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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #384
393. She's not there
Consciousness resides in the brain. The cerebral cortex. That which isn't there.

Why is it so hard for people to accept facts and reality?

The fear of death is a powerful, powerful thing.
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  -Judge Orders Florida Woman's Feeding Tube Removed johnnie  Feb-25-05 02:30 PM   #0 
  - Any Bets On How Long...  jayfish   Feb-25-05 02:31 PM   #1 
  - I bet you 500 neopoints from neopets.com  dorktv   Feb-25-05 02:35 PM   #5 
  - This judge won't issue any more stays. I posted a link to the  janx   Feb-25-05 02:53 PM   #29 
  - I'm sure this is heartbreaking to her parents...  vi5   Feb-25-05 02:33 PM   #2 
  - If it were my daughter,  JDPriestly   Feb-25-05 02:37 PM   #6 
  - I Believe Her Husband,...  jayfish   Feb-25-05 02:42 PM   #10 
  - He never mentioned during the Malpractice Trial  Zuni   Feb-25-05 02:53 PM   #30 
     - I agree. Something stinks about this case...  woodsprite   Feb-25-05 03:16 PM   #60 
     - He apparently spent $400,000 on his laywer, george Felos  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:32 PM   #83 
        - Actually, she died 15 years ago today  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:26 PM   #124 
           - If she is dead, then Michael can not be married to her.  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:29 PM   #201 
              - Oh, honey,  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 07:46 PM   #259 
              - LOL ....good one  moobu2   Feb-25-05 08:26 PM   #289 
              - Right back at ya...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 06:46 PM   #406 
                 - I don't believe she is dead.  lizzy   Feb-26-05 06:52 PM   #409 
                    - Your belief doesn't supercede 5+ years of medical testimony....  Liberal Veteran   Feb-26-05 07:12 PM   #415 
                       - I see you love cats. Did you know that Michael had  lizzy   Feb-27-05 04:05 PM   #437 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 04:22 PM   #119 
     - Nope.  janx   Feb-25-05 04:45 PM   #144 
        - Well, that's even better. He declared it 8 years later?  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:24 PM   #196 
        - It sounds to me like  Dookus   Feb-25-05 06:36 PM   #213 
           - Yep. n/t  janx   Feb-25-05 06:38 PM   #215 
           - money awarded/DNR put in chart within the year  Lenore   Feb-25-05 08:16 PM   #283 
              - Do you have any idea--look at the timeline again--how much  janx   Feb-25-05 08:45 PM   #292 
                 - time-lines are interesting things...  Lenore   Feb-25-05 10:32 PM   #309 
                    - I am interested in facts, not innuendo and gossip.  janx   Feb-25-05 10:49 PM   #316 
                    - You live alone  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 11:50 PM   #329 
        - Don't forget the scans they did of her body that showed....  mordarlar   Feb-25-05 07:35 PM   #253 
           - There you go! Confusing people with facts! n/t  Lenore   Feb-25-05 08:17 PM   #284 
           - IShe was anorexic; that would explain the broken or  Lindacooks   Feb-25-05 09:04 PM   #295 
           - Give me a break! She weighed almost 120lbs and stood at 5'3  Lenore   Feb-25-05 10:37 PM   #311 
              - A court did rule on it;that's how he received the settlements.  Lars39   Feb-25-05 10:51 PM   #318 
              - No, give ME a break.  Lindacooks   Feb-25-05 11:33 PM   #327 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 11:51 PM   #330 
                 - Is it necessary to insult someones intelligance...  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 12:51 AM   #335 
                    - There are no questions about what happened  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 08:06 AM   #349 
                       - I don't understand how/why a DCF attorney showed up at the  janx   Feb-26-05 09:27 AM   #353 
                       - I think because it's the law  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 11:28 AM   #356 
                       - "intelligance" was a typing error. Not an intellectual one. Very mature  mordarlar   Feb-27-05 04:12 AM   #432 
           - No one has PROVED that he harmed her in the past, what, 15 YEARS?  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 06:49 PM   #407 
              - I disagree people HAVE offered proof that he MAY HAVE harmed her  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 06:54 PM   #410 
                 - The abuse claims HAVE been investigated  SW FL Dem   Feb-26-05 07:08 PM   #414 
                 - The following post from me was directed to you....  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 07:24 PM   #417 
                 - Could you provide a link to support this? I have seen no evidence of it.  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 07:20 PM   #416 
                 - The cause of cardiac arrest was electrolyte imbalance  Lars39   Feb-26-05 07:47 PM   #421 
                    - Two agencies did investigate. Below is a response from both.  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 10:19 PM   #429 
