|
Andrea Dworkin had a difficult life. Since nobody else will say it,
Andrea, rest in peace.
|
| -Andrea Dworkin Has Died |
Modem Butterfly |
Apr-11-05 12:25 PM |
#0 |
 -
A real loss |
Book Lover |
Apr-11-05 12:27 PM |
#1 |
  -
Watch out it also causes beastiality according to some pubes |
MadisonProgressive |
Apr-12-05 12:07 PM |
#174 |
| -
whew. Glad I only have gay porn. |
sui generis |
Apr-11-05 12:28 PM |
#2 |
| -
You naughty naughty boy you! |
meegbear |
Apr-11-05 12:29 PM |
#5 |
| -
gay porn.....lol |
bullimiami |
Apr-11-05 12:42 PM |
#13 |
| -
"All sex is rape" |
UdoKier |
Apr-11-05 12:28 PM |
#3 |
| -
I'm not a big fan of Dworking |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 12:32 PM |
#8 |
| -
Al Franken's joke |
Jeff in Cincinnati |
Apr-11-05 01:59 PM |
#46 |
| -
OK, maybe she didn't actually say, "all sex is rape"... |
Montauk6 |
Apr-11-05 02:13 PM |
#50 |
| -
Is that Coleman Young in your avatar? N/T |
PassingFair |
Apr-11-05 06:58 PM |
#123 |
| -
Detroit's own! |
Montauk6 |
Apr-11-05 09:33 PM |
#142 |
| -
He was the mayor while I was growing up in Detroit. |
PassingFair |
Apr-11-05 10:59 PM |
#149 |
| -
"Penetrative intercourse is, by its nature, violent." |
neuvocat |
Apr-11-05 04:14 PM |
#88 |
| -
See, here we have to get into definitions of "violent" |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 07:02 PM |
#124 |
| -
Excellent Post. Thanks! |
smirkymonkey |
Apr-11-05 08:41 PM |
#135 |
| -
Then ANY act of intimacy, committed by male or female, is a "violent" act |
Montauk6 |
Apr-11-05 09:56 PM |
#144 |
| -
You are ignoring context |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-12-05 09:21 AM |
#160 |
| -
Then,I can just as well say you're only focusing on ONE context |
Montauk6 |
Apr-12-05 09:56 AM |
#162 |
| -
Dworkin specifically set out her context |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-12-05 11:39 AM |
#168 |
| -
You are the Best! |
FizzFuzz |
Apr-11-05 11:03 PM |
#150 |
| -
Dworkin testified before the Meese commission |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-12-05 11:42 AM |
#169 |
| -
I am so sad. Dworkin was a genuis and a prolific writer. |
jdj |
Apr-14-05 04:14 AM |
#199 |
| -
So what positions does she condone? |
MadisonProgressive |
Apr-12-05 12:09 PM |
#175 |
| -
yes - i didnt like her calling me a rapist. |
RPM |
Apr-11-05 02:57 PM |
#62 |
| -
To Bad she isn't here to enlighten us on |
saigon68 |
Apr-12-05 04:06 AM |
#155 |
| -
Awwww |
warrens |
Apr-11-05 12:29 PM |
#4 |
| -
Boy is she crazy |
sasquatch |
Apr-11-05 12:30 PM |
#6 |
| -
Again, I disagree strongly with some of Dworkins views |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 12:38 PM |
#11 |
| -
You have a point, if much understated. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 12:59 PM |
#21 |
| -
Well stated. |
smirkymonkey |
Apr-11-05 01:25 PM |
#38 |
| -
She lost me totally when she asserted that |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-11-05 12:31 PM |
#7 |
| -
Please see my post above |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 12:33 PM |
#9 |
| -
I'm sorry, but I saw her on a major talk |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-11-05 12:37 PM |
#10 |
| -
Geez, I hate to tell you this, |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 01:06 PM |
#26 |
| -
hmmm, how come "thoughtcrimes.org" doesn't work..eom |
grumpy old fart |
Apr-11-05 12:45 PM |
#14 |
| -
Might be a router problem with your ISP |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 12:49 PM |
#16 |
| -
hmm, that's odd. I have a dsl line and using firefox browser.... |
grumpy old fart |
Apr-11-05 12:57 PM |
#19 |
| -
If there is a problem with |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 01:08 PM |
#27 |
| -
did it, and I get this.... |
grumpy old fart |
Apr-11-05 01:17 PM |
#34 |
| -
It is dying on the first hops |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 02:21 PM |
