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79. Maybe so.
On the other hand, the argument could be made that when one's character is impugned, the best defense is witnesses other than one-self. Where were the other Dems, when their standard-bearers (who were known to be almost too good to be true: Gore was routinely referred to as a "boy-scout" by those who seemingly knew him well; Kerry needs no other witness beyond VVAW and his whole career) were being so vicously attacked? If your own will not stand up for you, who will, given that you are not yourself a credible defender of your own integrity beyond your actual conduct?

What was done to the reputations of Gore and Kerry did not really demean the media and the Rethugs in my eyes, they each had at least some perverted self-interest -- what was in the silence of/for the Dems? It nearly made me a cynic, an eternal optimist. I have said it many times on this forum and because it is so critically important, I will say it again, until the Dems stand up for each other, it doesnt even matter that the voting machinery is rigged.

Two glaring examples how bad the situation is for Dem Presidential candidates: When Gore had won the popular vote, when innumerable AA's had arguably been disenfranchised in Florida, and in the face of brazen rethug unity, there was Ed Rendell on Chris Matthews' show "Gore should pack it in"! And here you had Kerry, the guy who fought for his country and spoken out against an unjust, unwinnable war, attacked by the troop-supporting whack jobs on the right and nary a peep from the Dems on the talking head shows, which is were visibility for an issue is won. Kerry tried to defend himself and the Dems piled on him, saying he should not have been so serious about it.

If I didnt know better, I would have thought I was watching a bizarre movie...

The wing nuts seem to run better campaigns only because the media will not amplify in their echo chamber the gaffes that the boy-king made in both campaigns. I will catalog them in a later post...
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  Kerry: Don't tell me what God wants Gman  Apr-21-05 07:21 AM   #0 
   well that's certainly to the point.  xchrom   Apr-21-05 07:23 AM   #1 
   And that is where we have to get  Freedom_from_Chains   Apr-21-05 08:09 AM   #17 
   I guess Cardinal Rat Man and his attempt to control US elections  saigon68   Apr-21-05 01:37 PM   #100 
   do they hate our freedom?  radfringe   Apr-22-05 06:03 AM   #162 
      Yes, they hate freedom, in all its forms.  Freedom_from_Chains   Apr-22-05 11:37 AM   #166 
   Here is some more or the text.  Pirate Smile   Apr-21-05 08:31 AM   #24 
   Kerry is absolutely right about the weird  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-21-05 08:52 AM   #30 
   That is sick....And not at all sanctioned by the church.  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-21-05 09:17 AM   #40 
   what delightful tulips!  jean   Apr-21-05 07:24 PM   #137 
      Google Tulips.  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-21-05 09:22 PM   #144 
   Urgh...  sakabatou   Apr-21-05 02:05 PM   #109 
   This is 1 more reason why I PROUDLY voted for this man!  AuntiBush   Apr-21-05 07:42 PM   #140 
   I agree. If he had only said that during the elections. That is the kind  merwin   Apr-21-05 11:51 AM   #82 
   I'm no Kerry basher, but  Vash the Stampede   Apr-21-05 07:24 AM   #2 
   Resounding YES!  BrainRants   Apr-21-05 07:26 AM   #3 
   I somewhat agree  shadowknows69   Apr-21-05 01:46 PM   #103 
      I disagree  OldLeftieLawyer   Apr-21-05 06:38 PM   #131 
         I'm with you "OldLeftieLawyer!"  AuntiBush   Apr-21-05 07:53 PM   #142 
            I didn't say I didn't agree just that it will be hard  shadowknows69   Apr-22-05 12:42 AM   #151 
   so couLd have aL gore in 2000  sniffa   Apr-21-05 07:26 AM   #5 
   Don't get me wrong at all - I'm glad he said it.  Vash the Stampede   Apr-21-05 07:54 AM   #13 
   oh i know  sniffa   Apr-21-05 08:09 AM   #16 
      How about both -- attack AND assert a position? I agree...  DrZeeLit   Apr-21-05 09:13 AM   #37 
