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qwghlmian Donating Member (768 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #178
179. Ward Churchill is a professor in a University - in spite of the fact
that he has never gotten a doctorate. The only reason that requirement was waived is because he claimed Native American status. As we see from the statements of the officials of the tribe in which he claims membership (that I quoted above), he is as "Native American" as Bill Clinton is. That is what I call lying and cheating his way into the job.
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  -(Next in Ward Churchill Saga) Prof accused of plagiarism truthpusher  Mar-11-05 03:03 PM   #0 
  - Smells like professor kkkarl his odor on this story.  orpupilofnature57   Mar-11-05 03:07 PM   #1 
  - I could have told them this..............  leftofcool   Mar-11-05 03:13 PM   #2 
  - Gotta link?  struggle4progress   Mar-11-05 08:22 PM   #20 
     - Naw, but read his work and compare it to some other "real"  leftofcool   Mar-13-05 01:17 PM   #95 
        - Ever read his book on COINTELPRO?  struggle4progress   Mar-13-05 03:51 PM   #116 
           - Yes, but I found some things he didn't research very well..........  leftofcool   Mar-14-05 07:36 AM   #152 
              - Specifics?  struggle4progress   Mar-14-05 05:15 PM   #194 
  - They are really gunning for him. Not surprising, he's a very effective  glitch   Mar-11-05 03:16 PM   #3 
  - Right, this is straight out of  Dhalgren   Mar-11-05 03:23 PM   #4 
  - I've been supportive of Churchill for the most part  Viking12   Mar-11-05 03:34 PM   #5 
  - It appears to have already been established. The  VirginiaDem   Mar-11-05 03:54 PM   #6 
     - The wingnut press (such as Rocky Mountain News) has been pushing ...  struggle4progress   Mar-11-05 08:19 PM   #18 
  - So Fay G. Cohen has no right to complain when someone steals her work?  seriousstan   Mar-11-05 03:54 PM   #7 
  - If he really plagiarized her work, she has a complaint. Similarly ...  struggle4progress   Mar-11-05 08:21 PM   #19 
     - "They are really gunning for him" is also an allegation...  seriousstan   Mar-11-05 09:05 PM   #23 
        - You don't think the rightwing has launched a systematic attack ...  struggle4progress   Mar-11-05 09:48 PM   #26 
        - r u kidding me?  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 10:35 PM   #34 
  - He Was On "Real Time"...  jayfish   Mar-11-05 04:04 PM   #9 
  - I saw him also, was really pathetic....might just have been stage fright..  grumpy old fart   Mar-14-05 02:58 PM   #184 
  - I saw him on Bill Maher, and I have to say I was unimpressed  MADem   Mar-14-05 11:36 PM   #196 
  - Thought this thread was about the artwork he plagiarized -  lynne   Mar-11-05 03:59 PM   #8 
  - Well Then We...  jayfish   Mar-11-05 04:45 PM   #10 
  - that turned out to be BULLSHIT, too  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 10:39 PM   #35 
  - HIS INTERPRETATION ?? -  lynne   Mar-12-05 08:21 AM   #46 
     - yeah, his INTERPRETATION  bpilgrim   Mar-12-05 08:25 AM   #47 
        - Thanks so much for the FEW sane voices within this thread  tlcandie   Mar-12-05 08:38 AM   #49 
        - See post #78  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 11:04 AM   #80 
           - pfft... whatever  bpilgrim   Mar-13-05 12:03 PM   #86 
              - Andy Warhol? The biggest bullshitter the "art world" has ever known!!!  MADem   Mar-14-05 11:41 PM   #197 
  - That last line of yours is a classic! Thanks. n/t  Blue to the bone   Mar-13-05 04:14 PM   #121 
  - Rove setup.  2diagnosis   Mar-11-05 05:02 PM   #11 
  - WTF?  bilgewaterbill   Mar-11-05 07:37 PM   #15 
     - because as RUSH said today the more WARD Churchill's there are the BETTER  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 10:53 PM   #36 
     - I KNEW Rove was behind this one too! The man's an animal. n/t  Blue to the bone   Mar-13-05 04:22 PM   #123 
  - Hard to believe an academic would just drop this 1997 case.  daleo   Mar-11-05 05:10 PM   #12 
