  shadowknows69   May-04-05 01:32 PM   #3 
  - her superior (already in jail) said pics had leg. usage was the reason  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:34 PM   #9 
  - If she really was oxygen deprived,  funkybutt   May-04-05 01:36 PM   #14 
  - If she was oxygen deprived, then she's retarded? The US Military takes in  radwriter0555   May-04-05 01:37 PM   #21 
     - Maybe you're being sarcastic  funkybutt   May-04-05 01:44 PM   #33 
     - Did she know right from wrong?  democracyindanger   May-04-05 01:49 PM   #42 
        - Amen!  proud2Blib   May-04-05 02:01 PM   #54 
        - True, but how did masks, hoods, leashes and other torture paraphanalia  FourStarDemocrat   May-04-05 08:00 PM   #135 
        - I didn't say that she didn't know right from wrong  funkybutt   May-04-05 02:08 PM   #62 
        - "Killing is wrong." "Go kill."  TahitiNut   May-04-05 02:25 PM   #78 
        - Thanks for making it clear  democracyindanger   May-04-05 02:56 PM   #94 
        - TahitiNut can definitely speak for himself, but you do YOURSELF no  Eloriel   May-04-05 03:35 PM   #113 
           - You speak the truth  Toots   May-04-05 04:05 PM   #123 
           - You know what's really annoying?  democracyindanger   May-04-05 04:29 PM   #127 
           - (Back after power failure.) Eloriel's response is excellent..  TahitiNut   May-04-05 06:55 PM   #134 
           - Ya know,  democracyindanger   May-04-05 08:10 PM   #138 
              - "Mixed messages" is EXACTLY the point.  TahitiNut   May-04-05 10:32 PM   #181 
                 - Okay, now we're getting somewhere  democracyindanger   May-04-05 11:21 PM   #183 
                    - I definitely said "at the risk of oversimplifying" for a reason.  TahitiNut   May-04-05 11:56 PM   #186 
                       - I think  democracyindanger   May-05-05 12:19 AM   #189 
           - JMO But this all just proves that the bush culture rewards stupidity  Carni   May-04-05 08:31 PM   #140 
           - Thank you. TN is ANYTHING but a torture apologist.  Zhade   May-04-05 08:36 PM   #141 
              - You're right  democracyindanger   May-04-05 10:09 PM   #180 
                 - Blah, blah, blah. You obviously misunderstood TN.  Zhade   May-04-05 11:17 PM   #182 
                    - And yet, you reply.  democracyindanger   May-04-05 11:25 PM   #184 
                       - Zhade is generously (to me) making the point that ...  TahitiNut   May-05-05 12:09 AM   #187 
        - Beautiful post. nt  BullGooseLoony   May-04-05 03:47 PM   #120 
        - We're Not Apologizing....  iamjoy   May-04-05 02:51 PM   #93 
        - Right.  jayctravis   May-04-05 03:03 PM   #98 
     - Yes the US military does take in mentally unstable and impaired people.  LynnTheDem   May-04-05 04:04 PM   #122 
     - BTW... the recruits take in mentally ill and drug abusers now too  halobeam   May-04-05 04:38 PM   #130 
  - It is; to accept all these war lies, DeLay, Bush**, the theocracy that is  AlinPA   May-04-05 01:38 PM   # 
  - I would suggest you go talk to a medical doctor  SGBL   May-04-05 01:38 PM   #24 
  - No, the judge said she might not be guilty.  grytpype   May-04-05 01:45 PM   #35 
  - Good thing she wasn't in Texas....  Liberal Veteran   May-04-05 02:05 PM   #58 
  - Because the judge knows they were trying to get  Charles19   May-04-05 02:34 PM   #85 
  - Good  underpants   May-04-05 01:33 PM   #6 
  - So they can force her to plead innocent?  funkybutt   May-04-05 01:33 PM   #7 
  - this could and I mean could destroy the myth of a few bad apples  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:35 PM   #13 
  - In military court the judge can change the plea if he thinks  Charles19   May-04-05 02:35 PM   #87 
  - Maybe the judge senses that she's being coerced. That there's a  FourStarDemocrat   May-04-05 08:04 PM   #137 
  - I say good  demnan   May-04-05 01:34 PM   #10 
  - they're too busy flying jets and fighting bad guys in JAG  shadowknows69   May-04-05 01:36 PM   #16 
  - let you imagination run--give us a few hints.  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:37 PM   #20 
  - no more JAG  ananda   May-04-05 01:48 PM   #40 
  - I wish  Horse with no Name   May-04-05 02:18 PM   #70 
  - Just keep this in mind:  OldLeftieLawyer   May-04-05 03:11 PM   #101 
     - I'm with you! "You can't have a one person conspiracy"  sfexpat2000   May-04-05 04:09 PM   #125 
     - Can you imagine  LibertyorDeath   May-04-05 09:45 PM   #179 