                 - No one has offered proof...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-27-05 06:33 PM   #441 
     - This argument is getting tiresome. That issue was irrelevant in the  SW FL Dem   Feb-25-05 08:22 PM   #287 
  - This may be cold, but I don't think the parents get a say....  vi5   Feb-25-05 02:45 PM   #11 
  - I would much rather my  Justyce   Feb-25-05 02:51 PM   #25 
  - Why This Isn't So Simple  The_Counsel   Feb-25-05 02:49 PM   #12 
  - There is no plug---she is not on life support  Zuni   Feb-25-05 02:55 PM   #31 
  - It's not appalling if those were her wishes....  vi5   Feb-25-05 02:59 PM   #37 
  - He says she told him she wants to die when they were watching TV  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:03 PM   #41 
     - Again...that is between him and her.....  vi5   Feb-25-05 03:09 PM   #50 
     - interestingly  SemperEadem   Feb-26-05 05:46 PM   #394 
     - He was not the only person to testify to that.  Lars39   Feb-25-05 05:39 PM   #173 
     - The only other people who testified to her wishes ( to be removed) were...  mordarlar   Feb-25-05 07:38 PM   #256 
        - Not so.  Lars39   Feb-25-05 07:57 PM   #269 
           - Get the facts straight. A 'life' is in the balance  Lenore   Feb-25-05 09:06 PM   #297 
           - Oh, no tighter than the parents who wanted half his money.  Lars39   Feb-25-05 09:47 PM   #303 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 10:49 PM   #315 
                 - That was a reckless post.  janx   Feb-25-05 11:01 PM   #321 
                 - Yes, the money is gone. Probably even Terri's settlement.  Lars39   Feb-25-05 11:07 PM   #323 
                 - Her parents offered to allow Michael to KEEP any remaining money...  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 12:55 AM   #337 
                 - Terri had money settled on her for her care.  Lars39   Feb-26-05 01:05 AM   #338 
                    - There are reasons to be suspicious of Michael. If she had died that night.  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 01:11 AM   #340 
                       - God forbid...  AZCat   Feb-26-05 08:16 AM   #351 
                       - There's PROOF of potential GUILT now the burden falls to clear this...  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 06:08 PM   #397 
                       - Uh, it cannot be assumed...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 06:07 PM   #396 
                          - At what point does one become subject to a criminal trial?  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 06:13 PM   #398 
                             - You said that his innocence cannot be assumed...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 06:28 PM   #403 
                             - I explained the phrase. Innocent until PROVEN guilty...  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 06:43 PM   #405 
                             - And, in 15 YEARS, no one has offered enough proof...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 07:01 PM   #412 
                 - I don't think so. Some of the money was awarded on her care.  lizzy   Feb-27-05 08:03 PM   #443 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 11:54 PM   #331 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-05 01:17 AM   #341 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-05 08:07 AM   #350 
           - Can you please provide a link?  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 12:53 AM   #336 
     - Yep. He didn't remember it when during trial he said  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:30 PM   #205 
        - and he did become a nurse  Dookus   Feb-25-05 09:10 PM   #299 
           - He had said he will take care of her for the rest of his life.  lizzy   Feb-27-05 08:16 PM   #445 
  - quality of life matters  peacebird   Feb-25-05 04:07 PM   #110 
  - Terri feels pain whereas true "vegetables" don't n/t  Lenore   Feb-25-05 09:14 PM   #300 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 11:56 PM   #332 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-05 12:00 PM   #359 
  - I Know That...  The_Counsel   Feb-25-05 04:17 PM   #115 
  - Why don't people have an executed Health Care Power Of Attorney?  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:31 PM   #127 
  - I Agree Wholeheartedly.  The_Counsel   Feb-25-05 04:53 PM   #151 
  - life support  pop goes the weasel   Feb-25-05 06:43 PM   #220 
  - I think it is appalling  FlaGranny   Feb-26-05 09:41 AM   #355 
  - I think there is a certain level of default to this stuff......  vi5   Feb-25-05 02:57 PM   #35 
  - Guess what? There's no money  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:29 PM   #126 
     - Guess What? There WAS Money...  The_Counsel   Feb-25-05 04:43 PM   #141 
     - "was" ain't "is"  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:55 PM   #152 
     - Michael was not the only one testifying that she said  Lars39   Feb-25-05 05:22 PM   #162 
     - She's been in the nursing home for what? 15 years?  cornermouse   Feb-25-05 06:22 PM   #192 
        - So what? Now it's about money? We don't want to spend money  lizzy   Feb-26-05 02:10 PM   #365 
     - The Florida Taxpayers are paying for her care  SW FL Dem   Feb-25-05 08:34 PM   #290 
