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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 12:19 AM
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20. The same would apply if he were PVS and she were well.
She would then have priority in these matters, as the spouse. It isn't necessarily patriarchal, although if the genders were reversed I am not sure this would have ever been an issue. My hunch is that a man's wishes (as stated by his wife, and verified by witnesses) for his medical care would never be questioned by the parents or the religious groups in this debate.
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  -Now Terri's family starts squabble over her funeral truthpusher  Mar-27-05 10:57 PM   #0 
  - Terri was already given communion before the feeding tube  Momof1   Mar-27-05 11:02 PM   #1 
  - I hate to say it, but her family is exploiting her.  Windy   Mar-27-05 11:05 PM   #3 
  - The family is exploiting Terri and R. Terry is exploiting the family  Doremus   Mar-27-05 11:16 PM   #10 
  - Too bad  pokercat999   Mar-28-05 03:43 AM   #30 
  - 15 minutes of fame.  Virginian   Mar-28-05 09:53 AM   #37 
  - This stopped being about Terri a long time ago.  Dulcinea   Mar-28-05 01:06 PM   #66 
  - so are the fundamentalists  oncall   Mar-28-05 11:40 PM   #125 
  - She was given communion on Easter Sunday  proud2Blib   Mar-28-05 10:48 AM   #44 
     - about the most assinine thing the news has ever reported.  jdj   Mar-28-05 12:56 PM   #63 
  - In three days, it won't matter  orthogonal   Mar-27-05 11:03 PM   #2 
  - Rock and roll gurneys in Texas in the death chamber  Erika   Mar-27-05 11:20 PM   #11 
     - Or how about when W made fun of the Re-Born Woman  AuntiBush   Mar-28-05 07:38 PM   #115 
  - what I don't understand is why won't this guy let these people have  okieinpain   Mar-27-05 11:05 PM   #4 
  - What are you talking about?  Erika   Mar-27-05 11:09 PM   #6 
  - just speaking for myself. If I was in his shoes and they were wanting  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 12:14 PM   #50 
     - I would not let a loved one of mine waste away like she has  Skittles   Mar-28-05 11:53 PM   #127 
     - Parenthood does not trump her rights or his.  mondo joe   Mar-28-05 11:56 PM   #128 
     - "keep her around as a pet"??!! YOU ACTUALLY CAME OUT &  ima_sinnic   Mar-29-05 10:08 PM   #148 
  - She is his wife  Terre   Mar-27-05 11:15 PM   #9 
  - Agreed  Erika   Mar-27-05 11:22 PM   #12 
  - Now who is being patriarchal?  IndianaGreen   Mar-27-05 11:41 PM   #14 
  - The same would apply if he were PVS and she were well.  daleo   Mar-28-05 12:19 AM   #20 
  - It's the law. If you have a problem with husbands and wives with priority  w4rma   Mar-28-05 12:26 AM   #22 
  - oh, I don't think it has to go that far, to me the bickering is just being  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 12:25 PM   #54 
  - I think you will see a push to review the laws at the State level  IndianaGreen   Mar-28-05 01:11 PM   #68 
     - well I sure agree with these comments by Joe and I haven't been  barb162   Mar-28-05 04:22 PM   #94 
        - I don't recall ever agreeing with Lieberman on anything  IndianaGreen   Mar-28-05 05:24 PM   #108 
           - gotta laugh about your first line.  barb162   Mar-28-05 06:34 PM   #110 
  - Not as remarkable...  chascarrillo   Mar-28-05 12:31 AM   #24 
  - What in the world does patriarchy have to do with it?  Sandpiper   Mar-28-05 12:34 AM   #25 
  - Points  Selteri   Mar-28-05 02:46 AM   #28 
  - You forgot to include the kids if any and if they are of age  LiberalFighter   Mar-28-05 09:03 AM   #35 
     - My bad. I knew I forgot something but couldn't remember what it was. NT  Selteri   Mar-28-05 11:34 PM   #124 
  - Where does it say that it was Terri's wish to be cremated?  LiberalFighter   Mar-28-05 09:00 AM   #34 