  - But..but..wouldn't this make him an "activist judge"?!  mac56   May-04-05 01:34 PM   #12 
  - I just betcha the brass is shaking right now (unless they quick get it  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:36 PM   #15 
  - repukes will label the judge as "liberal"  harpo   May-04-05 01:36 PM   #17 
  - that is an oxymoran-- a liberal military judge. (it was a mil. judge  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:39 PM   #25 
  - what a silly statement  qazplm   May-04-05 02:32 PM   #84 
  - Or even worse, a Constitutionalist  nolabels   May-04-05 02:11 PM   # 
     - No, the Nazis just exterminated people  OldLeftieLawyer   May-04-05 03:12 PM   #102 
        - and what exactly did the Iraqis do to deserve what happening to them?  nolabels   May-04-05 04:06 PM   #124 
           - THAT, I agree with  OldLeftieLawyer   May-04-05 04:32 PM   #128 
              - Somehow it does to me  nolabels   May-06-05 03:25 AM   #232 
  - Wow, could this mean a trial where evidence of the 'higher-ups'  Spazito   May-04-05 01:37 PM   #18 
  - No. It means that no one will be held responsible.  erichzann   May-04-05 01:41 PM   #27 
     - i do not agree with you--I think this is an opportunity for it to go  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:42 PM   #30 
        - Her buddy grainer  endarkenment   May-04-05 01:56 PM   #47 
        - "Her buddy Graner" screwed her TWICE...  BornaDem   May-04-05 02:19 PM   #71 
        - I agree that Graner was trying to take her down  laptoprepairguy   May-04-05 04:25 PM   #126 
        - Once In the Military, All Your Constitutional Rights Go Bye-Bye  AndyTiedye   May-04-05 02:19 PM   #72 
        - I'm not suprised that you don't agree.  erichzann   May-04-05 02:02 PM   #55 
        - I'm in agreement  ewagner   May-04-05 02:13 PM   #68 
        - I hope so. Let's face it., she should be punished. But she is the least  burn the bush   May-04-05 03:01 PM   #97 
  - Veeeery interseting....  tk2kewl   May-04-05 01:37 PM   #19 
  - Darned activist military judges CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!  rocknation   May-04-05 01:38 PM   #22 
  - Aha, mistrial. Now I see why Lynndie's attorney let this guy testify  fob   May-04-05 01:44 PM   #32 
     - So do I...  BornaDem   May-04-05 02:29 PM   #80 
        - How are you coming up with this stuff?  OldLeftieLawyer   May-04-05 03:15 PM   #103 
           - no its not necessarily  qazplm   May-04-05 03:19 PM   #106 
              - I don't disagree with your assessment  OldLeftieLawyer   May-04-05 03:23 PM   #108 
  - A Pentagon Nightmare: If England Walks, That Means She Can Also Talk!  David Zephyr   May-04-05 01:38 PM   #23 
  - "You can't have a one-person conspiracy," the judge said  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:41 PM   #28 
  - The key to me is this:  mohinoaklawnillinois   May-04-05 01:44 PM   #31 
  - If she had anything damning  zipplewrath   May-04-05 01:47 PM   #39 
  - To the contrary-  David Zephyr   May-04-05 03:40 PM   #118 
     - He's lost alot of credibility  zipplewrath   May-05-05 04:03 PM   #226 
  - yabba dabba doooooo lets hope you are RIGHT  rodeodance   May-04-05 02:08 PM   #63 
     - Today was a very bad day for the White House & Pentagon  David Zephyr   May-04-05 03:49 PM   #121 
  - Bizarre. Almost as if they are trying to work it out so that Graner  spunky   May-04-05 01:40 PM   #26 
  - they had a falling out from what I have heard--in fact--the artist was  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:45 PM   #36 
     - hmm. Didn't know that. I still think she will walk. n/t  spunky   May-04-05 01:50 PM   #43 
     - If this is true...  BornaDem   May-04-05 02:32 PM   #83 
  - I don't believe anything good comes from this.  erichzann   May-04-05 01:42 PM   #29 
  - What will happen now. Is it likely the Army will drop the case.?If I were  Boneman   May-04-05 01:45 PM   #34 
  - I will have to find "don't forget the horn" comment by England re: Graner  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:47 PM   #38 
  - Go to CNN.com. It's there. n/t  RebelOne   May-04-05 01:58 PM   #50 
     - thanks, i will  rodeodance   May-04-05 02:00 PM   #52 
  - well, everyone was very surprized when the judge stopped the trial-this  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:49 PM   #41 
     - It appears as if many of the admin's "slam dunks" are being...  Javaman   May-04-05 01:56 PM   #48 