  - if she were my daughter, I'd want her to be mercifully allowed to die  puddycat   Feb-26-05 07:28 PM   #418 
  - My wife have a further agreement  Walt Starr   Feb-25-05 02:41 PM   #9 
  - But Terri is not on life support  Zuni   Feb-25-05 02:56 PM   #33 
  - A feeding tube IS life support  Walt Starr   Feb-25-05 03:41 PM   #91 
  - What kind of quality of life does this woman have?  Old and In the Way   Feb-25-05 03:50 PM   #100 
  - She wouldn't have to be bed ridden if her husband left her alone.  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:05 PM   #184 
     - Really?  Dookus   Feb-25-05 06:45 PM   #223 
        - It's almost too funny.....  Old and In the Way   Feb-25-05 07:09 PM   #241 
        - No, I don't believe she would be up and walking about.  lizzy   Feb-25-05 08:04 PM   #275 
           - You could put her in an airplane or take her for a boat ride, too.  Old and In the Way   Feb-25-05 11:31 PM   #326 
  - Doesn't the irony just slay you?  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:32 PM   #128 
  - Starved?  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:34 PM   #132 
     - The feeding tube is no different than a respirator?  lizzy   Feb-25-05 05:59 PM   #180 
        - And that's why it's called  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 06:01 PM   #181 
        - It's still life support.  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 06:18 PM   # 
           - Then isn't someone bringing an immobile patient food also?  Nikia   Feb-26-05 02:07 PM   #364 
              - In some ways it is, but probably not legally.  Liberal Veteran   Feb-26-05 08:18 PM   #424 
  - Both of you need to put it in writing. Even the hospital  leftynyc   Feb-25-05 03:15 PM   #58 
     - My wife is an attorney  Walt Starr   Feb-25-05 03:45 PM   #94 
     - Did you also know  Horse with no Name   Feb-25-05 03:47 PM   #97 
     - Living Will AND Power of Attorney  HockeyMom   Feb-25-05 05:13 PM   #157 
     - Do hospital forms mean anything?  Nikia   Feb-26-05 02:12 PM   #366 
  - You admit their are extenuating circumstances, yet dismiss  shawcomm   Feb-25-05 03:02 PM   #40 
  - damn right  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:12 PM   #52 
  - Try both, and then get back to us.  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:36 PM   #134 
     - I have been reading about this for awhile now, and  Castilleja   Feb-26-05 12:27 AM   #334 
  - He's married. Not "married".  Pithlet   Feb-25-05 03:26 PM   #74 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 03:54 PM   #104 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 04:03 PM   #109 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 04:24 PM   #121 
        - The problem seems to be  Dookus   Feb-25-05 05:40 PM   #174 
           - If only...  AZCat   Feb-25-05 05:41 PM   #176 
           - Ya think?  janx   Feb-25-05 06:23 PM   #195 
     - Untrue  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:33 PM   #130 
  - Amen.  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:25 PM   #123 
  - trust the spouse more, eh??  Lenore   Feb-25-05 06:49 PM   #228 
     - I read all those same exact points  Dookus   Feb-25-05 07:01 PM   #235 
     - why was she given a bone scan in 1991?  Lenore   Feb-25-05 07:53 PM   #265 
        - Did you read the timeline?  Dookus   Feb-25-05 08:10 PM   #278 
           - She got the bone scan because she was HURTING and SAYING so n/t  Lenore   Feb-25-05 10:53 PM   #319 
              - Not exactly  Dookus   Feb-25-05 11:02 PM   #322 
     - The amount of speculation and gossip in your post leads  janx   Feb-25-05 10:44 PM   #313 
     - Boy, if I had bothered to read your screed past line two,  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 12:00 AM   #333 
     - Where does a child stop being the property of a parent?  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 06:40 PM   #404 
  - Then again  johnnie   Feb-25-05 02:34 PM   #3 
  - just a change in headline - same Court order - tube out 3/18 n/t  papau   Feb-25-05 02:40 PM   #8 
     - Oh..OK Thanks. n/t  johnnie   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #13 
  - Remove it NEXT MONTH..............  ClintonTyree   Feb-25-05 02:35 PM   #4 
  - It is a circus, but it's an important case because of the possible  janx   Feb-25-05 03:16 PM   #61 
     - No, actually, it has no significance  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:40 PM   #137 
        - But what if the wingnuts had gotten their way?  janx   Feb-25-05 05:18 PM   #159 
           - I don't deal in hypotheticals.  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 05:34 PM   #169 
              - That's not rude. I understand.  janx   Feb-25-05 05:40 PM   #175 
  - My heart goes out to all parties involved in this  oddmanout   Feb-25-05 02:39 PM   #7 
  - three week stay in life support case (terry schiavo)  themartyred   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #14 
  - it's disgusting  Dookus   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #16 
  - i don't want to kill her  Dookus   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #22 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 04:19 PM   #118 
        - The court has addressed Terri's condition multiple times  AZCat   Feb-25-05 04:23 PM   #120 