#51 |
| -
Dworkin never said it. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 12:47 PM |
#15 |
| -
Yes, I note with interest |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 12:50 PM |
#17 |
| -
R.I.P. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 12:54 PM |
#18 |
| -
she wasn't "with" him in the traditional sense, that's for sure |
amazona |
Apr-11-05 02:38 PM |
#55 |
| -
There are many other ways to do sex |
eridani |
Apr-12-05 11:56 PM |
#190 |
| -
Quote |
warrens |
Apr-11-05 01:03 PM |
#23 |
| -
Context |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-11-05 01:16 PM |
#32 |
| -
Here's some Dworkin Quotes: |
mongo |
Apr-11-05 02:03 PM |
#47 |
| -
Back some of that up, please. |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 04:53 PM |
#104 |
| -
Because what she's saying is that |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-11-05 05:21 PM |
#108 |
| -
Where do you get that from anything she has said? |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 05:42 PM |
#116 |
| -
Dworkin was a hatemonger |
warrens |
Apr-11-05 07:35 PM |
#128 |
| -
"anti feminist backlash?" LOL. |
jdj |
Apr-14-05 04:23 AM |
#200 |
| -
Lesbian written pornography ... is an expression of self hatred. - Andrea |
mongo |
Apr-14-05 01:39 PM |
#201 |
| -
Andrea also enjoyed sex, |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 12:58 PM |
#20 |
| -
Sigh. She never said that. |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 03:06 PM |
#64 |
| -
I always that ........... |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Apr-11-05 08:43 PM |
#136 |
| -
So you're judging an author and a law professor |
Senior citizen |
Apr-12-05 03:58 AM |
#154 |
| -
I am a woman |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Apr-12-05 08:01 AM |
#157 |
| -
Why should females make themselves attractive to |
Senior citizen |
Apr-12-05 04:14 PM |
#182 |
| -
I can see that something's badly wrong here |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Apr-12-05 05:46 PM |
#183 |
| -
There is hatred and anger, but not from me |
Senior citizen |
Apr-13-05 01:24 AM |
#192 |
| -
Like I said, |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Apr-13-05 08:20 AM |
#193 |
| -
Now, when all those MEN died last week |
DulceDecorum |
Apr-11-05 12:39 PM |
#12 |
| -
Terri Schaivo was a man?! |
RandomKoolzip |
Apr-11-05 01:03 PM |
#22 |
| -
On the dead scale |
Inland |
Apr-11-05 01:05 PM |
#24 |
| -
Who the hell is George Keenon? |
smirkymonkey |
Apr-11-05 01:30 PM |
#41 |
| -
Wasn't talking about REGRET |
Inland |
Apr-11-05 06:53 PM |
#121 |
| -
I know you weren't, but I was. |
smirkymonkey |
Apr-11-05 08:46 PM |
#137 |
| -
Who the hell are Ranier Grimaldi and |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-11-05 05:23 PM |
#109 |
| -
It would probably help if I spelled the goddamn names right. |
Inland |
Apr-11-05 06:56 PM |
#122 |
| -
RIP, but her views weren't admirable |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 01:05 PM |
#25 |
| -
She ended being a tool for Ed Meese and Park Deitz. |
RandomKoolzip |
Apr-11-05 01:08 PM |
#28 |
| -
Andrea NEVER supported censorship. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 01:13 PM |
#31 |
| -
What? |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 01:21 PM |
#36 |
| -
If you'd like the other side of that argument read |
mongo |
Apr-11-05 02:12 PM |
#49 |
| -
That's a good point |
Modem Butterfly |
Apr-11-05 03:21 PM |
#71 |
| -
Being anti-porn isn't the same thing as supporting censorship |
Eloriel |
Apr-11-05 03:58 PM |
#85 |
| -
Who gets to define what pornography is? |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 04:26 PM |
#91 |
| -
Additionally: Other limitation on free speech are necessary because |
mondo joe |
Apr-11-05 04:49 PM |
#101 |
| -
No, they wouldn't have |
eridani |
Apr-13-05 12:08 AM |
