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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 12:30 PM
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59. The Protestants in Ulster did not absorb the local Irish culture
It was the English settlers in the other 3 Irish provinces that did. The Protestant Scots were intentionally planted by England in Ireland for the express purposes of creating an English colony. There is historical evidence of this. The Brits should bear the expense of uprooting them and transplanting them on English soil It was Britain that did it and Britain that should remedy the situation at their expense. The Irish natives did not invite the British to invade them nor the Protestant Scots to transplant them.

In regards to the North American Indigenous inhabitants and European settlers, the indigenous North Americans didn't originally oppose European settlers. Most of them would have willingly lived alongside European colonists, but like the Protestant Scots of Ireland, many of these European settlers didn't want to mingle with the "savages."

Those of us who are descendents of European settlers, whether our ancestors killed North American Indigenous inhabitants or not (mine had no direct contact with Indians), have paid reparations to many of the tribes that the US Government had treaties with, so in a sense, many of the Indians here finally got some justice, whereas, the native Irish of Northern Ireland are still waiting for it to come.

In Central and South America, the Spainsh either slaughtered the native populations to extinction or have mingled with the native population and formed a new race of mix bloods. There are pure bloods on both sides, but depending on which country, the mix race is larger that the pure bloods.

I don't have a problem with the descendents of colonists staying in the former colony, but the colonists need to be willing to work and share power with the descendents of natives. In South Africa, another former British colony, the colonists tried brutal apartheid but due to strong resistance from the native population and global boycott, the colonists gave into sharing power with the natives. If the Protestant Scots don't want to share power with the Catholics and remain obstructionist towards social justice for Catholics, then they should be removed. They are the alien culture, not the natives.
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