        - I can only trust the court in this.  Bleachers7   Feb-25-05 04:47 PM   #148 
        - It only  Dookus   Feb-25-05 05:31 PM   #167 
  - What if there was abuse?  conseco   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #18 
     - I don't think it really works that way  Oreo   Feb-25-05 02:55 PM   #32 
     - He pretty much is already married to another woman and has kids w/ her  Zuni   Feb-25-05 02:57 PM   #36 
     - I didn't know that  Oreo   Feb-25-05 03:05 PM   #45 
        - Yep. 2 kids.  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:06 PM   #47 
           - And that matters how?  Pithlet   Feb-25-05 03:34 PM   #87 
           - Too many people...  AZCat   Feb-25-05 03:38 PM   #89 
           - exactly true - I would hope my husband would be happy  peacebird   Feb-25-05 04:10 PM   #113 
           - How does that matter? Are you serious?  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:18 PM   #190 
           - 15 years  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:42 PM   #140 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 04:33 PM   #129 
     - What a beautiful "Catch-22" you've constructed  AZCat   Feb-25-05 04:35 PM   #133 
     - The other woman wants a Catholic wedding  Nikia   Feb-26-05 02:14 PM   #367 
        - Citation please...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 06:57 PM   #411 
     - Allegations of abuse were dismissed by the courts a long  janx   Feb-25-05 03:47 PM   #98 
        - Not because it didn't happen, but because it can not be proven.  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:27 PM   #198 
           - Well maybe she had an overdose...  AZCat   Feb-25-05 06:29 PM   #202 
           - LOL  Dookus   Feb-25-05 06:38 PM   #214 
           - Some things...  AZCat   Feb-25-05 06:43 PM   #219 
              - I've been laughing for ten minutes!!! n/t  janx   Feb-25-05 06:59 PM   #233 
           - I would like to see you writing not in your native language-  lizzy   Feb-25-05 07:55 PM   #268 
           - Sorry  AZCat   Feb-25-05 07:59 PM   #270 
           - Terribly sorry. Since I learned English as an adult, I use a wrong  lizzy   Feb-25-05 08:09 PM   #277 
           - How do you know her dad wasn't beating the shyte out of her?  Lars39   Feb-25-05 06:47 PM   #226 
           - What kind of "fractions"?  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 07:04 PM   #237 
  - I also think its good  Corgigal   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #17 
  - They've dont that repeatedly.  moobu2   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #23 
     - from that article  Corgigal   Feb-25-05 02:52 PM   #26 
     - You are incorrect--she was bulimic, and her father, if  pacoyogi   Feb-25-05 03:14 PM   #56 
     - Im not incorrect  Corgigal   Feb-25-05 03:24 PM   #73 
     - There's always a basis for eating disorders,  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:44 PM   #143 
     - Her father can't know for sure if she had bulimia. Nobody knows  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:20 PM   #191 
     - And, who would be in a better position to know? Her husband or her father  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 07:58 PM   #422 
     - The cause of cardiac arrest was electrolyte imbalance  Lars39   Feb-26-05 08:04 PM   #423 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 04:41 PM   #139 
        - Here:  janx   Feb-25-05 04:57 PM   #153 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 05:15 PM   # 
        - APFN?  AZCat   Feb-25-05 05:35 PM   #170 
        - Why do you presume Michael did that?  Lars39   Feb-25-05 05:29 PM   #166 
  - Revolting! This republican judge and Jeb Bush should be prosecuted.  moobu2   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #19 
  - This isn't a stay. It's a court order. You can read it here:  janx   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #20 
  - I am happy they aren't murdering her  Zuni   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #21 
  - why don't you do a little homework and read  ldf   Feb-25-05 04:03 PM   #108 
  - Actually, removing nutrition is not a barbaric way to die.  phylny   Feb-25-05 05:08 PM   #155 
  - In light of all the lies being spread by right to life liars, read this  moobu2   Feb-25-05 02:56 PM   #34 
  - No flame, but with little to no cerebral cortex,  phylny   Feb-25-05 03:55 PM   #105 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 02:50 PM   #24 
  - It was not a stay. It was a court order. You can read it here:  janx   Feb-25-05 02:52 PM   #27 
     - Thank you for all the information....CNN said it was a stay.  moobu2   Feb-25-05 03:02 PM   #39 
        - A stay is a court order  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 07:53 PM   #264 
           - Oy! I did not know that, and thanks for the information.  janx   Feb-25-05 08:25 PM   #288 
  - How revolting of the judges  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 02:53 PM   #28 
  - What is radical about preventing an invalid from being starved?  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:00 PM   #38 
  - a feeding tube IS life support  Dookus   Feb-25-05 03:05 PM   #46 
  - If she was in a coma and on life support  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:08 PM   #49 