  - Not hard for me to believe a woman felt threatened by a creepy guy  Psephos   Mar-11-05 07:16 PM   #13 
     - Here's what Rockymountainnews said about it, though:  daleo   Mar-11-05 10:53 PM   #37 
        - Churchill no longer deserves defending  Psephos   Mar-11-05 11:45 PM   #39 
           - I just wonder if anyone would care but for the 911 essay.  daleo   Mar-11-05 11:51 PM   #40 
           - Well said.  yibbehobba   Mar-12-05 07:47 AM   #44 
           - I have to admit  salin   Mar-12-05 08:13 AM   #45 
           - Please take time to google his heritage and those  tlcandie   Mar-12-05 08:45 AM   #50 
           - "Speculation on my part" and the M$MW, of course  bpilgrim   Mar-13-05 01:54 PM   #102 
           - Beautifully written.  Spinoza   Mar-13-05 03:06 PM   #106 
              - Spinoza...  Psephos   Mar-13-05 11:54 PM   #146 
  - Looks like Cohen writes where  igil   Mar-11-05 07:23 PM   #14 
  - Geez I Forgot Everything Ward Ever Said  chlamor   Mar-11-05 07:48 PM   #16 
  - Churchill is coming to get you!  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 07:55 PM   #17 
  - I prefer Winston Churchill. Ward is not an intellectually sound scholar  David Dunham   Mar-11-05 08:31 PM   #21 
     - BURN HIM!  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 09:42 PM   #24 
     - His book on COINTELPRO is very informative about government ...  struggle4progress   Mar-11-05 09:51 PM   #28 
     - And I love him because of that!!!! WILDMAN!!!!  tlcandie   Mar-12-05 08:46 AM   #51 
     - self delete  kohodog   Mar-13-05 09:00 PM   #135 
  - Read the full story--it's an unusual case of plagiarism...  VirginiaDem   Mar-11-05 08:47 PM   #22 
  - i'd love to see some links to the original and his version  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 09:47 PM   #25 
     - Here's a link to the original's biblio info  izzybeans   Mar-11-05 10:02 PM   #30 
     - Introduction, by Ward Churchill  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 10:12 PM   #31 
     - Still can't find an american publisher for this book.  izzybeans   Mar-11-05 10:25 PM   #32 
        - thank you  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 10:34 PM   #33 
        - I can't find it either--lots of references to the Danish version but  VirginiaDem   Mar-12-05 06:44 AM   #43 
  - I'm reserving judgement.  durutti   Mar-11-05 09:49 PM   #27 
  - ditto ;->  bpilgrim   Mar-11-05 09:55 PM   #29 
  - The opinion of Dalhousie's legal counsel is just an opinion:  daleo   Mar-11-05 11:07 PM   #38 
  - Apropos the value of a lawyer's opinion  Mairead   Mar-13-05 11:08 AM   #81 
  - jeez...what next? "Churchill found to cause cancer?"  Blue_Tires   Mar-11-05 11:52 PM   #41 
  - Better yet....  FredScuttle   Mar-12-05 12:56 AM   #42 
  - Churchill is an asshole  Azathoth   Mar-12-05 08:32 AM   #48 
  - amerikkkans can't stand to be told the truth about their country  AngryAmish   Mar-12-05 08:56 AM   #52 
  - kick to combine  Moderator   Mar-13-05 06:16 AM   #53 
  - Prof accused of plagiarism (Churchill)  brainshrub   Mar-13-05 06:16 AM   #54 
  - Just goes to show, they will stop at nothing to get  WannaJumpMyScooter   Mar-13-05 06:16 AM   #55 
  - Did you see his "plagiarized" painting?  Warpy   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #56 
     - You must be kidding  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #57 
     - This isn't about the painting, it's about an essay.  brainshrub   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #58 
     - The post to which I responded  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #60 
        - Thanks for the link.  bilgewaterbill   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #65 
     - Ethics of a Republican  Mich Otter   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #66 
     - Lynching is all this is  confludemocrat   Mar-13-05 05:45 PM   #126 
     - Yes, they are. And sometimes even famous ones screw up.  janx   Mar-14-05 01:19 PM   #164 
  - Under these circumstances  bluestateguy   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #59 