      Is that a doctored photo -  Maat   Apr-21-05 12:49 PM   #87 
         As far as I know, not doctored... BUT... I didn't take it; a friend sent  DrZeeLit   Apr-21-05 04:24 PM   #121 
            Thanks.  Maat   Apr-21-05 04:53 PM   #123 
      I wish they would have  antonialee839   Apr-21-05 01:15 PM   #92 
      Yes, but you would think  Oregonian   Apr-22-05 11:32 AM   #165 
   I swear I think our last two candidates  tavalon   Apr-21-05 08:18 AM   #23 
   that's a very smart point  ginnyinWI   Apr-21-05 01:34 PM   #97 
   Two words: Al From  Hand   Apr-21-05 01:40 PM   #101 
      From hates Kerry and does not advise him.  blm   Apr-21-05 05:47 PM   #124 
      Don't forget Bob Schrum  OldLeftieLawyer   Apr-21-05 06:41 PM   #132 
         Don't forget he was the twit who replaced  dragon695   Apr-21-05 06:44 PM   #133 
         Bingo!  Demgirl   Apr-21-05 07:32 PM   #139 
   Can someone teLL me...  kiki   Apr-21-05 08:48 AM   #28 
   did you check the FAQ's?  sniffa   Apr-21-05 08:56 AM   #31 
   Can't immediately see anything about it on there...  kiki   Apr-21-05 09:08 AM   #35 
      Sniffa's keyboard has some "issues" with the letter L.  Pirate Smile   Apr-21-05 10:25 AM   #63 
         Sniffa always caps the "L" because it's the first letter of "liberal"  Straight Shooter   Apr-21-05 11:29 AM   #76 
   sniffa's trademark  antigone382   Apr-21-05 11:33 AM   #78 
      And that's on the FAQ?  kiki   Apr-21-05 11:43 AM   #80 
   What didn't get emphasized in 2000...  Virginian   Apr-21-05 12:00 PM   #83 
   The real question is, will it be used by Dem Pres Candidate "X" in '08?  BrainRants   Apr-21-05 07:30 AM   #8 
   If he had, would it have been covered?  Pigwidgeon   Apr-21-05 07:35 AM   #11 
   I think THAT would've been reported.  Vash the Stampede   Apr-21-05 07:54 AM   #14 
   It would have been covered and twisted...  Ilsa   Apr-21-05 08:49 AM   #29 
   Yeah, that's probably more to the truth.  Vash the Stampede   Apr-21-05 09:01 AM   #33 
   Oh! It Would Have Been Covered Alright!  maxrandb   Apr-21-05 09:49 AM   #50 
      Wow  Frances   Apr-21-05 11:13 AM   #68 
      that's some stunning writing.  SlavesandBulldozers   Apr-21-05 06:11 PM   #127 
      You nailed it!  Career Prole   Apr-21-05 06:21 PM   #129 
   Actually, we could have used that 20 years ago. n/t  Freedom_from_Chains   Apr-21-05 08:09 AM   #18 
   I think Kerry got himself an education when he ran.  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-21-05 08:10 AM   #19 
   I recall that Kerry was caught on tape  LibDemAlways   Apr-21-05 09:49 AM   #49 
      Yes! Total agreement here.  glitch   Apr-21-05 11:17 AM   #71 
      He said, "these people are the biggest bunch of crooks and  sfexpat2000   Apr-21-05 01:02 PM   #89 
      agree - the learning curve  xxqqqzme   Apr-21-05 01:17 PM   #93 
   We could also use some info about Bush's Consumption Tax  nodictators   Apr-21-05 08:46 AM   #26 
   Funny thing is...I heard him speak right before the election...  Hong Kong Cavalier   Apr-21-05 10:02 AM   #55 
   exactly  ginnyinWI   Apr-21-05 01:44 PM   #102 
   Always "summarizing" Kerry, and Cherry-Picking the best Bush Quotes  emulatorloo   Apr-21-05 04:01 PM   #117 
   Exactly  AlmightyTallest   Apr-22-05 01:42 AM   #152 
   Aye!  chimpsrsmarter   Apr-21-05 10:53 AM   #66 
   No kidding.  calimary   Apr-21-05 11:21 AM   #72 
   You mean like at the convention  WilliamPitt   Apr-21-05 01:25 PM   #96 
   No, like he said explicitly here.  Vash the Stampede   Apr-21-05 02:04 PM   #108 
   You know, maybe this is good though.  jayctravis   Apr-21-05 04:20 PM   #120 
   Kerry would not have been able to say this...  Writer   Apr-21-05 07:02 PM   #134 
   I agree - last year was the best time for this, but I welcome it anytime  hatrack   Apr-21-05 07:23 PM   #136 
   I wanted a carnivorous, "Wolverine from the X-Men" John Kerry.  Bush_Eats_Beef   Apr-21-05 07:28 PM   #138 
      I truly agree.  Vash the Stampede   Apr-22-05 11:32 AM   #164 
   Obviously Kerry has yet to speak to Ratzinger!  IndianaGreen   Apr-21-05 07:26 AM   #4 