  - It would go the other way if she was alive.  Bleachers7   Mar-28-05 12:05 PM   #48 
  - The Younger Bush Criminal Jeb, should decide where she's planted  saigon68   Mar-28-05 12:29 PM   #56 
  - Indiana  gnofg   Mar-28-05 12:48 PM   #62 
  - I'll tell you what takes the cake  Sandpiper   Mar-28-05 02:14 PM   #73 
  - how do you know that he isn't planning on moving back to PA  onenote   Mar-29-05 08:32 AM   #137 
  - Now you are being ridiculous. She is his SPOUSE.  TankLV   Mar-28-05 10:41 PM   #118 
  - why is it remarkable?  onenote   Mar-29-05 08:28 AM   #134 
     - If I were Michael I wouldn't trust the parents  onenote   Mar-29-05 08:41 AM   #138 
  - Imagine all the fundy nuts worshiping at her grave after she dies.  Bleachers7   Mar-28-05 12:06 PM   #49 
  - yes, what ever he saw in her and fell in love with. was do in some  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 12:18 PM   #51 
  - Any lack of compassion is based soley on the fact that they  mondo joe   Mar-29-05 08:27 AM   #133 
  - This is the main and only point. . .  brensgrrl   Mar-28-05 09:34 PM   #117 
  - According to yesterday's NY Times....  sidpleasant   Mar-27-05 11:42 PM   #15 
  - I think Michael Schiavo  GramStin   Mar-28-05 12:01 AM   #19 
  - i agree  chickenscratching   Mar-28-05 03:37 PM   #81 
  - yeah, well he should try and understand where they are coming from  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 12:22 PM   #53 
  - Michael should have stepped out when his new girlfriend had the first baby  ribrepin   Mar-28-05 12:20 AM   #21 
  - This shows me that he obviously still loves her and considers her part of  w4rma   Mar-28-05 12:28 AM   #23 
  - Why not compromise?  toopers   Mar-28-05 10:02 AM   #38 
     - The parents can't do their own memorial for Terri in their own home?  LiberalFighter   Mar-28-05 01:19 PM   #69 
     - From what I've read  tammywammy   Mar-28-05 01:44 PM   #72 
        - I wonder how it works in New Orleans . . .  toopers   Mar-28-05 03:33 PM   #80 
        - I don't quite understand what you mean  tammywammy   Mar-28-05 04:59 PM   #104 
        - This one's a good point. Maybe he is trying to keep her whereabouts  calimary   Mar-28-05 07:29 PM   #114 
  - After what they have said about him and what they have put him through,  tblue37   Mar-28-05 12:52 AM   #26 
  - Schindlers have treated Michael like he is less than human  chaumont58   Mar-28-05 11:00 AM   #45 
  - well hell then he's no better then them. this is the same shit happening  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 12:27 PM   #55 
     - Forgiveness is divine ...  eleanor   Mar-28-05 12:39 PM   #61 
     - yes I can blame him. there is no way that he could or should expect  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 02:39 PM   #77 
        - Did you call Mrs. Schiavo ......  OldLeftieLawyer   Mar-28-05 03:51 PM   #86 
           - oh, he is not a hero. come on now, please some of the posting  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 04:12 PM   #93 
              - I beg your pardon  OldLeftieLawyer   Mar-28-05 04:25 PM   #96 
              - well I feel different about that. to me he's a little off like the rest of  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 04:35 PM   #98 
                 - Then I would say  OldLeftieLawyer   Mar-28-05 04:37 PM   #100 
                 - oh it's not digusting nor horrible. and if you really believe that  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 04:39 PM   #103 
                    - So, who'd you marry?  OldLeftieLawyer   Mar-28-05 05:00 PM   #105 
                    - don't get it. what do you mean.  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 05:01 PM   #106 
                    - There's that "projection" again!  TankLV   Mar-28-05 10:58 PM   #121 
