| -Judge Orders Florida Woman's Feeding Tube Removed |
johnnie |
Feb-25-05 02:30 PM |
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Any Bets On How Long... |
jayfish |
Feb-25-05 02:31 PM |
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I bet you 500 neopoints from neopets.com |
dorktv |
Feb-25-05 02:35 PM |
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This judge won't issue any more stays. I posted a link to the |
janx |
Feb-25-05 02:53 PM |
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I'm sure this is heartbreaking to her parents... |
vi5 |
Feb-25-05 02:33 PM |
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If it were my daughter, |
JDPriestly |
Feb-25-05 02:37 PM |
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I Believe Her Husband,... |
jayfish |
Feb-25-05 02:42 PM |
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He never mentioned during the Malpractice Trial |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 02:53 PM |
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I agree. Something stinks about this case... |
woodsprite |
Feb-25-05 03:16 PM |
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He apparently spent $400,000 on his laywer, george Felos |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:32 PM |
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Actually, she died 15 years ago today |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:26 PM |
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If she is dead, then Michael can not be married to her. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:29 PM |
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Oh, honey, |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 07:46 PM |
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LOL ....good one |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 08:26 PM |
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Right back at ya... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 06:46 PM |
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I don't believe she is dead. |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 06:52 PM |
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Your belief doesn't supercede 5+ years of medical testimony.... |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-26-05 07:12 PM |
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I see you love cats. Did you know that Michael had |
lizzy |
Feb-27-05 04:05 PM |
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Feb-25-05 04:22 PM |
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Nope. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 04:45 PM |
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Well, that's even better. He declared it 8 years later? |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:24 PM |
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It sounds to me like |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 06:36 PM |
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Yep. n/t |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:38 PM |
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money awarded/DNR put in chart within the year |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 08:16 PM |
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Do you have any idea--look at the timeline again--how much |
janx |
Feb-25-05 08:45 PM |
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time-lines are interesting things... |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 10:32 PM |
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I am interested in facts, not innuendo and gossip. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 10:49 PM |
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You live alone |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 11:50 PM |
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Don't forget the scans they did of her body that showed.... |
mordarlar |
Feb-25-05 07:35 PM |
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There you go! Confusing people with facts! n/t |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 08:17 PM |
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IShe was anorexic; that would explain the broken or |
Lindacooks |
Feb-25-05 09:04 PM |
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Give me a break! She weighed almost 120lbs and stood at 5'3 |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 10:37 PM |
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A court did rule on it;that's how he received the settlements. |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 10:51 PM |
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No, give ME a break. |
Lindacooks |
Feb-25-05 11:33 PM |
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Feb-25-05 11:51 PM |
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Is it necessary to insult someones intelligance... |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 12:51 AM |
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There are no questions about what happened |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 08:06 AM |
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I don't understand how/why a DCF attorney showed up at the |
janx |
Feb-26-05 09:27 AM |
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I think because it's the law |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 11:28 AM |
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"intelligance" was a typing error. Not an intellectual one. Very mature |
mordarlar |
Feb-27-05 04:12 AM |
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No one has PROVED that he harmed her in the past, what, 15 YEARS? |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 06:49 PM |
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I disagree people HAVE offered proof that he MAY HAVE harmed her |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 06:54 PM |
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The abuse claims HAVE been investigated |
SW FL Dem |
Feb-26-05 07:08 PM |
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The following post from me was directed to you.... |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 07:24 PM |
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Could you provide a link to support this? I have seen no evidence of it. |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 07:20 PM |
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The cause of cardiac arrest was electrolyte imbalance |
Lars39 |
Feb-26-05 07:47 PM |
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Two agencies did investigate. Below is a response from both. |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 10:19 PM |
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No one has offered proof... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-27-05 06:33 PM |
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This argument is getting tiresome. That issue was irrelevant in the |
SW FL Dem |
Feb-25-05 08:22 PM |
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This may be cold, but I don't think the parents get a say.... |
vi5 |
Feb-25-05 02:45 PM |
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I would much rather my |
Justyce |
Feb-25-05 02:51 PM |
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Why This Isn't So Simple |
The_Counsel |
Feb-25-05 02:49 PM |
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There is no plug---she is not on life support |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 02:55 PM |
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It's not appalling if those were her wishes.... |
vi5 |
Feb-25-05 02:59 PM |
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He says she told him she wants to die when they were watching TV |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:03 PM |