  - I wish the law  Dookus   Feb-25-05 03:12 PM   #53 
     - I do not believe that  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:13 PM   #55 
        - They wouldn't be allowed to be present. n/t  woodsprite   Feb-25-05 03:24 PM   #72 
        - A morphine drip would take care of that concern and hasten the end.  Old and In the Way   Feb-25-05 04:08 PM   #111 
        - The strange thing is most hospice workers have seen this...  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 04:16 PM   #114 
        - Do research on what it means to have little to no cerebral  phylny   Feb-25-05 05:10 PM   #156 
  - We have all manner of laws, that doesn't make them all right.  shawcomm   Feb-25-05 03:15 PM   #59 
     - Schiavo has been fighting for her rights for many years.  janx   Feb-25-05 05:15 PM   #158 
        - No doubt, he is a wonderful husband.  lizzy   Feb-27-05 08:05 PM   #444 
  - Then by that token what is to prevent me from having my wishes..  vi5   Feb-25-05 03:06 PM   #48 
  - consider this...  themartyred   Feb-25-05 03:03 PM   #42 
     - that is exactly my position  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:10 PM   #51 
     - she is not retarded  Dookus   Feb-25-05 03:13 PM   #54 
     - How do you know what else is on the tapes?  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:15 PM   #57 
     - Responding/reacting is no indicator of life  AZCat   Feb-25-05 03:21 PM   #69 
     - but laughing and attempting to speak?  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:23 PM   #71 
        - I asked my dad about that  AZCat   Feb-25-05 03:28 PM   #75 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 05:20 PM   #161 
        - You don't have to be a doctor to figure out what a person  janx   Feb-25-05 05:24 PM   #164 
        - Sorry, that's wrong.  Lars39   Feb-25-05 05:38 PM   #171 
        - Many doctors examined Ms. Schiavo.  janx   Feb-25-05 05:55 PM   #177 
        - Is that some sort of a joke? Did your father review her medical  lizzy   Feb-25-05 05:58 PM   #179 
           - Is he not allowed to have an opinion? n/t  AZCat   Feb-25-05 06:01 PM   #182 
              - Well, anybody is allowed to have an opinion.  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:16 PM   #187 
                 - You are certainly entitled to believe that  AZCat   Feb-25-05 06:18 PM   #189 
        - She does not follow the balloon with her eyes.  janx   Feb-25-05 03:34 PM   #85 
           - Please refrain from interfering with the mythology!  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 03:43 PM   #92 
              - It drives me nuts!  janx   Feb-25-05 03:49 PM   #99 
     - No-- you are wrong. She does not "respond and react".  pacoyogi   Feb-25-05 03:23 PM   #70 
     - So her husband owns a piece of meat.  shawcomm   Feb-25-05 03:18 PM   #67 
        - He does not own her,  janx   Feb-25-05 03:31 PM   #80 
        - Nope  Dookus   Feb-25-05 03:54 PM   #103 
     - Fifteen years  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:47 PM   #146 
     - Actually, from what I have read, things have gotten worse...  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 06:10 PM   #185 
     - Are you talking about the edited video...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 07:47 PM   #420 
  - As outside observers we don't have enough info to say if this is good or..  Locut0s   Feb-25-05 03:03 PM   #43 
  - The oral claim IS enough.  Pithlet   Feb-25-05 03:32 PM   #81 
     - But that usually applies to life support cases in a coma  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:36 PM   #88 
     - You are wrong.  Pithlet   Feb-25-05 03:38 PM   #90 
     - Terri would be better off if she were only in a coma.  janx   Feb-25-05 03:46 PM   #95 
     - Sure but unless you have a witness how do you know...  Locut0s   Feb-25-05 03:44 PM   #93 
        - It's called a marriage license.  Pithlet   Feb-25-05 03:46 PM   #96 
        - simple...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 08:55 PM   #426 
  - Read what a depraved xtian freepturd thinks about Schiavo >>>>  RadiDem   Feb-25-05 03:05 PM   #44 
  - Schiavo Update 2/25: Man Cleared to Remove Wife's Feeding Tube(in 3 weeks)  truthpusher   Feb-25-05 03:17 PM   #62 
  - This is the kind of bullshit that drives me nuts  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 03:17 PM   #63 
  - Yes. He's a Vatican propaganda stooge.  Fenris   Feb-25-05 03:17 PM   #66 
  - Hi, LL!  janx   Feb-25-05 03:29 PM   #76 
  - At this point,  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:24 PM   #122 
     - Well, at least Greer finally washed his hands of it.  janx   Feb-25-05 04:40 PM   #138 
  - What's really funny is the way they quote the Vatican  kskiska   Feb-25-05 07:36 PM   #254 
  - I need to make sure  Fenris   Feb-25-05 03:17 PM   #64 
  - PM me  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 04:49 PM   #149 
  - Yep, settle this stuff now!  Lenore   Feb-25-05 07:07 PM   #240 
     - Luckily we have this thing...  AZCat   Feb-25-05 07:12 PM   #244 
     - The judge is blind...  Lenore   Feb-25-05 07:20 PM   #249 
        - And in response...  AZCat   Feb-25-05 07:28 PM   #251 
        - Cool.  henjack   Feb-26-05 07:23 AM   #347 