#191 |
| -
You don't really support the First Amendment when you say "but...." |
Democat |
Apr-11-05 07:13 PM |
#126 |
| -
I also support the First Amendment, but.. |
Ms. Toad |
Apr-11-05 08:27 PM |
#134 |
| -
Excellent points, and she also |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-11-05 05:26 PM |
#110 |
| -
It's just mortifying when people turn out to be the same authoritarian |
mondo joe |
Apr-11-05 07:47 PM |
#131 |
| -
Couldn't have said it better myself. n/t |
Psephos |
Apr-11-05 08:12 PM |
#133 |
| -
When it comes to pornography I tend to be a free marketer |
bluestateguy |
Apr-12-05 10:46 AM |
#165 |
| -
Sorry she is dead - Glad she is gone. |
benburch |
Apr-11-05 01:11 PM |
#29 |
| -
Andrea was never a tool of the right. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 01:28 PM |
#40 |
| -
Not just pornography! |
benburch |
Apr-11-05 01:40 PM |
#44 |
| -
While I had significant differences with Ms Dworkin |
tishaLA |
Apr-11-05 01:12 PM |
#30 |
| -
I never cared for the woman and I DID read her books |
Selteri |
Apr-11-05 01:17 PM |
#33 |
| -
I agree... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 01:25 PM |
#39 |
| -
Please don't charactorize S&M videos as "violent" |
mongo |
Apr-11-05 02:41 PM |
#56 |
| -
I understand your point |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 02:46 PM |
#58 |
| -
actually, BDSM is about trust and surrender of control |
BuddhaGirl |
Apr-11-05 10:05 PM |
#146 |
| -
Yeah, that is a better way to put it.... thanks. |
mongo |
Apr-12-05 11:59 AM |
#173 |
| -
I agree fully |
Selteri |
Apr-11-05 10:13 PM |
#147 |
| -
An excellent analysis. |
Fenris |
Apr-11-05 02:55 PM |
#60 |
| -
And she definitely DID call sex |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-11-05 05:29 PM |
#111 |
| -
she got a ridiculous anti-porn ordinance passed in Mpls. |
MnFats |
Apr-11-05 01:21 PM |
#35 |
| -
You're probably right. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 01:38 PM |
#43 |
| -
So how is it "total equality" |
mongo |
Apr-11-05 02:23 PM |
#52 |
| -
No class of people can be fully equal |
Eloriel |
Apr-11-05 04:15 PM |
#89 |
| -
Many people that engage in alternate sexual practices... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 04:30 PM |
#92 |
| -
Yes, Dworkin is incredibly patronizing. |
mondo joe |
Apr-11-05 04:59 PM |
#106 |
| -
Wow, never disagreed w/you before. |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-11-05 06:45 PM |
#119 |
| -
Agreed! My entire pro-choice rationale is based on the |
mondo joe |
Apr-11-05 07:45 PM |
#130 |
| -
I think their is a difference between posing |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-12-05 12:10 PM |
#176 |
| -
Everyone's got their comfort zones |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-12-05 01:37 PM |
#179 |
| -
Well, there I went into a bit of exagerration |
Kelvin Mace |
Apr-12-05 02:38 PM |
#181 |
| -
The only way most people put food on the table is selling their bodies |
mondo joe |
Apr-12-05 05:57 PM |
#186 |
| -
You assume much |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-12-05 06:53 PM |
#188 |
| -
My comments on this thread have been about the US industry... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-13-05 10:08 AM |
#194 |
| -
Free speech is free speech |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Apr-11-05 08:53 PM |
#138 |
| -
I think you nailed it here.... |
mongo |
Apr-12-05 11:49 AM |
#170 |
| -
Good point, and also I think it was Andrea Dworkin who |
smirkymonkey |
Apr-11-05 08:58 PM |
#139 |
| -
You're painting too broad a brush |
BuddhaGirl |
Apr-11-05 10:30 PM |
#148 |
| -
The reality Hartley speaks of is economic coercion. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-12-05 03:50 AM |
#153 |
| -
You are applying gender bias to a gender-neutral problem... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-12-05 11:57 AM |