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Again...that is between him and her..... |
vi5 |
Feb-25-05 03:09 PM |
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interestingly |
SemperEadem |
Feb-26-05 05:46 PM |
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He was not the only person to testify to that. |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 05:39 PM |
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The only other people who testified to her wishes ( to be removed) were... |
mordarlar |
Feb-25-05 07:38 PM |
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Not so. |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 07:57 PM |
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Get the facts straight. A 'life' is in the balance |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 09:06 PM |
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Oh, no tighter than the parents who wanted half his money. |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 09:47 PM |
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Feb-25-05 10:49 PM |
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That was a reckless post. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 11:01 PM |
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Yes, the money is gone. Probably even Terri's settlement. |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 11:07 PM |
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Her parents offered to allow Michael to KEEP any remaining money... |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 12:55 AM |
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Terri had money settled on her for her care. |
Lars39 |
Feb-26-05 01:05 AM |
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There are reasons to be suspicious of Michael. If she had died that night. |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 01:11 AM |
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God forbid... |
AZCat |
Feb-26-05 08:16 AM |
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There's PROOF of potential GUILT now the burden falls to clear this... |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 06:08 PM |
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Uh, it cannot be assumed... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 06:07 PM |
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At what point does one become subject to a criminal trial? |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 06:13 PM |
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You said that his innocence cannot be assumed... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 06:28 PM |
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I explained the phrase. Innocent until PROVEN guilty... |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 06:43 PM |
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And, in 15 YEARS, no one has offered enough proof... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 07:01 PM |
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I don't think so. Some of the money was awarded on her care. |
lizzy |
Feb-27-05 08:03 PM |
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Feb-26-05 08:07 AM |
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Can you please provide a link? |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 12:53 AM |
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Yep. He didn't remember it when during trial he said |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:30 PM |
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and he did become a nurse |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 09:10 PM |
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He had said he will take care of her for the rest of his life. |
lizzy |
Feb-27-05 08:16 PM |
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quality of life matters |
peacebird |
Feb-25-05 04:07 PM |
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Terri feels pain whereas true "vegetables" don't n/t |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 09:14 PM |
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Feb-26-05 12:00 PM |
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I Know That... |
The_Counsel |
Feb-25-05 04:17 PM |
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Why don't people have an executed Health Care Power Of Attorney? |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:31 PM |
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I Agree Wholeheartedly. |
The_Counsel |
Feb-25-05 04:53 PM |
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life support |
pop goes the weasel |
Feb-25-05 06:43 PM |
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I think it is appalling |
FlaGranny |
Feb-26-05 09:41 AM |
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I think there is a certain level of default to this stuff...... |
vi5 |
Feb-25-05 02:57 PM |
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Guess what? There's no money |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:29 PM |
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Guess What? There WAS Money... |
The_Counsel |
Feb-25-05 04:43 PM |
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"was" ain't "is" |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:55 PM |
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Michael was not the only one testifying that she said |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 05:22 PM |
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She's been in the nursing home for what? 15 years? |
cornermouse |
Feb-25-05 06:22 PM |
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So what? Now it's about money? We don't want to spend money |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 02:10 PM |
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The Florida Taxpayers are paying for her care |
SW FL Dem |
Feb-25-05 08:34 PM |
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if she were my daughter, I'd want her to be mercifully allowed to die |
puddycat |
Feb-26-05 07:28 PM |
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My wife have a further agreement |
Walt Starr |
Feb-25-05 02:41 PM |
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But Terri is not on life support |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 02:56 PM |
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A feeding tube IS life support |
Walt Starr |
Feb-25-05 03:41 PM |
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What kind of quality of life does this woman have? |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-25-05 03:50 PM |
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She wouldn't have to be bed ridden if her husband left her alone. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:05 PM |
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Really? |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 06:45 PM |
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It's almost too funny..... |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-25-05 07:09 PM |
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No, I don't believe she would be up and walking about. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 08:04 PM |
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You could put her in an airplane or take her for a boat ride, too. |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-25-05 11:31 PM |
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Doesn't the irony just slay you? |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:32 PM |
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Starved? |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:34 PM |
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The feeding tube is no different than a respirator? |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 05:59 PM |