  - Well then, she's screwed.  txaslftist   May-04-05 01:53 PM   #44 
  - Don't they have the option not to retry her? This may be very good for  spunky   May-04-05 01:55 PM   #46 
  - Cnn was rattling off about 5 possible future actions--but no one knows  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:58 PM   #51 
  - Sure they have that option...  txaslftist   May-04-05 02:01 PM   #53 
     - I might have agreed before today, but look how they are setting it up  spunky   May-04-05 02:10 PM   #64 
        - Watch it happen, then.  txaslftist   May-04-05 02:11 PM   #66 
           - We'll see. Maybe I'm wrong. I just think something stinks. Why wasn't  spunky   May-04-05 02:20 PM   #75 
           - I should have guessed - another lawyer?  BornaDem   May-04-05 02:45 PM   #92 
  - no it doesnt  qazplm   May-04-05 02:36 PM   #88 
  - Glad somebody else has figured out what...  BornaDem   May-04-05 02:40 PM   #89 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-04-05 01:54 PM   #45 
  - judge says "England may not have known what she was doing was wrong."  rodeodance   May-04-05 01:56 PM   #49 
  - Here is England's 'don't for the horn's" comment about Graner  rodeodance   May-04-05 02:05 PM   #60 
     - Does that mean she sees him as EVIL or HORNY?  TahitiNut   May-04-05 02:35 PM   #86 
  - Weird...  txaslftist   May-04-05 02:05 PM   #59 
     - I've never had a guilty client  OldLeftieLawyer   May-04-05 03:18 PM   #105 
        - I've had TONS of guilty clients.  txaslftist   May-04-05 03:36 PM   #114 
           - You're tougher than I am  OldLeftieLawyer   May-04-05 04:33 PM   #129 
  - "You can't have a one-person conspiracy"  AliB   May-04-05 02:04 PM   #56 
  - if the media gets on this story we have a chance of it going higher.  rodeodance   May-04-05 02:07 PM   #61 
  - Welcome to DU, AliB! And I hope very much that the high-ranking  Nothing Without Hope   May-04-05 02:11 PM   #65 
  - The army has ALREADY cleared the higher-ranking officers:  Nothing Without Hope   May-04-05 02:04 PM   #57 
  - For which one's exactly? it looks there has to be thousands of cases  nolabels   May-04-05 02:20 PM   #74 
  - And then there's the routine kidnapping and torture by the CIA:  Nothing Without Hope   May-04-05 02:27 PM   #79 
  - but that was an internal investigation--not a trial--they could be tried  rodeodance   May-04-05 02:21 PM   #76 
     - DING DING DING! Rodeodance, you're our grand prize winner!  rocknation   May-04-05 08:28 PM   #139 
  - whoa big news. must have been because of that other guy's testimony.  UCLA Dem   May-04-05 02:13 PM   #67 
  - Hurrah! Justice for once....No way is she guilty of anything.  Chicago Democrat   May-04-05 02:16 PM   #69 
  - this thread should be nominated  rodeodance   May-04-05 02:20 PM   #73 
  - Yay! Invalidate the sentences of the SS camp guards!  democracyindanger   May-04-05 02:58 PM   #95 
     - The bosses of the SS guards were tried at Nuremberg....  Bridget Burke   May-04-05 03:05 PM   #99 
        - Yeah, I know that  democracyindanger   May-04-05 03:09 PM   #100 
        - LOL  lonestarnot   May-04-05 03:24 PM   #110 
        - Comparison of Abu Garaib to SS Guards at Nazi Death Camps  Chicago Democrat   May-04-05 06:42 PM   #133 
  - It's so obvious this crap came from higher ups  killbotfactory   May-04-05 02:25 PM   #77 
  - The smoking gun is out there...  JRob   May-04-05 02:31 PM   #81 
  - I give credit to the judge for not rubber-stamping the plea bargain  noonwitch   May-04-05 02:32 PM   #82 
  - this isnt what everyone is making it...  qazplm   May-04-05 02:43 PM   #91 
  - You mean the Corny News Network  liberalhistorian   May-04-05 02:40 PM   #90 
  - Judges don't find waffling on guilt in a plea deal amusing.  Zynx   May-04-05 02:59 PM   #96 
  - Are you assuming this was the intention of the Defense?  funkybutt   May-04-05 03:44 PM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-04-05 03:16 PM   #104 
  - If she was doing as told by her bosses  Ksec   May-04-05 03:21 PM   #107 
  - It's not a crime to refuse an illegal order in the military  killbotfactory   May-04-05 03:23 PM   #109 
     - people get courtmartialed  Ksec   May-04-05 03:25 PM   #111 
  - Justice must be served  Jack Rabbit   May-04-05 03:31 PM   #112 
  - L. England's Guilty Plea Rejected  Firenze777   May-04-05 03:38 PM   #115 
  - Let's hope  LuckyTheDog   May-04-05 03:38 PM   #116 