#172 |
| -
ummmm. 'sarcasm' not necessary. |
MnFats |
Apr-11-05 02:25 PM |
#53 |
| -
You've proven my point... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 02:54 PM |
#59 |
| -
I'll give you this |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 03:18 PM |
#69 |
| -
as i think i pointed out.... |
MnFats |
Apr-11-05 03:25 PM |
#73 |
| -
I was responding to someone else specifically |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 03:33 PM |
#79 |
| -
Ok, things become clearer. |
MnFats |
Apr-11-05 03:41 PM |
#81 |
| -
It's not about "hating porn"! |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 03:37 PM |
#80 |
| -
You are flying by my point at light speed |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 03:48 PM |
#82 |
| -
And you're missing my point as well... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 04:04 PM |
#86 |
| -
She did not enable the right wing to demonize feminism |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 04:24 PM |
#90 |
| -
This took a 2-second Google search |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 04:34 PM |
#93 |
| -
Okay. So where is her argument |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 04:37 PM |
#95 |
| -
Here is a link |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 04:41 PM |
#98 |
| -
Always Causing Legal Unrest... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 04:43 PM |
#99 |
| -
Give me examples of what you deem are reputable |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 04:47 PM |
#100 |
| -
Sorry... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 04:52 PM |
#103 |
| -
Here's another |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 04:57 PM |
#105 |
| -
I have to go... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 05:02 PM |
#107 |
| -
I am busy at work, and no PC at home... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-12-05 11:52 AM |
#171 |
| -
Here is another article debunking the "all sex is rape" myth |
smirkymonkey |
Apr-11-05 09:16 PM |
#140 |
| -
Oops (edit) |
Pithlet |
Apr-12-05 06:25 PM |
#187 |
| -
Exactly what good did she do? |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-11-05 05:33 PM |
#113 |
| -
You really don't know? |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 06:46 PM |
#120 |
| -
porn is already illegal |
mongo |
Apr-12-05 07:12 PM |
#189 |
| -
ok. i surrender. i give. |
MnFats |
Apr-11-05 03:20 PM |
#70 |
| -
I agree with you, MnFats... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 03:31 PM |
#78 |
| -
I don't see what the ordinance has to do with "TOTAL equality" |
mondo joe |
Apr-11-05 03:27 PM |
#75 |
| -
Everyone was equally restricted... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 03:51 PM |
#83 |
| -
And without it wouldn't they still be equally FREE to produce |
mondo joe |
Apr-11-05 04:10 PM |
#87 |
| -
Though I often disagreed with her views... |
redqueen |
Apr-11-05 01:21 PM |
#37 |
| -
She was a uniquely original thinker. |
Zan_of_Texas |
Apr-11-05 01:45 PM |
#45 |
| -
Agreed about Stoltenberg |
alarcoeg |
Apr-11-05 03:10 PM |
#66 |
| -
Bah, this was bad; self-delete. |
LoZoccolo |
Apr-11-05 01:37 PM |
#42 |
| -
RIP |
Chovexani |
Apr-11-05 02:09 PM |
#48 |
| -
i hope she can now find peace |
amazona |
Apr-11-05 02:31 PM |
#54 |
| -
so sad to see so many men still sacred of an intelligent woman |
Nostradamus |
Apr-11-05 02:43 PM |
#57 |
| -
Yeah, to a certain extent I agree with that |
MadHound |
Apr-11-05 02:55 PM |
#61 |
| -
You're right, I'm scared... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 02:58 PM |
#63 |
| -
But she dissed the porn. |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 03:07 PM |
#65 |
| -
we're dissing her... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 03:12 PM |
#67 |
| -
Wuh? |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 03:13 PM |
#68 |