  - I know what makes it easy to believe those charges -  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #61 
  - I disagree with much of what he said  bluestateguy   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #63 
  - He's one of the few people who are saying  brainshrub   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #64 
  - It appears that some charges of plagerism date far before  salin   Mar-13-05 09:05 AM   #74 
  - Unfortunately, because of the way he handled the subject...  Wilms   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #62 
  - He's also been accused of academic fraud  creeksneakers2   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #67 
  - Jesus. This is NOT a big deal. I can't believe a web site where people  AP   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #68 
  - Right, AP. An awful lot of assumptions are being made in  janx   Mar-14-05 12:56 PM   #162 
  - Hey, everybody. You can't "plagiarize" a painting.  Hissyspit   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #69 
  - Agreed! Academica right-wing wants to  AuntiBush   Mar-13-05 10:48 AM   #76 
  - See post #78  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 11:01 AM   #79 
     - Keep on distorting...  not systems   Mar-13-05 12:41 PM   #90 
  - They tried to do the same thing to MLK.  sfexpat2000   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #70 
  - This is just an opinion of one university's legal counsel  daleo   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #71 
  - They really are digging deep, aren't they  Vladimir   Mar-13-05 06:17 AM   #72 
     - Yes, the painting was copied, do you doubt it?  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 10:28 AM   #75 
        - He modified it quite a bit  Vladimir   Mar-13-05 10:53 AM   #77 
        - You really know nothing about  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 10:59 AM   #78 
           - He said he had permission... also the original is a illustration...  not systems   Mar-13-05 11:42 AM   #82 
           - Churchill never once claimed he had permission  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 11:50 AM   #83 
              - Or maybe he did...  not systems   Mar-13-05 12:33 PM   #87 
              - Let's see -  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 01:20 PM   #96 
                 - Prove it...a verbal conversation is enough...  not systems   Mar-13-05 01:38 PM   #98 
                    - I hate liars and cheaters  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 01:48 PM   #101 
                    - I hate people who are judge jury and executioner...  not systems   Mar-13-05 02:13 PM   #103 
                    - I saw, with my own eyes,  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 02:16 PM   #104 
                       - A clairvoyant!! Perhaps you should start a 900 number ...  not systems   Mar-13-05 02:48 PM   #105 
                          - Defending Churchill?  rayofreason   Mar-13-05 04:11 PM   #120 
                             - I saw Russell Means explain why Ward is an Indian leader...  not systems   Mar-13-05 04:19 PM   #122 
                    - On the art thing  confludemocrat   Mar-13-05 03:13 PM   #107 
                       - Mails apparently had no idea  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 03:17 PM   #109 
                          - The all seeing psychic strikes again.  not systems   Mar-13-05 03:26 PM   #111 
                             - You seem to have psychic powers yourself -  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 03:30 PM   #112 
                                - Ward said that he did...that is one iota more than you have buddy. n/t  not systems   Mar-13-05 03:31 PM   #113 
                                   - And of course Ward is such a reliable source  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 03:34 PM   #114 
                                      - More reliable than you who has been PROVEN wrong on a point of fact...  not systems   Mar-13-05 03:43 PM   #115 