   He needs to moon the Bush lackey, Ratzigwhatever his name is!  NVMojo   Apr-21-05 07:31 AM   #10 
   Word  AlmightyTallest   Apr-22-05 01:47 AM   #153 
   You mean PAPA RATZI.....he's pandering to worldwide conservative arm-twist  chomskysright   Apr-21-05 11:33 AM   #77 
   ``We're talking about values? You show me where in the New Testament.....  LynneSin   Apr-21-05 07:27 AM   #6 
   Where were y'all during the '04 and '00 campaigns?  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 09:05 AM   #34 
      Thank You! Remember Kerry Using The Passage About Deeds Over Words?  cryingshame   Apr-21-05 09:17 AM   #39 
      Absolutely!  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 09:20 AM   #42 
      I think both Gore and Kerry ran weak campaigns.  smoogatz   Apr-21-05 10:24 AM   #62 
         Maybe so.  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 11:37 AM   #79 
            Thanks for your post  Laurab   Apr-21-05 02:43 PM   #114 
   Nominate this up to the Front Page!!! Go Kerry!!! Give them a reality  NVMojo   Apr-21-05 07:30 AM   #7 
   Nominated.  cryingshame   Apr-21-05 09:18 AM   #41 
   Is that...  Steely_Dan   Apr-21-05 10:07 AM   #59 
   God is very useful...  Branjor   Apr-21-05 07:31 AM   #9 
   Very true  jimshoes   Apr-21-05 07:42 AM   #12 
   Good for Kerry!  Jawja   Apr-21-05 08:02 AM   #15 
   over the meaning of religion and it's place in politics.  Freedom_from_Chains   Apr-21-05 08:12 AM   #20 
   It's nice to see Kerry finding his "inner warrior"...  sadiesworld   Apr-21-05 08:12 AM   #21 
   You mean his balls?  wallwriter   Apr-21-05 08:56 AM   #32 
   See my post above...  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 09:35 AM   #46 
      Oh boy, you fucking showed me.  sadiesworld   Apr-21-05 10:02 AM   #54 
      yeah, sadiesworld, did you walk a mile in his shoes when he was  NVMojo   Apr-21-05 10:06 AM   #58 
   Could someone explain to me  tavalon   Apr-21-05 08:16 AM   #22 
   I think we can see one reason is "The Scream"  Patiod   Apr-21-05 08:46 AM   #27 
   I think this shit started in 1972  Art_from_Ark   Apr-21-05 09:13 AM   #38 
   they do need to be careful.  left15   Apr-21-05 09:22 AM   #43 
   Kerry spoke of doing good DEEDS over pious words in the campaign.  blm   Apr-21-05 09:36 AM   #47 
   The media slobbered all over Smirky  politicasista   Apr-21-05 02:29 PM   #113 
   Polls. Swing voters. Out-of-touch advisors.  quiet.american   Apr-21-05 10:10 AM   #60 
   Sounds like Kerry is turning into the next Gore...  Dawgs   Apr-21-05 08:43 AM   #25 
   See my post above...  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 09:38 AM   #48 
   ...except he hasn't grown what i call the "sad beard"  pazarus   Apr-21-05 10:03 AM   #56 
   Sign the petition to Repub Senators  ihaveaquestion   Apr-21-05 09:13 AM   #36 
   It's really too bad..  sendero   Apr-21-05 09:25 AM   #44 
   Look at the 2004 election results threads he did win by a margin too large  dandrhesse   Apr-21-05 11:25 AM   #73 
      EXACTLY.. why do you think WE KNOW... huge swings in paperless areas!..  Griffy   Apr-21-05 01:48 PM   #104 
         also the job approval polls! 43% gee do you think something is amiss?  dandrhesse   Apr-21-05 11:35 PM   #147 
   Just a thought  oneighty   Apr-21-05 09:25 AM   #45 
   I dont really feel threatened...  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 09:53 AM   #52 
   But is a slippery slope  oneighty   Apr-21-05 10:06 AM   #57 
      The slippery slope is a very real problem in the long run.  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 11:17 AM   #70 
   About 34 AD?  GirlinContempt   Apr-21-05 01:49 PM   #105 
      Clone High!  AlmightyTallest   Apr-22-05 01:59 AM   #155 
   Only Repukes have a pipeline to the deity giving them insight to what God  indepat   Apr-21-05 09:50 AM   #51 
   Republicans like to play God  Gregorian   Apr-21-05 10:00 AM   #53 
   Whoo Hoo! Glad to hear it! Go Kerry, Go Kerry, Go Kerry!  TheGoldenRule   Apr-21-05 10:22 AM   #61 
   Prez Kerry rocks!  sabra   Apr-21-05 10:32 AM   #64 
