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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 10:41 PM
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44. I would love to have seen Gore get a chance to use his lock box
I'm with you in spirit all the way, but we do part company a bit on the facts.

First, as I mentioned in my original post, the Clinton surpluses were actually deficits once you account for the purloined trust funds. Not anywhere near as bad as the current deficits, of course, but deficits all the same.

The last real, true budget surplus run in this country was in 1969, under Nixon.

Second, while the absolute dollar figures of the current deficits are staggering, when viewed as a percentage of GDP (as economists do), they are not the worst ever; in fact, they are more-or-less in line with norms of the last 30 years. The sad thing is, they could have been a lot less. Thanks for nothing, *.

But the deficits that scare me are the ones yet to come.

We have to pay back all the money stolen/borrowed from the SS trust funds. There's a couple of trillion right there. Then we have to figure out how to fund Medicare. No one talks about it, yet it is more threatening than SS.

Peace.
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  - The 'Future Poor' ...  Trajan   Apr-28-05 07:57 PM   #1 
  - uh huh  Avalon Sparks   Apr-28-05 07:58 PM   #2 
  - Are you F*CKING kidding me?  porkrind   Apr-28-05 08:02 PM   #3 
  - Dem's Consistent: Bush IS taking SS Surplus & that new Budget  AuntiBush   Apr-28-05 08:06 PM   #4 
  - Raiding the trust fund started back in the 60s  Psephos   Apr-28-05 10:42 PM   #15 
     - I'm sure it was never as bad as under as under Reagan Bush 41 and Bush 43  BrendaStarr   Apr-29-05 01:09 AM   #23 
        - I would love to have seen Gore get a chance to use his lock box  Psephos   Apr-29-05 10:41 PM   #44 
  - Defining "Poor"  SoCalDem   Apr-28-05 08:17 PM   #5 
  - Also red areas are "poor"  BrendaStarr   Apr-29-05 01:20 AM   #24 
     - Wage cap needs to GO...and always needed to go..  SoCalDem   Apr-29-05 01:38 AM   #25 
  - Well, maybe it WILL help some of the future's poor:  damntexdem   Apr-28-05 08:32 PM   #6 
  - "Bush Pushes Soc. Sec. for Future's Poor"  area51   Apr-28-05 09:01 PM   #7 
  - means testing  kainah   Apr-28-05 09:03 PM   #8 
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  - Bush Smiles At The Little Guy  high density   Apr-28-05 09:15 PM   #10 
  - That title belongs on no piece of fair journalism unless  RUMMYisFROSTED   Apr-28-05 11:07 PM   #18 
  - Bush Pitches Less Soc. Sec. for Better-Off  Pirate Smile   Apr-28-05 09:29 PM   #11 
  - Bush still has no social security reform plan, it's still all talk......  whistle   Apr-28-05 09:29 PM   #12 
  - NYT: Bush Cites Plan That Would Cut Social Security  Rose Siding   Apr-28-05 10:29 PM   #13 
  - Ha! and the WP: Bush Social Security Plan Would Cut Future Benefits  Rose Siding   Apr-28-05 10:54 PM   #16 
  - I personally liked his statement that the poor would  Selteri   Apr-28-05 10:37 PM   #14 
  - Try Inflationary.  wellst0nev0ter   Apr-29-05 11:01 AM   #42 
  - here's my favorite part on SS  stevebreeze   Apr-28-05 11:05 PM   #17 
  - Who the hell is this "democrat" Pozen?????  Southsideirish   Apr-29-05 12:20 AM   #19 
  - " ... former economic adviser to GOP Gov. Mitt Romney ..."  struggle4progress   Apr-29-05 10:10 PM   #43 
  - And his concern for the poor? As reflected in recent Medicaid cuts?  zann725   Apr-29-05 12:55 AM   #20 
  - And his concern for the poor? As reflected in recent Medicaid cuts?  zann725   Apr-29-05 12:55 AM   #21 
  - And his concern for the poor? As reflected in recent Medicaid cuts?  zann725   Apr-29-05 12:55 AM   #22 
  - Rich, middle class benefit could drop  NNN0LHI   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #26 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #27 
  - And should be proud of taking no benefit  soupkitchen   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #28 
  - Bunch of lying stealing politicians.  fasttense   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #29 
  - Didn't * classify anyone "earning" more than $20,000...  etherealtruth   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #30 
  - How to destroy SS by making it like 'welfare'  Jacobin   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #31 
  - ding ding ding  Mel   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #35 
  - That is why FDR set up Social Security as he did.  happyslug   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #38 
  - As he spoke, the Budget passed....  Bridget Burke   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #32 
  - If anyone but Bushco was proposing this, I might consider it. I  tsuki   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #33 
  - So what's the cut-off income?  BiggJawn   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #34 
  - Good Question  DanCa   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #37 
  - Until the benefits for the poor catch up with the benefits for the rich  TheBorealAvenger   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #36 
  - Retailers should oppose this. Old folks will have *less* expendable  w4rma   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #39 
  - Not could, will. And in the long run, everyone's benefits will be cut.  Tempest   Apr-29-05 10:14 AM   #40 
  - Just like the Bankruptcy Bill  KayLaw   Apr-29-05 10:23 AM   #41 
 

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