     - Naw, she's doing just fine  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 07:50 PM   #262 
  - Bingo. This has been tied up in court for years.  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 03:17 PM   #65 
  - Excellent website that lists all the info on Terri--and does not  pacoyogi   Feb-25-05 03:18 PM   #68 
  - thank you  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:29 PM   #78 
  - I like that web site too--  janx   Feb-25-05 03:30 PM   #79 
  - It is our human obligation to feed the hungry, it's not as if she's hooked  goodboy   Feb-25-05 03:29 PM   #77 
  - Let me ask you something.  janx   Feb-25-05 03:32 PM   #82 
     - I certainly wouldn't do what a horse owner would do!  Zuni   Feb-25-05 03:34 PM   #86 
     - Feeding tubes are withdraw all the time all over the world  moobu2   Feb-25-05 03:57 PM   #106 
     - no, but I wouldn't stop feeding her.  goodboy   Feb-25-05 06:47 PM   #225 
  - This could go on and on.  Megahurtz   Feb-25-05 03:32 PM   #84 
  - It could but  moobu2   Feb-25-05 03:50 PM   #101 
     - You noticed that too?  janx   Feb-25-05 03:53 PM   #102 
        - Which is probably a good thing.  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 03:59 PM   #107 
  - The terrible thing  CTyankee   Feb-25-05 04:08 PM   #112 
  - it's a decision that has to be made though.  moobu2   Feb-25-05 04:18 PM   #116 
     - Yes, you are right  CTyankee   Feb-26-05 02:34 PM   #370 
  - I wonder if anyone realizes how many are taken off  Horse with no Name   Feb-25-05 04:19 PM   #117 
  - Yeah? well you just continue a feeding tube for your family well after  moobu2   Feb-25-05 04:29 PM   #125 
  - Hmmmm...  Horse with no Name   Feb-25-05 04:37 PM   #135 
  - She won't be allowed any morphine. She was allowed none  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:03 PM   #183 
  - Did you ever pause to wonder  janx   Feb-25-05 06:27 PM   # 
  - I know why-for legal reasons. People on morphine die faster,  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:32 PM   #208 
     - Do you realize what would happen if someone put something  janx   Feb-25-05 06:49 PM   #229 
     - Lizzy, she has no cerebral cortex!  janx   Feb-25-05 06:51 PM   #230 
        - You have no idea what she feels or doesn't feel.  lizzy   Feb-25-05 08:03 PM   #273 
           - The only reason I can think of that she might be given morphine  janx   Feb-25-05 08:37 PM   #291 
           - Actually, I'm pretty sure that medical doctors and scientists  VirginiaDem   Feb-25-05 09:41 PM   #302 
  - That really sucks.  Horse with no Name   Feb-25-05 06:27 PM   #199 
  - This was never a problem 200 years ago.  Old and In the Way   Feb-25-05 07:17 PM   #246 
  - I agree 100%  Horse with no Name   Feb-25-05 07:34 PM   #252 
     - I've been confronted with the same situation in my life.  Old and In the Way   Feb-25-05 11:13 PM   #324 
        - I am sorry for your loss  Horse with no Name   Feb-26-05 08:02 AM   #348 
        - This is a very tough call  Donailin   Feb-26-05 08:35 AM   #352 
  - My mother was an administrator at a Catholic nursing home  Nikia   Feb-26-05 02:22 PM   #368 
  - One wonders about another thing as well....  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 04:34 PM   #131 
  - She has a younger brother.  lizzy   Feb-25-05 05:56 PM   #178 
  - A younger brother who probably has a life of his own.  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 06:13 PM   #186 
     - He is frequently on TV supporting his parents decisions to  lizzy   Feb-25-05 06:17 PM   #188 
        - That's a heck of a presumption.  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 06:32 PM   #207 
  - Suppose Terri Schiavo develops cancer or some other  kskiska   Feb-25-05 07:46 PM   #258 
     - That's the thing  moobu2   Feb-25-05 10:25 PM   #308 
        - Then she should be appointed a legal guardian.  lizzy   Feb-26-05 02:06 PM   #363 
           - She's had 3 court appointed guardians, one appointed by Jeb Bush  moobu2   Feb-27-05 05:25 AM   #433 
              - LOL. I have seen the husband giving interviews on TV now and  lizzy   Feb-27-05 03:55 PM   #436 
                 - So he gave 2 interviews after 500 from the Schindlers  moobu2   Feb-27-05 05:47 PM   #439 
  - MSNBC just had a doctor from the U. of Penn. on  kskiska   Feb-25-05 04:39 PM   #136 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 04:44 PM   #142 
     - She isnt in a coma your right, it's much worse than that  moobu2   Feb-25-05 04:46 PM   #145 
     - It's a weird inversion of...  AZCat   Feb-25-05 04:47 PM   #147 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 04:53 PM   #150 
        - Higher brain system.  janx   Feb-25-05 05:20 PM   #160 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 05:23 PM   #163 
           - Where did you see "human brain system" ?  janx   Feb-25-05 05:26 PM   #165 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 05:33 PM   #168 
                 - "Higher brain system" is a relevant term.  janx   Feb-25-05 05:39 PM   #172 
        - ADIOS  saigon68   Feb-26-05 07:01 AM   #346 
     - Which is why she will never "awaken." n/t  janx   Feb-25-05 05:01 PM   #154 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 06:23 PM   #193 
        - Again with the APFN link?  AZCat   Feb-25-05 06:27 PM   #200 