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And that's why it's called |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 06:01 PM |
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It's still life support. |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 06:18 PM |
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Then isn't someone bringing an immobile patient food also? |
Nikia |
Feb-26-05 02:07 PM |
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In some ways it is, but probably not legally. |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-26-05 08:18 PM |
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Both of you need to put it in writing. Even the hospital |
leftynyc |
Feb-25-05 03:15 PM |
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My wife is an attorney |
Walt Starr |
Feb-25-05 03:45 PM |
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Did you also know |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-25-05 03:47 PM |
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Living Will AND Power of Attorney |
HockeyMom |
Feb-25-05 05:13 PM |
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Do hospital forms mean anything? |
Nikia |
Feb-26-05 02:12 PM |
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You admit their are extenuating circumstances, yet dismiss |
shawcomm |
Feb-25-05 03:02 PM |
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damn right |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:12 PM |
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Try both, and then get back to us. |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:36 PM |
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I have been reading about this for awhile now, and |
Castilleja |
Feb-26-05 12:27 AM |
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He's married. Not "married". |
Pithlet |
Feb-25-05 03:26 PM |
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The problem seems to be |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 05:40 PM |
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If only... |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 05:41 PM |
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Ya think? |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:23 PM |
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Untrue |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:33 PM |
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Amen. |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:25 PM |
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trust the spouse more, eh?? |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 06:49 PM |
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I read all those same exact points |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 07:01 PM |
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why was she given a bone scan in 1991? |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 07:53 PM |
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Did you read the timeline? |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 08:10 PM |
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She got the bone scan because she was HURTING and SAYING so n/t |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 10:53 PM |
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Not exactly |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 11:02 PM |
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The amount of speculation and gossip in your post leads |
janx |
Feb-25-05 10:44 PM |
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Boy, if I had bothered to read your screed past line two, |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 12:00 AM |
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Where does a child stop being the property of a parent? |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 06:40 PM |
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Then again |
johnnie |
Feb-25-05 02:34 PM |
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just a change in headline - same Court order - tube out 3/18 n/t |
papau |
Feb-25-05 02:40 PM |
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Oh..OK Thanks. n/t |
johnnie |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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Remove it NEXT MONTH.............. |
ClintonTyree |
Feb-25-05 02:35 PM |
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It is a circus, but it's an important case because of the possible |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:16 PM |
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No, actually, it has no significance |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:40 PM |
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But what if the wingnuts had gotten their way? |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:18 PM |
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I don't deal in hypotheticals. |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 05:34 PM |
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That's not rude. I understand. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:40 PM |
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My heart goes out to all parties involved in this |
oddmanout |
Feb-25-05 02:39 PM |
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three week stay in life support case (terry schiavo) |
themartyred |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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it's disgusting |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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i don't want to kill her |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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Feb-25-05 04:19 PM |
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The court has addressed Terri's condition multiple times |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 04:23 PM |
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I can only trust the court in this. |
Bleachers7 |
Feb-25-05 04:47 PM |
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It only |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 05:31 PM |
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What if there was abuse? |
conseco |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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I don't think it really works that way |
Oreo |
Feb-25-05 02:55 PM |
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He pretty much is already married to another woman and has kids w/ her |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 02:57 PM |
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I didn't know that |
Oreo |
Feb-25-05 03:05 PM |
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Yep. 2 kids. |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:06 PM |
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And that matters how? |
Pithlet |
Feb-25-05 03:34 PM |
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Too many people... |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 03:38 PM |
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exactly true - I would hope my husband would be happy |
peacebird |
Feb-25-05 04:10 PM |
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How does that matter? Are you serious? |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:18 PM |
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15 years |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:42 PM |
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What a beautiful "Catch-22" you've constructed |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 04:35 PM |
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The other woman wants a Catholic wedding |
Nikia |
