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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 09:36 AM
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26. Seeing as how I've been on DU since 2001...
... I think I know a bit about its premise. Democratic Underground is a place for Democrats and like-minded progressives....

Seeing as how we probably agree on about 90% or more of actual policy positions, I think that I would qualify for membership. But then again, I also long for the days when DU was not a Democratic Party echo chamber, but a place in which challenging the basic assumptions of the Democratic Party -- especially when they did not agree with progressive goals -- was a welcome thing.

Furthermore, are you a multi-millionaire? Do you regularly rub elbows with captains of industry and high finance? No? Neither do I. But Nancy Pelosi certainly fits all the above criteria, and I doubt that Harry Reid is far behind. Therefore, neither of them are really "my people", because they exist in a world that is completely different from that of the overwhelming majority of Americans.

Finally, the "clowns" remark was not directed at the reps in particular, but at the entire Beltway Democratic Establishment. And yes, I do consider using the same consultants who have proven nothing but their ability to consistently lose as worthy of being called "clowns". The fact that finally somebody stepped up and announced a stop to it does not change that assessment.
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  -Reid, Pelosi plan shake-up Rose Siding  Feb-16-05 09:04 AM   #0 
  - Ah, we need better bullshitters ... nt  bemildred   Feb-16-05 09:06 AM   #2 
  - Actually. Yes we do. (nt)  w4rma   Feb-16-05 09:41 AM   #30 
     - Perhaps, but I favor less bullshit myself. nt  bemildred   Feb-16-05 10:23 AM   #46 
        - It doesn't matter what "line" the Democratic leadership puts out there...  Peace Patriot   Feb-16-05 11:56 AM   #71 
  - Wow. What a novel f***ing concept.  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:07 AM   #3 
  - Why doesn't it surprise me that this good news would be greeted with...  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:09 AM   #6 
  - Really, Isn't this what everybody wanted? I think so.  Pirate Smile   Feb-16-05 09:11 AM   #7 
  - Apparently not everybody.  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:12 AM   #9 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-16-05 09:18 AM   #12 
        - Which would be?...  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:31 AM   #22 
           - That I didn't want to see a shakeup, that's what.  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:38 AM   #27 
  - What you mean, "our people"?  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:16 AM   #11 
     - They're Democrats. This is Democratic Underground. Now what was that...  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:30 AM   #21 
     - Seeing as how I've been on DU since 2001...  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:36 AM   #26 
     - I agree, as a liberal these democrats are going to have to work to get  VegasWolf   Feb-16-05 10:59 AM   #53 
     - Are you a like minded progressive?nt  spotbird   Feb-16-05 11:55 AM   #70 
        - Why don't you tell me? (n/t)  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 12:03 PM   #72 
        - I am a like-minded progressive liberal! n/t  VegasWolf   Feb-16-05 02:34 PM   #91 
     - Well, they're clowns to me as well - incompetant boobs actually.  TankLV   Feb-16-05 12:07 PM   #73 
        - FYI. DU has spell check.  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 02:23 PM   #89 
        - TankLV, I completely agree with your sentiment. How's the Rampart? n/t  VegasWolf   Feb-16-05 02:36 PM   #92 
     - By the way, that's the way RepubliCON corporatists operate.  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:34 AM   #24 
     - So are you calling me one, or just saying I have tendencies?  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:41 AM   #29 
     - I'm pointing out that, in your bitterness, you're saying things...  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:51 AM   #35 
        - Now, if you would've taken that line at the beginning...  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:55 AM   #36 
           - Well, if you would've taken this line from the beginning --  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 10:05 AM   #40 
           - By the way, I don't think we even disagree on that point.  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 11:25 AM   #59 
              - Good points.  Old and In the Way   Feb-16-05 02:47 PM   #93 
     - But you're the one who's attacking  CAcyclist   Feb-16-05 01:33 PM   #85 
        - My first post in response to IC was...  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 02:27 PM   #90 
     - I am starting to get it, we must all think with one brain on DU ..sort of  NVMojo   Feb-16-05 09:38 AM   #28 
        - Nah, I've gotten quite used to it.  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:43 AM   #32 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-16-05 09:43 AM   #33 
           - Calling the remarks...  silvermachine   Feb-16-05 10:23 AM   #47 
           - Which remarks?  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 10:36 AM   #52 
              - Maybe it's because you're the one makeing ridiculuous statements.  TankLV   Feb-16-05 12:12 PM   #76 
                 - I didn't ask you.  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 02:14 PM   #87 