                                         - I told you why I am hostile toward Ward -  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 04:05 PM   #118 
                                         - Yawn.  not systems   Mar-13-05 04:11 PM   #119 
                                         - You know him personally? n/t  janx   Mar-14-05 01:41 PM   #169 
                                         - No only through his...  not systems   Mar-14-05 02:13 PM   #177 
                                         - Oh, sorry--I meant that question for qwghlmian, but I hit  janx   Mar-14-05 02:57 PM   #183 
                    - If a verbal conversation that is denied by one party is enough  VirginiaDem   Mar-13-05 06:39 PM   #128 
                       - First one party has passed on so is not denying anything...  not systems   Mar-13-05 07:14 PM   #130 
                          - It seems to me they're bringing the case as we speak and  VirginiaDem   Mar-13-05 10:03 PM   #140 
                             - A better analogy would be "fishing expedition"  Tansy_Gold   Mar-14-05 02:54 PM   #181 
              - Owned! n/t  not systems   Mar-13-05 01:14 PM   #94 
           - So sue every art student who made  Vladimir   Mar-13-05 11:56 AM   #84 
              - You continue proving that you know nothing  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 12:00 PM   #85 
                 - Keep on distorting it suits you. n/t  not systems   Mar-13-05 12:34 PM   #88 
                 - Copyright is different for things like paintings  TexasBushwhacker   Mar-13-05 12:55 PM   #91 
                    - Wrong.  qwghlmian   Mar-13-05 01:22 PM   #97 
                       - In support  Tansy_Gold   Mar-13-05 04:05 PM   #117 
                          - An information-rich post...  Psephos   Mar-14-05 12:15 AM   #147 
        - If you think that constitutes plagiarism,  janx   Mar-14-05 11:23 AM   #157 
           - Learning by copying is one thing - it is legal  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 12:42 PM   #160 
              - You're making a lot of assumptions. n/t  janx   Mar-14-05 12:54 PM   #161 
                 - I am not making assumptions. I am stating facts.  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 01:16 PM   #163 
                    - Nope, they aren't.  janx   Mar-14-05 01:35 PM   #167 
                       - janx - read some posts on this thread, and read the  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 01:42 PM   #170 
                          - There is a heck of a lot more to copyright law  janx   Mar-14-05 01:46 PM   #172 
                             - read -  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 01:56 PM   #174 
  - Amazing absolutely amazing! How the starless trolls all show  0007   Mar-13-05 07:08 AM   #73 
  - Yea, it is pretty noticeable n/t  NNN0LHI   Mar-13-05 12:37 PM   #89 
  - not worth defending  wmills551   Mar-13-05 01:11 PM   #92 
     - Um... yea ... whatever. n/t  not systems   Mar-13-05 01:13 PM   #93 
     - Good point  Spinoza   Mar-13-05 03:13 PM   #108 
     - Guckert is a prostitute. Churchill is an academic and a damned  janx   Mar-14-05 03:19 PM   #188 
  - Accused does not mean convicted - we're still in America right?  glitch   Mar-13-05 01:38 PM   #99 
  - Thanks to our wonderful first lady Ms. Pickles it is now called Merca  NNN0LHI   Mar-13-05 01:43 PM   #100 
  - Jesus fucking Christ. Like flies to honey!! n/t  Tinoire   Mar-13-05 03:23 PM   #110 
  - YEP. n/t  janx   Mar-14-05 11:27 AM   #158 
  - Both the Dalhousie prof and the artist Mail's family have recourse to law  daleo   Mar-13-05 05:26 PM   #124 
  - "copyright"  Tansy_Gold   Mar-13-05 05:31 PM   #125 
     - Point taken, I shouldn't rely on spell check so much.  daleo   Mar-13-05 05:52 PM   #127 
        - Based on what I've seen and based on my experience,  Tansy_Gold   Mar-13-05 07:24 PM   #132 
           - his interpretation of the original was UNIQUE and he wrote the INTRO for  bpilgrim   Mar-13-05 08:51 PM   #134 
           - Thanks for the obviously well thought out answer  daleo   Mar-13-05 10:02 PM   #139 