Feb-26-05 02:14 PM |
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Citation please... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 06:57 PM |
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Allegations of abuse were dismissed by the courts a long |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:47 PM |
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Not because it didn't happen, but because it can not be proven. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:27 PM |
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Well maybe she had an overdose... |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 06:29 PM |
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LOL |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 06:38 PM |
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Some things... |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 06:43 PM |
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I've been laughing for ten minutes!!! n/t |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:59 PM |
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I would like to see you writing not in your native language- |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 07:55 PM |
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Sorry |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 07:59 PM |
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Terribly sorry. Since I learned English as an adult, I use a wrong |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 08:09 PM |
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How do you know her dad wasn't beating the shyte out of her? |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 06:47 PM |
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What kind of "fractions"? |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 07:04 PM |
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I also think its good |
Corgigal |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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They've dont that repeatedly. |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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from that article |
Corgigal |
Feb-25-05 02:52 PM |
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You are incorrect--she was bulimic, and her father, if |
pacoyogi |
Feb-25-05 03:14 PM |
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Im not incorrect |
Corgigal |
Feb-25-05 03:24 PM |
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There's always a basis for eating disorders, |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:44 PM |
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Her father can't know for sure if she had bulimia. Nobody knows |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:20 PM |
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And, who would be in a better position to know? Her husband or her father |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 07:58 PM |
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The cause of cardiac arrest was electrolyte imbalance |
Lars39 |
Feb-26-05 08:04 PM |
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Here: |
janx |
Feb-25-05 04:57 PM |
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APFN? |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 05:35 PM |
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Why do you presume Michael did that? |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 05:29 PM |
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Revolting! This republican judge and Jeb Bush should be prosecuted. |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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This isn't a stay. It's a court order. You can read it here: |
janx |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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I am happy they aren't murdering her |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 02:50 PM |
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why don't you do a little homework and read |
ldf |
Feb-25-05 04:03 PM |
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Actually, removing nutrition is not a barbaric way to die. |
phylny |
Feb-25-05 05:08 PM |
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In light of all the lies being spread by right to life liars, read this |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 02:56 PM |
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No flame, but with little to no cerebral cortex, |
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Feb-25-05 03:55 PM |
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It was not a stay. It was a court order. You can read it here: |
janx |
Feb-25-05 02:52 PM |
#27 |
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Thank you for all the information....CNN said it was a stay. |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 03:02 PM |
#39 |
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A stay is a court order |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 07:53 PM |
#264 |
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Oy! I did not know that, and thanks for the information. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 08:25 PM |
#288 |
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How revolting of the judges |
tishaLA |
Feb-25-05 02:53 PM |
#28 |
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What is radical about preventing an invalid from being starved? |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:00 PM |
#38 |
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a feeding tube IS life support |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 03:05 PM |
#46 |
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If she was in a coma and on life support |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:08 PM |
#49 |
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I wish the law |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 03:12 PM |
#53 |
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I do not believe that |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:13 PM |
#55 |
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They wouldn't be allowed to be present. n/t |
woodsprite |
Feb-25-05 03:24 PM |
#72 |
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A morphine drip would take care of that concern and hasten the end. |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-25-05 04:08 PM |
#111 |
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The strange thing is most hospice workers have seen this... |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 04:16 PM |
#114 |
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Do research on what it means to have little to no cerebral |
phylny |
Feb-25-05 05:10 PM |
#156 |
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We have all manner of laws, that doesn't make them all right. |
shawcomm |
Feb-25-05 03:15 PM |
#59 |
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Schiavo has been fighting for her rights for many years. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:15 PM |
#158 |
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No doubt, he is a wonderful husband. |
lizzy |
Feb-27-05 08:05 PM |
#444 |
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Then by that token what is to prevent me from having my wishes.. |
vi5 |
Feb-25-05 03:06 PM |
#48 |
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consider this... |
themartyred |
Feb-25-05 03:03 PM |
#42 |
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that is exactly my position |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:10 PM |
#51 |
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she is not retarded |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 03:13 PM |
#54 |