| -
man-hating harpie? |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 03:27 PM |
#74 |
| -
It's called sarcasm |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-05 03:28 PM |
#76 |
| -
Nevermind |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-11-05 03:29 PM |
#77 |
| -
And anti-free speech. eom |
mondo joe |
Apr-11-05 03:22 PM |
#72 |
| -
No, I'm put off by ANYONE with a personal pathology that finds an... |
mitchum |
Apr-11-05 03:57 PM |
#84 |
| -
You're right. |
Voltaire99 |
Apr-11-05 04:40 PM |
#97 |
| -
Yeah. And Hypatia was a slut. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-11-05 04:52 PM |
#102 |
| -
i'm curious -- what would your sexual universe look like? |
xchrom |
Apr-11-05 05:43 PM |
#117 |
| -
My sexual universe would have no rapes, |
Senior citizen |
Apr-12-05 03:31 AM |
#152 |
| -
Nice broad brush you're wielding there |
mitchum |
Apr-11-05 08:08 PM |
#132 |
| -
Grief does not excuse you from making... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-12-05 12:16 PM |
#177 |
| -
...anti-heterosexual |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-11-05 07:27 PM |
#127 |
| -
Bullshit |
warrens |
Apr-11-05 07:37 PM |
#129 |
| -
Dworkin interview by British SF author Michael Moorcock |
slappypan |
Apr-11-05 04:36 PM |
#94 |
| -
Although I opposed her ideas personally and professionally... |
Voltaire99 |
Apr-11-05 04:37 PM |
#96 |
| -
I extend a R.I.P. |
bluestateguy |
Apr-11-05 05:31 PM |
#112 |
| -
No, actually you |
liberalhistorian |
Apr-11-05 05:37 PM |
#114 |
| -
I'm afraid I agree.. |
sendero |
Apr-11-05 05:38 PM |
#115 |
| -
But isn't it like |
bloom |
Apr-11-05 06:42 PM |
#118 |
| -
I have no idea what you are talking about |
bluestateguy |
Apr-11-05 09:22 PM |
#141 |
| -
Ok... |
bloom |
Apr-11-05 09:46 PM |
#143 |
| -
No word on whether she wielded a strap-on, but I take it she |
Hardhead |
Apr-11-05 07:03 PM |
#125 |
| -
As far as I can tell, Dworkin was no more of a crackpot than |
Cats Against Frist |
Apr-11-05 10:03 PM |
#145 |
| -
OK, you win |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Apr-12-05 05:54 PM |
#185 |
| -
Looks like a another thread in which people are debating about sex..... |
nolabels |
Apr-11-05 11:04 PM |
#151 |
| -
I think we are debating politics |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-12-05 09:02 AM |
#159 |
| -
Was pretty much just joking |
nolabels |
Apr-12-05 09:48 AM |
#161 |
| -
LOL. Of course it does... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-12-05 10:02 AM |
#163 |
| -
I am in mourning. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-12-05 04:39 AM |
#156 |
| -
I'm sorry you are mourning... |
youspeakmylanguage |
Apr-12-05 08:25 AM |
#158 |
| -
agree -- sorry about the grief, sorry about her terrible life |
amazona |
Apr-12-05 11:26 AM |
#167 |
| -
Beautifully stated, beautifully thought-out, |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Apr-12-05 12:18 PM |
#178 |
| -
Democracy Now |
bloom |
Apr-12-05 11:17 AM |
#166 |
| -
Andrea Dworkin lacked credentials |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Apr-12-05 05:52 PM |
#184 |
| -
no tears here |
ButterflyBlood |
Apr-12-05 10:09 AM |
#164 |
| -
Violation is a synonym for intercourse. |
RedCloud |
Apr-12-05 02:36 PM |
#180 |
| -
Let us take a few moments... |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Apr-13-05 05:20 PM |
#195 |
| -
Link to reality. |
Senior citizen |
Apr-13-05 11:44 PM |
#196 |
| -
No tears here |
JohnLocke |
Apr-14-05 12:59 AM |
#197 |
| -
I read Dworkin when I was younger. |
frustrated_lefty |
Apr-14-05 02:36 AM |
#198 |
| -
Andrea Dworkin Lie Detector |
JoFerret |
Apr-16-05 09:54 AM |
#202 |
| -
Andrea Dworkin wanted me in jail. |
localroger |
Apr-16-05 12:37 PM |
#203 |
Printer-friendly format
Email this thread to a friend
Bookmark this thread
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore