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Clark Bayh 2008 Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #56
61. The senate can change its rules with a majority vote w/ the nuclear option
Thereby Cheney can cut off all debate or make a senator yield the floor for any number of reasons as long as 50 senators move to cut off debate.

Forcing the issue is a mistake on the republicans' part. In 2008 they might well have 60 senators. Since the next SC justice is absolutely crucial we must keep the filibuster in place & let these 10 judges go for a vote.
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  -Cheney says he'd break tie to curtail use of filibusters djmaddox1  Apr-16-05 07:20 AM   #0 
  - dickie didn't have to tell us what he'd do, we know!  0007   Apr-16-05 07:24 AM   #1 
  - Can't we get a Judge  Mr.Green93   Apr-16-05 07:26 AM   #2 
  - Nope. It is just a Senate Rule.  RC   Apr-16-05 07:31 AM   #4 
     - It's actually not clear whether courts have jurisdiction.  TahitiNut   Apr-16-05 07:48 AM   #8 
        - Excellent appraisal.  Toucano   Apr-16-05 07:59 AM   #12 
        - Err that's actually not what would happen  CAMANY   Apr-17-05 08:57 PM   #46 
        - I think TahitiNut is essentially right. Rule XXII explicitly states ...  struggle4progress   Apr-17-05 09:34 PM   #49 
           - Nope you're wrong  CAMANY   Apr-17-05 10:03 PM   #52 
           - The Constitution says the Congressional houses can make their ...  struggle4progress   Apr-17-05 11:00 PM   #53 
           - It's time to let these 10 judges go through & save the filibuster  Clark Bayh 2008   Apr-18-05 09:19 AM   #60 
              - No way. n/t  bearfan454   Apr-18-05 09:32 AM   #65 
           - If they are making the argument the rule is unconstitutional  Debs   Apr-18-05 01:05 PM   #76 
           - Schumer discussed this yesterday on TV  Clark Bayh 2008   Apr-18-05 09:27 AM   #63 
              - This Senate rule itself explicitly says that a 2/3 vote is required ...  struggle4progress   Apr-18-05 06:18 PM   #77 
        - The Constitution give the Senate the power to determine its rules  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-17-05 09:26 PM   #48 
        - The Courts have no jurisdiction, the issue is not "justiciable"  kurtyboy   Apr-17-05 11:31 PM   #54 
  - A pretty good article - points out that the gop has used the filibuster in  djmaddox1   Apr-16-05 07:30 AM   #3 
  - OT but, what would happen if dickie croaked?  leftchick   Apr-16-05 07:35 AM   #5 
  - Hastert? I need to do a search on that one, I've seen it answered on DU  djmaddox1   Apr-16-05 09:13 AM   #16 
  - Hastert. Speaker of the House is next in line.  hedda_foil   Apr-16-05 09:26 AM   #18 
  - Vice President Jeb Bush  SoCalDem   Apr-16-05 11:10 AM   #24 
  - Can't happen...  LiberalFighter   Apr-16-05 12:04 PM   #27 
  - But, but...the laws don't *apply* to the BFEE!!! Remember? n/t  AzDar   Apr-16-05 12:31 PM   #29 
  - And the laws that DO, Repugs plan on changing SOON by electing ALL judges  zann725   Apr-18-05 12:23 AM   #55 
  - What does BFEE mean? I'm having a senior moment here.  Kerrytravelers   Apr-18-05 09:28 AM   #64 
     - bush family empire of evil n/t  bearfan454   Apr-18-05 09:33 AM   #66 
        - Ah yes! Thank you Thank you Thank you!  Kerrytravelers   Apr-18-05 09:37 AM   #68 
  - VP isn't a cabinet position  zipplewrath   Apr-18-05 08:30 AM   #57 
  - I think I just threw up in my mouth, a little. Sooooo plausible. n/t  AzDar   Apr-16-05 12:29 PM   #28 
  - Sounds a lot like the Saddam Hussein and his two sons theme..  FourStarDemocrat   Apr-16-05 08:27 PM   #38 
     - that would be usay  shanti   Apr-16-05 08:36 PM   #40 
        - right, thanks...... n/t  FourStarDemocrat   Apr-16-05 08:39 PM   #41 
  - And of course Hastert would have to resign from the House  LiberalFighter   Apr-16-05 12:01 PM   #26 
  - Have you honestly never read the US constitution?  CAMANY   Apr-17-05 08:58 PM   #47 