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How do you know what else is on the tapes? |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:15 PM |
#57 |
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Responding/reacting is no indicator of life |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 03:21 PM |
#69 |
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but laughing and attempting to speak? |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:23 PM |
#71 |
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I asked my dad about that |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 03:28 PM |
#75 |
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Feb-25-05 05:20 PM |
#161 |
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You don't have to be a doctor to figure out what a person |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:24 PM |
#164 |
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Sorry, that's wrong. |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 05:38 PM |
#171 |
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Many doctors examined Ms. Schiavo. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:55 PM |
#177 |
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Is that some sort of a joke? Did your father review her medical |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 05:58 PM |
#179 |
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Is he not allowed to have an opinion? n/t |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 06:01 PM |
#182 |
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Well, anybody is allowed to have an opinion. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:16 PM |
#187 |
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You are certainly entitled to believe that |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 06:18 PM |
#189 |
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She does not follow the balloon with her eyes. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:34 PM |
#85 |
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Please refrain from interfering with the mythology! |
tishaLA |
Feb-25-05 03:43 PM |
#92 |
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It drives me nuts! |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:49 PM |
#99 |
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No-- you are wrong. She does not "respond and react". |
pacoyogi |
Feb-25-05 03:23 PM |
#70 |
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So her husband owns a piece of meat. |
shawcomm |
Feb-25-05 03:18 PM |
#67 |
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He does not own her, |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:31 PM |
#80 |
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Nope |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 03:54 PM |
#103 |
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Fifteen years |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:47 PM |
#146 |
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Actually, from what I have read, things have gotten worse... |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 06:10 PM |
#185 |
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Are you talking about the edited video... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 07:47 PM |
#420 |
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As outside observers we don't have enough info to say if this is good or.. |
Locut0s |
Feb-25-05 03:03 PM |
#43 |
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The oral claim IS enough. |
Pithlet |
Feb-25-05 03:32 PM |
#81 |
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But that usually applies to life support cases in a coma |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:36 PM |
#88 |
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You are wrong. |
Pithlet |
Feb-25-05 03:38 PM |
#90 |
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Terri would be better off if she were only in a coma. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:46 PM |
#95 |
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Sure but unless you have a witness how do you know... |
Locut0s |
Feb-25-05 03:44 PM |
#93 |
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It's called a marriage license. |
Pithlet |
Feb-25-05 03:46 PM |
#96 |
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simple... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 08:55 PM |
#426 |
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Read what a depraved xtian freepturd thinks about Schiavo >>>> |
RadiDem |
Feb-25-05 03:05 PM |
#44 |
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Schiavo Update 2/25: Man Cleared to Remove Wife's Feeding Tube(in 3 weeks) |
truthpusher |
Feb-25-05 03:17 PM |
#62 |
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This is the kind of bullshit that drives me nuts |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 03:17 PM |
#63 |
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Yes. He's a Vatican propaganda stooge. |
Fenris |
Feb-25-05 03:17 PM |
#66 |
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Hi, LL! |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:29 PM |
#76 |
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At this point, |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:24 PM |
#122 |
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Well, at least Greer finally washed his hands of it. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 04:40 PM |
#138 |
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What's really funny is the way they quote the Vatican |
kskiska |
Feb-25-05 07:36 PM |
#254 |
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I need to make sure |
Fenris |
Feb-25-05 03:17 PM |
#64 |
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PM me |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 04:49 PM |
#149 |
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Yep, settle this stuff now! |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 07:07 PM |
#240 |
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Luckily we have this thing... |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 07:12 PM |
#244 |
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The judge is blind... |
Lenore |
Feb-25-05 07:20 PM |
#249 |
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And in response... |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 07:28 PM |
#251 |
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Cool. |
henjack |
Feb-26-05 07:23 AM |
#347 |
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Naw, she's doing just fine |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 07:50 PM |
#262 |
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Bingo. This has been tied up in court for years. |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 03:17 PM |
#65 |
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Excellent website that lists all the info on Terri--and does not |
pacoyogi |
Feb-25-05 03:18 PM |
#68 |
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thank you |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:29 PM |
#78 |
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I like that web site too-- |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:30 PM |
#79 |
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It is our human obligation to feed the hungry, it's not as if she's hooked |
goodboy |
Feb-25-05 03:29 PM |
#77 |
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Let me ask you something. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:32 PM |
#82 |
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I certainly wouldn't do what a horse owner would do! |
Zuni |
Feb-25-05 03:34 PM |
#86 |
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Feeding tubes are withdraw all the time all over the world |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 03:57 PM |