              - "claims might become never ending" - ding-ding-ding  bpilgrim   Mar-13-05 10:06 PM   #141 
  - Truly pathetic the lengths that people are going to  VirginiaDem   Mar-13-05 06:51 PM   #129 
  - Can you point out the sub-thread?  not systems   Mar-13-05 07:20 PM   #131 
  - spread the Rouvin myth to discredit the messenger but not the MSG  bpilgrim   Mar-13-05 07:47 PM   #133 
     - It wasn't an "interpretation." it was a copy  Tansy_Gold   Mar-13-05 09:22 PM   #136 
        - Get the torch ma it's a witch.  not systems   Mar-13-05 09:35 PM   #137 
        - Mails didn't have to know anything.  Tansy_Gold   Mar-13-05 11:36 PM   #145 
           - It is also quite possible that he did know and...  not systems   Mar-14-05 01:33 AM   #150 
              - rebuttal  Tansy_Gold   Mar-14-05 10:22 AM   #155 
                 - I agree with some of what you say but...  not systems   Mar-14-05 11:12 AM   #156 
                    - what makes you think I'm "happy" about Ward Churchill's  Tansy_Gold   Mar-14-05 03:45 PM   #192 
                       - alleged  not systems   Mar-14-05 04:04 PM   #193 
        - he didn't only just 'change the color' he changed the PERSPECTIVE as well  bpilgrim   Mar-13-05 09:37 PM   #138 
           - No, he didn't change "the perspective."  Tansy_Gold   Mar-13-05 10:15 PM   #142 
              - Well then tack that scalp up on your wall. n/t  not systems   Mar-13-05 10:26 PM   #143 
              - 180  bpilgrim   Mar-13-05 10:57 PM   #144 
                 - If you think a 180-degree flip is a change of "perspective"  Tansy_Gold   Mar-14-05 12:22 AM   #148 
                    - Remember Jeff Koons?  The Sad Little Pony   Mar-14-05 01:31 AM   #149 
                    - Thank you, Pony!  Tansy_Gold   Mar-14-05 09:12 AM   #154 
                    - "It wasn't an "interpretation." it was a copy" - oh' really...  bpilgrim   Mar-14-05 06:09 AM   #151 
  - The "fake Indian" thing is disgusting  confludemocrat   Mar-14-05 08:19 AM   #153 
  - There's nothing like a good old-fashioned lynching to get  janx   Mar-14-05 01:26 PM   #165 
  - The thing is, it is not an "extremist hack" who says  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 01:33 PM   #166 
     - You obviously didn't read confludemocrat's post very well.  janx   Mar-14-05 01:39 PM   #168 
        - Churchill has never been up front about almost anything -  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 01:45 PM   #171 
           - I don't agree with much of what Churchill has to say.  janx   Mar-14-05 01:53 PM   #173 
           - Is Churchill the worst liar & cheat around? Or only the most "leftist"?  Bridget Burke   Mar-14-05 01:57 PM   #175 
              - Certainly not -  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 02:01 PM   #176 
                 - I've seen no evidence that Churchill lied & cheated his way into a job...  Bridget Burke   Mar-14-05 02:27 PM   #178 
                    - Ward Churchill is a professor in a University - in spite of the fact  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 02:35 PM   #179 
                       - Where's the link for the whole story?  Bridget Burke   Mar-14-05 02:47 PM   #180 
                       - Here is a link  qwghlmian   Mar-14-05 02:56 PM   #182 
                       - Some tribes ARE racist in their application of membership  semillama   Mar-14-05 03:20 PM   #190 
                       - Right--  janx   Mar-14-05 03:02 PM   #187 
                          - The link pointed out what you did: He's a good teacher.  Bridget Burke   Mar-14-05 03:20 PM   #189 
                             - Many.  janx   Mar-14-05 03:44 PM   #191 
                       - enough  not systems   Mar-14-05 03:00 PM   #186 
                       - Professors don't always have doctorates.  daleo   Mar-14-05 11:31 PM   #195 
  - Bottom Line  Massachusetts   Mar-14-05 11:41 AM   #159 
     - But thought provocation is what 'they' don't want. eom  truthpusher   Mar-14-05 02:58 PM   #185 
 

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