                 - jeez, what a swell husband! that IS horrible!!  ima_sinnic   Mar-29-05 09:53 PM   #146 
              - And you should know! Your's ARE the most like that site!  TankLV   Mar-28-05 10:56 PM   #120 
     - I'm lost, what does this have to do with street gangs?  chaumont58   Mar-28-05 08:59 PM   #116 
     - nope, you're right. but you got to realize that a parent will do just  okieinpain   Mar-29-05 05:56 PM   #144 
        - I am a parent  chaumont58   Mar-29-05 08:50 PM   #145 
        - yeah, some do, some don't. unhealthy probably so, but that's the  okieinpain   Mar-30-05 10:35 AM   #151 
        - it's not surprising that they want to keep an uninhabited husk "alive"?  ima_sinnic   Mar-29-05 09:58 PM   #147 
           - oh, shit. come on man. cut the people some slick. hell if we're going  okieinpain   Mar-30-05 10:36 AM   #152 
     - That is BULLSHIT - and you know it!  TankLV   Mar-28-05 10:51 PM   #119 
     - he might not owe them, but you can damn sure believe that his  okieinpain   Mar-29-05 05:53 PM   #143 
        - It sure is - and the fuckers who wish harm to me better be damn careful  TankLV   Mar-29-05 10:26 PM   #149 
           - many blacks do love the KKK, (blackwell in ohio), and many glbt  okieinpain   Mar-30-05 10:40 AM   #153 
     - because he is the only one fighting for what she wanted-that's why.  oncall   Mar-28-05 11:43 PM   #126 
        - no they are not, they are doing what a lot of parents would do.  okieinpain   Mar-29-05 05:51 PM   #142 
  - You don know nuttin'  zipplewrath   Mar-28-05 12:37 PM   #60 
  - Did you see her wedding pictures? She was heavy then!  IndianaGreen   Mar-28-05 01:07 PM   #67 
  - good point  barb162   Mar-28-05 02:20 PM   #74 
  - She was heavy in high school  OldLeftieLawyer   Mar-28-05 03:53 PM   #88 
  - How about this notion: It could be equally feasible that her ...  ElectroPrincess   Mar-28-05 04:29 PM   #97 
  - from what I've read  thinkingwoman   Mar-28-05 05:26 PM   #109 
  - Who would know a person better? The spouse or the parents?  LiberalFighter   Mar-28-05 01:24 PM   #70 
  - ok, so I take it that you have kids. and now that they are married  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 02:40 PM   #78 
  - Plenty  zipplewrath   Mar-28-05 02:50 PM   #79 
     - oh come now. if your child was sick, and the spouse wants some  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 03:42 PM   #83 
        - Well I ain't going to court  zipplewrath   Mar-28-05 04:11 PM   #92 
           - sorry, I just don't believe that you would walk away from something  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 04:38 PM   #101 
              - You are really something. Someone tells you what they would do,  TankLV   Mar-28-05 11:03 PM   #122 
              - Belief trumps fact?  zipplewrath   Mar-29-05 08:23 AM   #132 
              - Right - just like abusive parents who keep trying to get their kids back  mondo joe   Mar-29-05 09:28 AM   #140 
  - Other people testified that Terri STATED that she did not want  ElectroPrincess   Mar-28-05 04:24 PM   #95 
  - Bulimic, NOT anorexic.  Carolab   Mar-28-05 11:57 PM   #129 
  - He doesn't have to be a complete bastard about it?  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-28-05 04:36 PM   #99 
     - yeah, screw her damn parents, scummy bastards what right do  okieinpain   Mar-28-05 05:13 PM   #107 
        - My sentiments exactly.  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-28-05 07:01 PM   #112 
        - yeah, they are evil, probably use to moleste her. probably still do  okieinpain   Mar-29-05 12:50 AM   #131 
        - Well, glad to see you're finally getting it!  TankLV   Mar-28-05 11:07 PM   #123 
        - Loving their child has nothing to do with trying to CONTROL  mondo joe   Mar-29-05 08:31 AM   #136 
           - man, you guy's can really take things way to far left  okieinpain   Mar-29-05 05:42 PM   #141 