#106 |
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no, but I wouldn't stop feeding her. |
goodboy |
Feb-25-05 06:47 PM |
#225 |
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This could go on and on. |
Megahurtz |
Feb-25-05 03:32 PM |
#84 |
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It could but |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 03:50 PM |
#101 |
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You noticed that too? |
janx |
Feb-25-05 03:53 PM |
#102 |
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Which is probably a good thing. |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 03:59 PM |
#107 |
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The terrible thing |
CTyankee |
Feb-25-05 04:08 PM |
#112 |
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it's a decision that has to be made though. |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 04:18 PM |
#116 |
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Yes, you are right |
CTyankee |
Feb-26-05 02:34 PM |
#370 |
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I wonder if anyone realizes how many are taken off |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-25-05 04:19 PM |
#117 |
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Yeah? well you just continue a feeding tube for your family well after |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 04:29 PM |
#125 |
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Hmmmm... |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-25-05 04:37 PM |
#135 |
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She won't be allowed any morphine. She was allowed none |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:03 PM |
#183 |
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Did you ever pause to wonder |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:27 PM |
# |
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I know why-for legal reasons. People on morphine die faster, |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:32 PM |
#208 |
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Do you realize what would happen if someone put something |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:49 PM |
#229 |
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Lizzy, she has no cerebral cortex! |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:51 PM |
#230 |
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You have no idea what she feels or doesn't feel. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 08:03 PM |
#273 |
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The only reason I can think of that she might be given morphine |
janx |
Feb-25-05 08:37 PM |
#291 |
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that medical doctors and scientists |
VirginiaDem |
Feb-25-05 09:41 PM |
#302 |
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That really sucks. |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-25-05 06:27 PM |
#199 |
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This was never a problem 200 years ago. |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-25-05 07:17 PM |
#246 |
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I agree 100% |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-25-05 07:34 PM |
#252 |
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I've been confronted with the same situation in my life. |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-25-05 11:13 PM |
#324 |
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I am sorry for your loss |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-26-05 08:02 AM |
#348 |
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This is a very tough call |
Donailin |
Feb-26-05 08:35 AM |
#352 |
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My mother was an administrator at a Catholic nursing home |
Nikia |
Feb-26-05 02:22 PM |
#368 |
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One wonders about another thing as well.... |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 04:34 PM |
#131 |
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She has a younger brother. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 05:56 PM |
#178 |
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A younger brother who probably has a life of his own. |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 06:13 PM |
#186 |
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He is frequently on TV supporting his parents decisions to |
lizzy |
Feb-25-05 06:17 PM |
#188 |
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That's a heck of a presumption. |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 06:32 PM |
#207 |
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Suppose Terri Schiavo develops cancer or some other |
kskiska |
Feb-25-05 07:46 PM |
#258 |
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That's the thing |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 10:25 PM |
#308 |
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Then she should be appointed a legal guardian. |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 02:06 PM |
#363 |
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She's had 3 court appointed guardians, one appointed by Jeb Bush |
moobu2 |
Feb-27-05 05:25 AM |
#433 |
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LOL. I have seen the husband giving interviews on TV now and |
lizzy |
Feb-27-05 03:55 PM |
#436 |
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So he gave 2 interviews after 500 from the Schindlers |
moobu2 |
Feb-27-05 05:47 PM |
#439 |
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MSNBC just had a doctor from the U. of Penn. on |
kskiska |
Feb-25-05 04:39 PM |
#136 |
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Feb-25-05 04:44 PM |
#142 |
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She isnt in a coma your right, it's much worse than that |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 04:46 PM |
#145 |
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It's a weird inversion of... |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 04:47 PM |
#147 |
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Feb-25-05 04:53 PM |
#150 |
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Higher brain system. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:20 PM |
#160 |
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Feb-25-05 05:23 PM |
#163 |
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Where did you see "human brain system" ? |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:26 PM |
#165 |
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Feb-25-05 05:33 PM |
#168 |
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"Higher brain system" is a relevant term. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:39 PM |
#172 |
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ADIOS |
saigon68 |
Feb-26-05 07:01 AM |
#346 |
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Which is why she will never "awaken." n/t |
janx |
Feb-25-05 05:01 PM |
#154 |
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Feb-25-05 06:23 PM |
#193 |
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Again with the APFN link? |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 06:27 PM |
#200 |
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What is APFN? |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:29 PM |
#203 |
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APFN = "American Patriot Friends Network" |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 06:31 PM |
#206 |
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APFN=MERICAN PATRIOT FRIENDS NETWORK |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 06:33 PM |
#209 |