           - "Clowns" is hate-filled language? Brother!  TankLV   Feb-16-05 12:11 PM   #75 
              - Why don't you share some of those choice words you have for Dems with us?  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 02:22 PM   #88 
  - Wow. Hire people who have actually worked on winning campaigns.  trof   Feb-16-05 09:20 AM   #13 
     - Yeah, my point exactly.  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:23 AM   #16 
  - This is AWESOME. Bye Bob Shrum!  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:07 AM   #4 
  - Joined.  calimary   Feb-16-05 09:23 AM   #15 
  - More proof of the Beltway "alternative universe"  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 09:26 AM   #18 
  - There is definitely a "fifth column"  carnie_sf   Feb-16-05 11:14 AM   #55 
     - I don't think that's really it at all.  IrateCitizen   Feb-16-05 11:38 AM   #65 
  - I hear ya. It's gonna be tough work turning around this frickin'...  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:57 AM   #37 
  - Exactly what I was thinking  lancdem   Feb-16-05 09:30 AM   #20 
  - yay!  shoelace414   Feb-16-05 09:08 AM   #5 
  - Now I'm starting to get impressed with Reid and Pelosi!  Walt Starr   Feb-16-05 09:11 AM   #8 
  - Good.  Alpharetta   Feb-16-05 09:16 AM   #10 
  - This is very good news  meganmonkey   Feb-16-05 09:21 AM   #14 
  - What we have to make sure to do is REINFORCE this.  calimary   Feb-16-05 09:25 AM   #17 
     - Kick!  Liberty Belle   Feb-16-05 09:31 AM   #23 
     - And that's MY point exactly.  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 09:36 AM   #25 
     - Ha-cha-cha!  calimary   Feb-16-05 10:15 AM   #44 
        - Hey everybody - pie at Mary's place!!!  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 10:24 AM   #48 
     - Supplements on the way!! =o)  Sugarbleus   Feb-16-05 03:54 PM   #97 
  - The Dean Revolution has finally knocked commonsense into  Larkspur   Feb-16-05 09:29 AM   #19 
  - We have to decide whether we're going to slam the for their pasts or  higher class   Feb-16-05 09:42 AM   #31 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Feb-16-05 09:43 AM   #34 
  - Two Words.  mzmolly   Feb-16-05 09:59 AM   #38 
  - Now that would be FANTASTIC!!  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 11:48 AM   #69 
     - Hey!  mzmolly   Feb-16-05 03:11 PM   #96 
  - Good...Keep It Simple Stupid, And Say Something  HereSince1628   Feb-16-05 10:03 AM   #39 
  - go for it  librechik   Feb-16-05 10:07 AM   #41 
  - Gillespie/Quinn losing clients? n/t  stillcool47   Feb-16-05 10:08 AM   #42 
  - something needs to be done bravo  Callboy   Feb-16-05 10:09 AM   #43 
  - Goodbye Brazile! Now you can go work for Karl Rove  Jack The Tab   Feb-16-05 10:15 AM   #45 
  - I COMPLETELY AGREE. She's the worst of the worst and will turn tide  AngryWhiteLiberal   Feb-16-05 11:02 AM   #54 
  - WORK for Rove?  BiggJawn   Feb-16-05 11:31 AM   #62 
  - Oh goodie  65 rambler lady   Feb-16-05 11:44 AM   #66 
  - I disagree - Donna will not pull a Zell - and she's effective as an  papau   Feb-16-05 11:44 AM   #67 
  - And Carville, and Begala.............  ClintonTyree   Feb-16-05 04:04 PM   #98 
  - What the Democratic Party REALLY needs...  mexicoxpat   Feb-16-05 10:27 AM   #49 
  - Mexicoxpat, I like your idea, The party needs to know that it has to  candy331   Feb-16-05 12:46 PM   #81 
  - They would give a wonderful fucking message if they would  merh   Feb-16-05 10:34 AM   #50 
  - 'bout @#$%&*#@ Time!!!!!  ewagner   Feb-16-05 10:35 AM   #51 
  - Donna Brazile  upperleftedge   Feb-16-05 11:23 AM   #58 
  - Does this mean they want to welcome anti=gay & anti-abortionists?  tedzbear   Feb-16-05 11:16 AM   #56 
  - Wow, what hat did you pull THAT out of??  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 11:28 AM   #61 
  - I like your retooling of the labels.  Old and In the Way   Feb-16-05 02:54 PM   #94 
  - LOL. anti-abortionists are anti-choicers (i.e. pro-lifers)  VegasWolf   Feb-16-05 11:34 AM   #63 
  - does this mean Pelosi will not carry the message?  grasswire   Feb-16-05 11:22 AM   #57 
  - There was an ad on AAR  REDSTATELIBERAL   Feb-16-05 11:28 AM   #60 
  - Good for you. WE are the party.  ClassWarrior   Feb-16-05 11:37 AM   #64 
  - Its about time. Fresh ideas are definitely needed.  UCLA Dem   Feb-16-05 11:45 AM   #68 
  - Hallelujah.  aquart   Feb-16-05 12:11 PM   #74 
  - before Reid gets "New Talent" to shape the message  welshTerrier2   Feb-16-05 12:17 PM   #77 
  - This IS great news. The latest of a few good ones lately.  TankLV   Feb-16-05 12:21 PM   #78 
  - Add Begala to the list and while they are at it stick a fork in Carville  candy331   Feb-16-05 12:31 PM   #79 
  - bye bye Crossfire boys!  Cocoa   Feb-16-05 12:47 PM   #82 
  - Brightening up the packaging won't help...  bvar22   Feb-16-05 12:44 PM   #80 
  - Great!  Upfront   Feb-16-05 12:49 PM   #83 
  - Merely bringing in new consultants  CAcyclist   Feb-16-05 01:28 PM   #84 
  - PUT BOXER and CONYERS IN CHARGE! n/t  drummer55   Feb-16-05 01:34 PM   #86 
  - Hide Lieberman in a closet  lebkuchen   Feb-16-05 02:57 PM   #95 
  - Reid, Pelosi plan shake-up (of consultants)  Dickie Flatt   Feb-16-05 05:53 PM   #99 
  - God bless you Howard Dean  sasquatch   Dec-31-69 05:59 PM   # 
  - Jesus Christ it's about time  BayCityProgressive   Dec-31-69 05:59 PM   #1 
  - About damn time  AnneD   Feb-17-05 07:30 AM   #100 
  - And people say the base doesn't have any effect on our leadership...  BullGooseLoony   Feb-17-05 08:18 AM   #101 

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