              - This isn't LEFT. It's a matter of autonomy and the right to  mondo joe   Mar-29-05 10:29 PM   #150 
  - Could Be Worse... (POOR TASTE WARNING)  Bark Bark Bark   Mar-27-05 11:06 PM   #5 
  - But DeLay chose death and no one objected  Erika   Mar-27-05 11:12 PM   #7 
  - DeLay is a bum!  IndianaGreen   Mar-27-05 11:42 PM   #16 
  - Terri's Clips of a brain dead woman haunts me  Erika   Mar-27-05 11:25 PM   #13 
     - I see it every day  October   Mar-28-05 10:16 AM   #39 
        - Stories like these just terrify me! I don't understand how anyone  Daphne08   Mar-28-05 10:42 AM   #42 
  - why not just shove a pound of lamb down her throat?  warrens   Mar-27-05 11:13 PM   #8 
  - .  truthpusher   Mar-27-05 11:52 PM   #17 
  - My thread on this got combined too.  norml   Mar-27-05 11:59 PM   #18 
  - Okay, I'm going to clarify this for them.  Selteri   Mar-28-05 02:37 AM   #27 
  - was she a practicing Catholic?  angee_is_mad   Mar-28-05 03:06 AM   #29 
  - my parents were catholic and got cremated...  cap   Mar-28-05 07:41 AM   #33 
  - DeLay and Frist will step in and...  jmcon007   Mar-28-05 04:57 AM   #31 
  - The Schindlers can have a memorial service without the body  noonwitch   Mar-28-05 07:37 AM   #32 
  - That is what was done year before last for my sister.  LiberalFighter   Mar-28-05 09:07 AM   #36 
  - The Schindlers are the embodiment of evil.  Seabiscuit   Mar-28-05 10:17 AM   #40 
  - I dunno, methinks the Schindlers probably got a ton of $$$ shoved in their  DinahMoeHum   Mar-28-05 10:25 AM   #41 
  - i know  chickenscratching   Mar-28-05 03:51 PM   #87 
  - Terri deserved to get better parents than the *ever* self-absorbed ...  ElectroPrincess   Mar-28-05 04:39 PM   #102 
  - Roman Catholics don't believe in cremation  proud2Blib   Mar-28-05 10:47 AM   #43 
  - Cremation  Tippy   Mar-28-05 11:01 AM   #46 
  - I come from a large very traditional Catholic family  proud2Blib   Mar-28-05 11:44 AM   #47 
     - I too, I come from a large very traditional Catholic family  Tippy   Mar-28-05 12:20 PM   #52 
        - I know the church no longer says no to cremation  proud2Blib   Mar-28-05 12:35 PM   #58 
        - Cremation was illegal for Catholics for a long time.  Bridget Burke   Mar-28-05 12:36 PM   #59 
  - The Church is rethinking it's stance on Cremation ...  ElectroPrincess   Mar-28-05 02:26 PM   #75 
  - Very Practical Reason  HockeyMom   Mar-28-05 02:31 PM   #76 
  - They already allow it, just not scattering or dividing of the ashes, BUT  yellowcanine   Mar-28-05 03:47 PM   #84 
  - Then they can object to it for themselves.  mondo joe   Mar-29-05 12:02 AM   #130 
  - What is the catholic stance on fertility treatment?  mondo joe   Mar-29-05 08:29 AM   #135 
  - Is this show ever going to be over anytime soon? Jeez almighty!  anarchy1999   Mar-28-05 12:30 PM   #57 
  - Let me get this straight--  knitter4democracy   Mar-28-05 12:57 PM   #64 
  - If Schindlers were living a 1000 miles away would they demand  LiberalFighter   Mar-28-05 01:32 PM   #71 
  - No  OldLeftieLawyer   Mar-28-05 03:59 PM   #89 
     - I just don't want a fight at that time.  knitter4democracy   Mar-28-05 07:11 PM   #113 
  - No wonder the poor woman suffered from bulimia  Politicub   Mar-28-05 01:02 PM   #65 
  - Cremate her and give half the ashes to the parents and half to Michael.  yellowcanine   Mar-28-05 03:39 PM   #82 
  - I'm betting that * will go to the funeral  1gobluedem   Mar-28-05 03:47 PM   #85 
  - Hell Bush didn't fly to Red Lake, Minnesota, why would he go  B Calm   Mar-28-05 04:07 PM   #90 
  - Get real  OldLeftieLawyer   Mar-28-05 04:08 PM   #91 
  - Too Late  OETKB   Mar-28-05 06:47 PM   #111 
     - Schaivo madness not all bad.  Montanan   Mar-29-05 09:26 AM   #139 

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