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LOL !!!!!!!!!! n/t |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:40 PM |
#217 |
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Feb-25-05 06:30 PM |
#204 |
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Feb-25-05 06:34 PM |
#210 |
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Find a different source... |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 06:36 PM |
#212 |
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Feb-25-05 06:43 PM |
#218 |
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Not my point at all |
AZCat |
Feb-25-05 06:49 PM |
#227 |
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What money are you talking about? |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 07:40 PM |
#257 |
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The doctor who ordered that scan testified for Michael, the husband. n/t |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 07:18 PM |
#248 |
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Feb-25-05 06:39 PM |
#216 |
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Yes the bone scan lie |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 06:46 PM |
#224 |
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I'll tell you what, whatever PTs wrote that report should be fired for |
phylny |
Feb-25-05 07:05 PM |
#239 |
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Exactly, |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 07:55 PM |
#267 |
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What does Ron Reagan or dogs have to do with it? |
kskiska |
Feb-25-05 06:57 PM |
#232 |
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this case draws all the wingnuts out, here on DU |
ima_sinnic |
Feb-25-05 06:23 PM |
#194 |
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It really does. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:26 PM |
#197 |
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Feb-25-05 06:36 PM |
#211 |
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you have a living will, but you would deny that right to a peaceful |
ima_sinnic |
Feb-25-05 06:44 PM |
#221 |
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Feb-25-05 06:52 PM |
#231 |
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That guy from The Village Voice |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 07:03 PM |
#236 |
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Feb-25-05 07:10 PM |
#242 |
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Crackpot? ha...I'm done with you, you obviously could care less |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 07:16 PM |
#245 |
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"any crackpot can put a site up" |
janx |
Feb-25-05 07:17 PM |
#247 |
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Terri was a married adult when this happened. And according |
janx |
Feb-25-05 06:45 PM |
#222 |
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I'm surprised the wingnuts heads haven't exploded over this one. |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 07:01 PM |
#234 |
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I don't think they notice. It's like the Guckert/Gannon situation. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 07:05 PM |
#238 |
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That's what many people dont see |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 07:11 PM |
#243 |
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Feb-25-05 07:26 PM |
#250 |
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Way to stand up for the sanctity of marriage there, partner! |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 07:37 PM |
#255 |
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Feb-25-05 07:50 PM |
#261 |
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ROTFLMAO! |
Liberal Veteran |
Feb-25-05 08:01 PM |
#271 |
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no kidding... |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 08:11 PM |
#281 |
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This has become so funny I can't stand it! |
janx |
Feb-25-05 08:14 PM |
#282 |
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The one who took illegitimate authority in this case was Jeb |
janx |
Feb-25-05 07:47 PM |
#260 |
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Feb-25-05 07:53 PM |
#266 |
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"allowed the Clintons to sell us out"-- |
janx |
Feb-25-05 08:08 PM |
#276 |
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Who defined himself or herself as anti-anything? |
janx |
Feb-25-05 08:20 PM |
#286 |
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You are a very funny character |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 08:02 PM |
#272 |
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Feb-25-05 08:10 PM |
#279 |
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"get real, get active, get radical" !!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
janx |
Feb-25-05 08:17 PM |
#285 |
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I'm retired? |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 09:04 PM |
#294 |
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I'm actually almost going to miss that one! |
janx |
Feb-25-05 09:15 PM |
#301 |
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Me, too |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 11:47 PM |
#328 |
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What makes you so informed? Did you see the entire medical record? |
barb162 |
Feb-26-05 09:59 PM |
#428 |
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Agreed, the RW wants big theocratic government in |
Erika |
Feb-25-05 07:51 PM |
#263 |
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They're such |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-25-05 08:03 PM |
#274 |
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EXACTLY. |
janx |
Feb-25-05 08:10 PM |
#280 |
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They have come out of the woodwork like cockroaches... |
ace2u_in_MD |
Feb-26-05 06:20 PM |
#400 |
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I notice some (? one?) have been tombstoned since I posted that |
ima_sinnic |
Feb-26-05 06:50 PM |
#408 |
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Extremists have been proven wrong. |
Erika |
Feb-25-05 09:02 PM |
#293 |
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And the appeals for money go out: |
janx |
Feb-25-05 09:06 PM |
#296 |
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Another one, from a "secondary source"-- |
janx |
Feb-25-05 09:08 PM |
#298 |
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Did you catch this? |
Lars39 |
Feb-25-05 09:55 PM |
#304 |
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No, I did not. But it's clear from looking at any timeline that |
janx |
Feb-25-05 10:03 PM |
#305 |
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I've never read a more disgusting post |
Erika |
Feb-25-05 10:58 PM |
#320 |
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SO they want money for legal bills but Terri is on Medicaid |
SW FL Dem |
Feb-25-05 10:14 PM |
#306 |
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Terri's parents are being used. They've been "had." |
janx |
Feb-25-05 10:24 PM |
#307 |
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Wasn't there an investigation into Terrisfight.org a while back? |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 10:33 PM |
#310 |
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Yes, there was. What happened with that? I posted news |
janx |
Feb-25-05 10:39 PM |
#312 |
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I want to know about the details |
moobu2 |
Feb-25-05 10:51 PM |
#317 |
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It has been down a lot lately. They blame it on traffic, but |