  - duplicate thread  Beaverhausen   May-04-05 03:38 PM   #117 
  - she is the 'poster child" of this abuse scandel and it will not die-but  rodeodance   May-04-05 04:42 PM   #131 
  - Love it. Put Gonzalez & Rummy on trial  FourStarDemocrat   May-04-05 08:02 PM   #136 
  - Huh???  brettdale   May-04-05 05:18 PM   #132 
  - Mistrial declared in Lynndie England Case BREAKING  goodboy   May-04-05 08:58 PM   #142 
  - Dallas news...  rainbow4321   May-04-05 08:58 PM   #143 
  - "she was unware that she was committing a crime?" Look, I agree  goodboy   May-04-05 08:58 PM   #144 
  - Have you ever broken a law? If you have, then aren't you also a dumbass?  jody   May-04-05 08:58 PM   #145 
  - Yeah, only I knew when I was breaking the law, I was breaking the law  goodboy   May-04-05 08:58 PM   #147 
     - Was your answer "I am a dumbass just like Pvt. England"? n/t  jody   May-05-05 06:42 AM   #190 
  - This is one of two things:  wtmusic   May-04-05 08:58 PM   #146 
  - Let's Hope It Is Number Two  mhr   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #148 
  - #2  lonestarnot   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #160 
  - Well For Your Information  atreides1   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #150 
  - or, he feels sorry for her  orangepeel68   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #151 
  - Option Three  benburch   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #152 
  - #3 better yet... do we have a number 4  lonestarnot   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #161 
  - It's number two  in search of sanity   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #163 
  - uh #2's a little reality based.  SlavesandBulldozers   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #166 
  - she was stupid but could she not have well thought she was ...  Pepperbelly   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #153 
  - anything's possible, I guess. Did she say in her testimony whether  goodboy   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #156 
     - it's too surreal to contemplate ...  Pepperbelly   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #159 
        - Not to  goodboy   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #164 
           - I don't know ...  Pepperbelly   May-04-05 09:07 PM   #178 
  - she would be "unaware" if she believed she was following military orders  FourStarDemocrat   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #167 
  - I'm defending England, but I take it  RC   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #177 
  - Until they prosecute a commissioned officer, its all a sham  Joey Liberal   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #149 
  - As a former NCO  atreides1   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #154 
  - "the bravest of the Abu Ghraib incident..."  goodboy   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #165 
  - I'll call this #5 BEST OF BEST so far!  lonestarnot   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #162 
  - excellent point  SlavesandBulldozers   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #169 
  - I am sorry for her  oneighty   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #155 
  - That's just it - while she may have known the treatment of the  lulu in NC   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #170 
  - of course you are  bpilgrim   May-05-05 12:16 AM   #188 
     - I spent many years in the service  oneighty   May-05-05 07:37 AM   #191 
        - so have i  bpilgrim   May-05-05 02:07 PM   #222 
           - I know I had military service.  oneighty   May-05-05 02:57 PM   #223 
              - then why did you contradict your self?  bpilgrim   May-05-05 03:17 PM   #224 
                 - Do you have an agenda?  oneighty   May-05-05 03:41 PM   #225 
                    - lol - now i have an agenda...  bpilgrim   May-05-05 05:54 PM   #227 
                       - Boy I really do not understand your ramblings.  oneighty   May-05-05 06:05 PM   #228 
                          - insulting, cop outs  bpilgrim   May-05-05 06:21 PM   #229 
                             - Peace unto you too  oneighty   May-05-05 06:23 PM   #230 
  - Graner deliberately threw a spanner in the works  sr_pacifica   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #157 
  - Who are those stupid lawyers who are hanging around her?  The_Casual_Observer   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #158 