        - What is APFN?  janx   Feb-25-05 06:29 PM   #203 
        - APFN = "American Patriot Friends Network"  AZCat   Feb-25-05 06:31 PM   #206 
        - APFN=MERICAN PATRIOT FRIENDS NETWORK  moobu2   Feb-25-05 06:33 PM   #209 
           - LOL !!!!!!!!!! n/t  janx   Feb-25-05 06:40 PM   #217 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 06:30 PM   #204 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 06:34 PM   #210 
           - Find a different source...  AZCat   Feb-25-05 06:36 PM   #212 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 06:43 PM   #218 
              - Not my point at all  AZCat   Feb-25-05 06:49 PM   #227 
              - What money are you talking about?  Dookus   Feb-25-05 07:40 PM   #257 
           - The doctor who ordered that scan testified for Michael, the husband. n/t  moobu2   Feb-25-05 07:18 PM   #248 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 06:39 PM   #216 
              - Yes the bone scan lie  moobu2   Feb-25-05 06:46 PM   #224 
        - I'll tell you what, whatever PTs wrote that report should be fired for  phylny   Feb-25-05 07:05 PM   #239 
           - Exactly,  moobu2   Feb-25-05 07:55 PM   #267 
     - What does Ron Reagan or dogs have to do with it?  kskiska   Feb-25-05 06:57 PM   #232 
  - this case draws all the wingnuts out, here on DU  ima_sinnic   Feb-25-05 06:23 PM   #194 
  - It really does.  janx   Feb-25-05 06:26 PM   #197 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 06:36 PM   #211 
     - you have a living will, but you would deny that right to a peaceful  ima_sinnic   Feb-25-05 06:44 PM   #221 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 06:52 PM   #231 
        - That guy from The Village Voice  moobu2   Feb-25-05 07:03 PM   #236 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 07:10 PM   #242 
              - Crackpot? ha...I'm done with you, you obviously could care less  moobu2   Feb-25-05 07:16 PM   #245 
              - "any crackpot can put a site up"  janx   Feb-25-05 07:17 PM   #247 
     - Terri was a married adult when this happened. And according  janx   Feb-25-05 06:45 PM   #222 
        - I'm surprised the wingnuts heads haven't exploded over this one.  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 07:01 PM   #234 
           - I don't think they notice. It's like the Guckert/Gannon situation.  janx   Feb-25-05 07:05 PM   #238 
           - That's what many people dont see  moobu2   Feb-25-05 07:11 PM   #243 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 07:26 PM   #250 
              - Way to stand up for the sanctity of marriage there, partner!  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 07:37 PM   #255 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 07:50 PM   #261 
                 - ROTFLMAO!  Liberal Veteran   Feb-25-05 08:01 PM   #271 
                    - no kidding...  Dookus   Feb-25-05 08:11 PM   #281 
                    - This has become so funny I can't stand it!  janx   Feb-25-05 08:14 PM   #282 
              - The one who took illegitimate authority in this case was Jeb  janx   Feb-25-05 07:47 PM   #260 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 07:53 PM   #266 
                 - "allowed the Clintons to sell us out"--  janx   Feb-25-05 08:08 PM   #276 
                 - Who defined himself or herself as anti-anything?  janx   Feb-25-05 08:20 PM   #286 
              - You are a very funny character  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 08:02 PM   #272 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-05 08:10 PM   #279 
                 - "get real, get active, get radical" !!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  janx   Feb-25-05 08:17 PM   #285 
                 - I'm retired?  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 09:04 PM   #294 
                    - I'm actually almost going to miss that one!  janx   Feb-25-05 09:15 PM   #301 
                       - Me, too  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 11:47 PM   #328 
                 - What makes you so informed? Did you see the entire medical record?  barb162   Feb-26-05 09:59 PM   #428 
              - Agreed, the RW wants big theocratic government in  Erika   Feb-25-05 07:51 PM   #263 
                 - They're such  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-25-05 08:03 PM   #274 
                    - EXACTLY.  janx   Feb-25-05 08:10 PM   #280 
  - They have come out of the woodwork like cockroaches...  ace2u_in_MD   Feb-26-05 06:20 PM   #400 
     - I notice some (? one?) have been tombstoned since I posted that  ima_sinnic   Feb-26-05 06:50 PM   #408 
  - Extremists have been proven wrong.  Erika   Feb-25-05 09:02 PM   #293 
  - And the appeals for money go out:  janx   Feb-25-05 09:06 PM   #296 
  - Another one, from a "secondary source"--  janx   Feb-25-05 09:08 PM   #298 
  - Did you catch this?  Lars39   Feb-25-05 09:55 PM   #304 
     - No, I did not. But it's clear from looking at any timeline that  janx   Feb-25-05 10:03 PM   #305 
        - I've never read a more disgusting post  Erika   Feb-25-05 10:58 PM   #320 
  - SO they want money for legal bills but Terri is on Medicaid  SW FL Dem   Feb-25-05 10:14 PM   #306 