janx |
Feb-25-05 11:23 PM |
#325 |
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from clearwater here... |
flyarm |
Feb-25-05 10:44 PM |
#314 |
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I don't think they are even allowed to take pictures of her |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 02:04 PM |
#362 |
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Terry either FEELS or she does NOT FEEL.... |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 01:07 AM |
#339 |
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You have no idea what your talking about |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 01:25 AM |
#342 |
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Hmmm interesting.... |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 01:48 AM |
#343 |
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You still dont know what your talking about |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 04:56 AM |
#344 |
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Obviously you have an agenda. I simply said PROVE he did not harm her. |
mordarlar |
Feb-26-05 05:59 PM |
#395 |
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And you are agenda free? The false alegations of abuse were brought up in |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 06:19 PM |
#399 |
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Exactly. The same people who claim Terri suffers |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 11:54 AM |
#358 |
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Read this from the guardian report |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 05:07 AM |
#345 |
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Link, please! |
janx |
Feb-26-05 09:34 AM |
#354 |
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Here you go |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 01:19 PM |
#361 |
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All I can say is that I hope she truly isn't "there" |
BullGooseLoony |
Feb-26-05 11:40 AM |
#357 |
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Fifteen years |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 02:31 PM |
#369 |
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There is a woman who started talking after 20 years, after |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 02:36 PM |
#371 |
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That woman wasn't in the same condition Terri Schiavo is in |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 02:42 PM |
#372 |
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Actually, that woman is probably worse than Terri. |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 06:27 PM |
#402 |
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You dont seem able to comprehend |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 08:34 PM |
#425 |
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I have done a little research, and it seems the difference is |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 10:23 PM |
#430 |
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It's apples and oranges. |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 11:01 PM |
#431 |
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No, that's wrong |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 03:02 PM |
#374 |
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No, she was not in a coma. |
lizzy |
Feb-26-05 06:24 PM |
#401 |
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That's because they are just using that term for political reasons |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 02:47 PM |
#373 |
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Amen, baby. Amen. n/t |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 03:03 PM |
#375 |
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Maybe they're not backing up people on Death Row, but I am. |
BullGooseLoony |
Feb-26-05 04:32 PM |
#384 |
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we know enough to know that without a cerebral cortex, you not there. |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 04:34 PM |
#386 |
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How do you know that? |
BullGooseLoony |
Feb-26-05 04:40 PM |
#388 |
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She's not there |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 05:25 PM |
#393 |
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I think starving anyone is horrible. This case shows how utterly |
Chicago Democrat |
Feb-26-05 12:17 PM |
#360 |
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Removing a feeding tube is not "starving." |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 03:08 PM |
#376 |
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Attitudes like yours prove |
Chicago Democrat |
Feb-26-05 03:57 PM |
#378 |
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That's it |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 04:12 PM |
#380 |
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OK now Im hurt. |
Chicago Democrat |
Feb-26-05 04:19 PM |
#381 |
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FU? |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 05:22 PM |
#391 |
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are you just pretending to be a jerk? |
puddycat |
Feb-26-05 07:42 PM |
#419 |
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Gee........................... |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 09:45 PM |
#427 |
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put down your 'tude one second to try to understand |
puddycat |
Feb-27-05 03:04 PM |
#434 |
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Awwwwwwwww |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-27-05 03:47 PM |
#435 |
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You aren't the only one who's had to make these decisions |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 04:30 PM |
#383 |
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No! 5 hours is too short of time to decide... They pressured her... |
Chicago Democrat |
Feb-26-05 04:54 PM |
#389 |
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I've had to deal with this issue personaly several times |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 05:13 PM |
#390 |
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It's most definitely starving her body. |
BullGooseLoony |
Feb-26-05 04:37 PM |
#387 |
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There's a difference between "starving" |
OldLeftieLawyer |
Feb-26-05 05:24 PM |
#392 |
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Ahhh. I see. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Feb-26-05 07:05 PM |
#413 |
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So, if somebody has a baby, and doesn't feed it, that's not starving |
lizzy |
Feb-27-05 05:42 PM |
#438 |
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Cant believe you cant see the difference. |
moobu2 |
Feb-27-05 05:52 PM |
#440 |
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Didn't know she was anorexic |
Blaq Dem |
Feb-26-05 03:38 PM |
#377 |
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Your right about the eating disorder but she was Bulimic not anorexic |
moobu2 |
Feb-26-05 03:59 PM |
#379 |
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Feb-26-05 04:26 PM |
#382 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-26-05 04:32 PM |
#385 |
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Lies are everywhere |
Bariztr |
Feb-27-05 07:29 PM |
#442 |
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I am locking this thread as it has become remarkably unweildly... |
rasputin1952 |
Feb-27-05 08:43 PM |
#446 |
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