     - .  Blue State Native   Apr-18-05 09:12 AM   #59 
     - I second Blue State Native.  Kerrytravelers   Apr-18-05 09:33 AM   #67 
  - assume the "Nuke option" succeeds  radfringe   Apr-16-05 07:39 AM   #6 
  - The fix is in -- no more Democratic majorities  Boomer   Apr-16-05 07:45 AM   #7 
  - You may be right!  mazzarro   Apr-16-05 08:00 AM   #13 
  - Keep something in mind...  quiet_please   Apr-16-05 10:30 AM   #23 
  - EXACTLY!!!!!  shanti   Apr-16-05 08:52 PM   #43 
  - I think you are right!  ClayZ   Apr-17-05 09:57 PM   #51 
  - If the Rs pull the "nuclear option," then, when next out of power ...  struggle4progress   Apr-17-05 09:40 PM   #50 
  - Reid is toast if he cannot hold all the Dems.  paineinthearse   Apr-16-05 07:51 AM   #9 
  - So You've Already Decided To Trash Reid Before Anything Happens  cryingshame   Apr-16-05 10:14 AM   #20 
  - Oh, he'll hold em all right on this one.  Chomskyite   Apr-16-05 02:52 PM   #35 
  - WE may be toast if he can't hold all the Dems. nt  JerseygirlCT   Apr-16-05 08:58 PM   #44 
  - Before the DEMOCRATS started using the filibuster?  JerseygirlCT   Apr-16-05 07:55 AM   #10 
  - What is the history of the filibuster? When did it start? How? Who? Why?  Pachamama   Apr-16-05 01:32 PM   #31 
     - This gives a brief history  JerseygirlCT   Apr-16-05 02:19 PM   #32 
        - "Filibusters were particularly useful to southern senators..."  KansDem   Apr-16-05 02:33 PM   #33 
  - of course Cheney would back the move  DemBeans   Apr-16-05 07:55 AM   #11 
  - te he -maybe someone will lock him in his bunker??  rodeodance   Apr-16-05 08:23 AM   #14 
  - What RW thuggery WOULDN'T Cheney back?  bunkerbuster1   Apr-18-05 08:42 AM   #58 
  - Is this a polite of way saying, "Go fuck yourself"?  Roland99   Apr-16-05 08:35 AM   #15 
  - "Go fuck yourself"  Kerrytravelers   Apr-18-05 12:38 PM   #73 
  - How many votes do they actually need? I'm confused.  Historic NY   Apr-16-05 09:22 AM   #17 
  - According to Senate rule XXII,  struggle4progress   Apr-17-05 07:57 PM   #45 
  - what would be a riot is if they passed it then lost in 2006  still_one   Apr-16-05 09:56 AM   #19 
  - The mere fact it's called the "nuclear option" ought to give people a clue  Straight Shooter   Apr-16-05 10:19 AM   #21 
  - this work needs to burn in some sort of rich man's hell...I hate him.  NVMojo   Apr-16-05 10:30 AM   #22 
  - And when the Democrats retake control of the Senate . . .  Jack Rabbit   Apr-16-05 11:14 AM   #25 
  - Good luck with that, DICK.  BlueIris   Apr-16-05 12:31 PM   #30 
  - They're inching us closer to our briar patch, aren't they?  Chomskyite   Apr-16-05 02:49 PM   #34 
  - I love that analogy! Perfect description of what it looks like Harry Reid  djmaddox1   Apr-16-05 08:02 PM   #37 
  - Funny how non-elected persons love to fuck over democracy!  Rex   Apr-16-05 03:04 PM   #36 
  - Dean, Reid &others must do everything they can to take down Frist in'06  FourStarDemocrat   Apr-16-05 08:34 PM   #39 
  - One Theocratic Oligarchy coming up!  Daphne08   Apr-16-05 08:48 PM   #42 
  - There is a simple countermove to this --> tag team talkathon  rfkrfk   Apr-18-05 07:06 AM   #56 
  - The senate can change its rules with a majority vote w/ the nuclear option  Clark Bayh 2008   Apr-18-05 09:24 AM   #61 
     - Dem Senators must stand and fight, somewhere  rfkrfk   Apr-18-05 09:39 AM   #69 
  - Can't say I'm surprised to hear this one  malmapus   Apr-18-05 09:26 AM   #62 
  - Even if it does bite them in 2006, we'd still have to own the voting  Kerrytravelers   Apr-18-05 09:44 AM   #70 
  - Wow - Do you think they'll actually write the rule change that way  The White Tree   Apr-18-05 10:31 AM   #71 
  - Bwahaha! I love it when repukes eat their own.  bushisanidiot   Apr-18-05 10:38 AM   #72 
  - Shultz is a right wing asshole in liberal drag trying to move the  naderzenithnow   Apr-18-05 12:42 PM   #74 
  - and his point is what  dwickham   Apr-18-05 12:56 PM   #75 

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