     - Terri's parents are being used. They've been "had."  janx   Feb-25-05 10:24 PM   #307 
  - Wasn't there an investigation into Terrisfight.org a while back?  moobu2   Feb-25-05 10:33 PM   #310 
  - Yes, there was. What happened with that? I posted news  janx   Feb-25-05 10:39 PM   #312 
  - I want to know about the details  moobu2   Feb-25-05 10:51 PM   #317 
     - It has been down a lot lately. They blame it on traffic, but  janx   Feb-25-05 11:23 PM   #325 
  - from clearwater here...  flyarm   Feb-25-05 10:44 PM   #314 
     - I don't think they are even allowed to take pictures of her  lizzy   Feb-26-05 02:04 PM   #362 
  - Terry either FEELS or she does NOT FEEL....  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 01:07 AM   #339 
  - You have no idea what your talking about  moobu2   Feb-26-05 01:25 AM   #342 
  - Hmmm interesting....  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 01:48 AM   #343 
     - You still dont know what your talking about  moobu2   Feb-26-05 04:56 AM   #344 
        - Obviously you have an agenda. I simply said PROVE he did not harm her.  mordarlar   Feb-26-05 05:59 PM   #395 
           - And you are agenda free? The false alegations of abuse were brought up in  moobu2   Feb-26-05 06:19 PM   #399 
  - Exactly. The same people who claim Terri suffers  lizzy   Feb-26-05 11:54 AM   #358 
  - Read this from the guardian report  moobu2   Feb-26-05 05:07 AM   #345 
  - Link, please!  janx   Feb-26-05 09:34 AM   #354 
     - Here you go  moobu2   Feb-26-05 01:19 PM   #361 
  - All I can say is that I hope she truly isn't "there"  BullGooseLoony   Feb-26-05 11:40 AM   #357 
  - Fifteen years  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 02:31 PM   #369 
     - There is a woman who started talking after 20 years, after  lizzy   Feb-26-05 02:36 PM   #371 
     - That woman wasn't in the same condition Terri Schiavo is in  moobu2   Feb-26-05 02:42 PM   #372 
     - Actually, that woman is probably worse than Terri.  lizzy   Feb-26-05 06:27 PM   #402 
        - You dont seem able to comprehend  moobu2   Feb-26-05 08:34 PM   #425 
           - I have done a little research, and it seems the difference is  lizzy   Feb-26-05 10:23 PM   #430 
              - It's apples and oranges.  moobu2   Feb-26-05 11:01 PM   #431 
     - No, that's wrong  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 03:02 PM   #374 
        - No, she was not in a coma.  lizzy   Feb-26-05 06:24 PM   #401 
     - That's because they are just using that term for political reasons  moobu2   Feb-26-05 02:47 PM   #373 
     - Amen, baby. Amen. n/t  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 03:03 PM   #375 
     - Maybe they're not backing up people on Death Row, but I am.  BullGooseLoony   Feb-26-05 04:32 PM   #384 
        - we know enough to know that without a cerebral cortex, you not there.  moobu2   Feb-26-05 04:34 PM   #386 
        - How do you know that?  BullGooseLoony   Feb-26-05 04:40 PM   #388 
        - She's not there  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 05:25 PM   #393 
  - I think starving anyone is horrible. This case shows how utterly  Chicago Democrat   Feb-26-05 12:17 PM   #360 
  - Removing a feeding tube is not "starving."  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 03:08 PM   #376 
  - Attitudes like yours prove  Chicago Democrat   Feb-26-05 03:57 PM   #378 
  - That's it  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 04:12 PM   #380 
  - OK now Im hurt.  Chicago Democrat   Feb-26-05 04:19 PM   #381 
  - FU?  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 05:22 PM   #391 
  - are you just pretending to be a jerk?  puddycat   Feb-26-05 07:42 PM   #419 
     - Gee...........................  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 09:45 PM   #427 
        - put down your 'tude one second to try to understand  puddycat   Feb-27-05 03:04 PM   #434 
           - Awwwwwwwww  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-27-05 03:47 PM   #435 
  - You aren't the only one who's had to make these decisions  moobu2   Feb-26-05 04:30 PM   #383 
     - No! 5 hours is too short of time to decide... They pressured her...  Chicago Democrat   Feb-26-05 04:54 PM   #389 
        - I've had to deal with this issue personaly several times  moobu2   Feb-26-05 05:13 PM   #390 
  - It's most definitely starving her body.  BullGooseLoony   Feb-26-05 04:37 PM   #387 
  - There's a difference between "starving"  OldLeftieLawyer   Feb-26-05 05:24 PM   #392 
     - Ahhh. I see. nt  BullGooseLoony   Feb-26-05 07:05 PM   #413 
  - So, if somebody has a baby, and doesn't feed it, that's not starving  lizzy   Feb-27-05 05:42 PM   #438 
     - Cant believe you cant see the difference.  moobu2   Feb-27-05 05:52 PM   #440 
  - Didn't know she was anorexic  Blaq Dem   Feb-26-05 03:38 PM   #377 
     - Your right about the eating disorder but she was Bulimic not anorexic  moobu2   Feb-26-05 03:59 PM   #379 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-05 04:26 PM   #382 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-05 04:32 PM   #385 
           - Lies are everywhere  Bariztr   Feb-27-05 07:29 PM   #442 
  - I am locking this thread as it has become remarkably unweildly...  rasputin1952   Feb-27-05 08:43 PM   #446 
 

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