  - i suppose the judge has the highest responsibility  SlavesandBulldozers   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #171 
  - You do NOT need to be aware that you are breaking the law  Gyre   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #168 
  - isn't there a whole different set of laws for the military though?  SlavesandBulldozers   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #173 
  - You do neeed  Sgent   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #174 
  - So she didn't know that  proud2Blib   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #172 
     - my sentiments exactly. I realize she's a scapegoat, and I would  goodboy   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #175 
     - She probably knew that it wasn't really a very good thing to be doing,  Matilda   May-04-05 08:59 PM   #176 
     - The Psycho Freeprs Think She Should Get A MEDAL....  K8-EEE   May-04-05 11:26 PM   #185 
  - Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea  smiley   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #192 
     - Indeed....The military judge told her she can't plead not guilty  JohnnyRingo   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #193 
     - And that could be the plan.  smiley   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #195 
        - She is not pregnant  Erika   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #198 
           - since when?  smiley   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #202 
              - She already had the baby. n/t  charlyvi   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #208 
                 - momentary lapse of memory  smiley   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #211 
     - Excuse me, no honorable soldier would be pictured  Erika   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #194 
     - Retarded?  smiley   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #196 
     - On Tube-News Today - Yes...  AuntiBush   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #200 
     - Really? Bullshit.  kaflinn   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #219 
     - Yes, Oxygen-deprived at birth  Erika   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #203 
        - You're a Genius, Erika!  AuntiBush   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #209 
           - True AuntiBush  Erika   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #217 
              - yet has nothing to do w/ the Abu Graib..  smiley   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #218 
     - And to think, this is the type of kids they're giving guns too  AuntiBush   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #197 
     - And how do you describe Graner...  smiley   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #199 
     - And you are?  AuntiBush   May-05-05 07:57 AM   #201 
     - human  smiley   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #204 
     - It is not important how I describe them  Erika   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #205 
     - Erika is Exactly Right! Facts from Court Reports!  AuntiBush   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #207 
     - Thanks  Erika   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #212 
        - What does that have to do w/ anything.  smiley   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #214 
     - Does that really mean anything in militay court?  smiley   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #213 
     - Here ya go.  AuntiBush   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #206 
        - only retarded people could be so cruel.  smiley   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #210 
           - Her superior officer said she did what she did under orders  Erika   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #215 
              - forgot to mention the sarcasm.  smiley   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #216 
     - She is typical of the "cream" recruited and skimmed by todays military  saigon68   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #220 
     - big ugly thread last night about her...  fleabert   May-05-05 07:58 AM   #221 
        - all tortures need to be held to account if we hope to STOP this HORROR  bpilgrim   May-05-05 06:28 PM   #231 
 

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