   You tell 'em John - my thoughts exactly!  Mr_Spock   Apr-21-05 10:51 AM   #65 
   He's been getting fucking tough lately, what's going on?  dhinojosa   Apr-21-05 11:03 AM   #67 
   Some would say it's just a show, but I honestly think  BlueIris   Apr-21-05 01:18 PM   #94 
   Gee whiz, is that a woody I see there Johnny?  seeker4ever   Apr-21-05 11:13 AM   #69 
   To all the people wondering where the fire was during the campaign  glitch   Apr-21-05 11:26 AM   #74 
   Thanks :-)  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-21-05 03:50 PM   #116 
      You keep up the great work !  glitch   Apr-21-05 04:10 PM   #118 
   fundies POV  Just a guy_withaVOTE   Apr-21-05 11:27 AM   #75 
   As a Christian myself I can tell you I am disgusted with the way  mahina   Apr-21-05 02:12 PM   #110 
   Oh, really?  CAcyclist   Apr-21-05 05:51 PM   #125 
   The day we begin to uphold the Constitution. MNA May 2 2005  understandinglife   Apr-21-05 11:51 AM   #81 
   GOOD for him...  WHAT   Apr-21-05 12:14 PM   #84 
   Remember... no matter how great Democrat cadidate was during  Rainscents   Apr-21-05 12:24 PM   #85 
   I love kerry (and Gore) but  burythehatchet   Apr-21-05 12:31 PM   #86 
   Excellent!  8_year_nightmare   Apr-21-05 12:56 PM   #88 
   Nice sig! Mind if I steal it?  i miss america   Apr-21-05 01:34 PM   #98 
      I'd be honored...  8_year_nightmare   Apr-21-05 11:57 PM   #149 
   I take back all bad things I've said about Kerry...  hopein08   Apr-21-05 01:04 PM   #90 
   Aw. n/t  BlueIris   Apr-21-05 01:22 PM   #95 
   The MSM is mean  politicasista   Apr-21-05 02:26 PM   #112 
   They'll flame anyway  AlmightyTallest   Apr-22-05 02:05 AM   #156 
   Thank you, Senator K. SANITY PLEASE, GOP.  BlueIris   Apr-21-05 01:14 PM   #91 
   Wonderful! Thank you Senator Kerry  i miss america   Apr-21-05 01:36 PM   #99 
   this is so stupid  JI7   Apr-21-05 02:01 PM   #106 
   Kick 'em in the ass, Senator.  d_b   Apr-21-05 02:02 PM   #107 
   He's absolutely right, and it's about time someone said it.  Arkana   Apr-21-05 02:13 PM   #111 
   Right! Especially since the * family is telling the head of his church  demo dutch   Apr-21-05 02:49 PM   #115 
   Nice!  Zhade   Apr-21-05 04:18 PM   #119 
   Kerry is right-- I hope he repeats this loud and often.  Dr Fate   Apr-21-05 04:48 PM   #122 
   If more Democrats started talking like that, we would be back on the path  Democat   Apr-21-05 06:07 PM   #126 
   you can see the benefits of having Dean as chairman already  SlavesandBulldozers   Apr-21-05 06:15 PM   #128 
   You have to be kidding me  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-21-05 11:42 PM   #148 
      i don't think it's just Dean  SlavesandBulldozers   Apr-22-05 09:30 PM   #170 
   BULLS EYE- straight, blunt, plain talking is all we need.  Dr Fate   Apr-22-05 01:58 AM   #154 
   Radical for Jesus  ynot   Apr-21-05 06:35 PM   #130 
   AMEN!  Rainscents   Apr-21-05 07:59 PM   #143 
   Outstanding  seito   Apr-21-05 07:21 PM   #135 
   I'm sick and tired of that bunch, too! You go Prez Kerry!  AuntiBush   Apr-21-05 07:46 PM   #141 
   Well said, Senator!  Vektor   Apr-21-05 10:02 PM   #145 
   Thank God, President Kerry is still out there fighting...  YvonneCa   Apr-21-05 10:25 PM   #146 
   President Kerry will kick their torts to the curve.....  LatePeriduct   Apr-22-05 06:09 AM   #163 
   who are they to tell us what god wants??  yorkiemommie1   Apr-22-05 12:05 AM   #150 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-05 02:11 AM   #157 
      Welcome to DU, but...  Pinboy   Apr-22-05 02:48 AM   #158 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-05 02:56 AM   #159 
            Yes, good bye!  Swamp Rat   Apr-22-05 03:00 AM   #160 
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   kick  LatePeriduct   Apr-22-05 06:04 PM   #167 
   the politics of annoyance might be a good strategy  Strawman   Apr-22-05 08:29 PM   #168 
   It dawned on me today what may be going on here...  Gman   Apr-22-05 09:17 PM   #169 
 

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