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Zhade

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Mon Feb-14-05 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #152

158. Most of us, hopefully...

...will never fully understand religious views like Falwell's. Their version of the Christian faith is the kind where 9/11 could be attributed to gays and lesbians, the ACLU, et al.

How far away from a group's shared beliefs does a member have to go before he starts tarnishing the reputation of the group and by extension its beliefs?

When it crosses the line in the secular world and threatens the social contract, it is no longer acceptable, and Christians would be well-advised to distance themselves from the likes of Falwell and Eric "I love bombing abortion clinics" Rudolph, lest they be seen as endorsing those views.

Yes, the outsider must understand most Christians don't share those views, but there is a rift in that faith, and Christians owe it to themselves to not allow their faith to be destroyed from within and hated from without.

Even as an atheist, I can appreciate the sentiment of "Jesus wept" when I think about the Falwells of the world squeezing out those who truly follow the words of Christ.

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-Evangelicals feel they're misunderstood (AP)	wildflower	Feb-12-05 02:22 PM	#0
- I have noted the difference between fundamentalists and	murielm99	Feb-12-05 02:24 PM	#1
- Which ones are preferable?	coloradodem2005	Feb-12-05 02:33 PM	#7
- Evangelicals are. Evangelicals can be of any political persuasion.	w4rma	Feb-12-05 05:37 PM	#59
- Can someone explain this in finer detail to me. Falwell, et al, claim	VegasWolf	Feb-13-05 01:25 PM	#129
- There are many differences, actually	knitter4democracy	Feb-14-05 07:47 PM	#187
- Neither!	aikido15	Feb-14-05 11:43 AM	#174
- it is not well received for this reason	amazona	Feb-12-05 05:58 PM	#64
- You "proselytize" Democratic policy and the Democratic Party, I hope	w4rma	Feb-12-05 06:36 PM	#71
- It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion of religion on DU.	QC	Feb-12-05 06:36 PM	#70
- Not true. You should try to have an intelligent discussion, first. (nt)	w4rma	Feb-12-05 06:38 PM	#72
- Intelligent discussions on any topic have been hard to come by	QC	Feb-12-05 07:02 PM	#73
- That's two posts that you could have used to write about this topic with.	w4rma	Feb-12-05 08:28 PM	#81
- And that's two posts you have used to quibble with me.	QC	Feb-12-05 10:26 PM	#83
- I'm afraid you are correct	Old Mouse	Feb-13-05 03:35 AM	#113
- Keep trying, I say.	Maat	Feb-13-05 07:07 PM	#139
- It is not impossible	gorbal	Feb-14-05 09:18 AM	#170
- Can I take a crack at it?	TrogL	Feb-14-05 05:42 PM	#184
- If they're concerned with being misunderstood	Spiffarino	Feb-12-05 02:26 PM	#2
- ...then they should do something	Freedom_from_Chains	Feb-12-05 02:43 PM	#16
- I whole heartedly agree	Stepup2	Feb-12-05 05:50 PM	#60
- "You'd think they would be mad as hell by now."	wildeyed	Feb-12-05 07:41 PM	#77
- Those evangelicals should be proud. Good for them.	Zhade	Feb-14-05 01:56 AM	#154
- I couldn't agree more!	AuntiBush	Feb-12-05 10:31 PM	#84
- why should they justify or defend their religion to you?	Old Mouse	Feb-13-05 03:39 AM	#114
- Isn't that exactly what they're attempting to do?	livinginphotographs	Feb-13-05 09:25 AM	#120
- no, they seek UNDERSTANDING	Old Mouse	Feb-13-05 12:26 PM	#123
- It's the same thing.	livinginphotographs	Feb-13-05 01:22 PM	#127
- But you ARE asking	Old Mouse	Feb-14-05 01:26 AM	#152
- Most of us, hopefully...	Zhade	Feb-14-05 02:12 AM	#158
- Should Muslims speak out against terrorists and fundamentalist Muslims?	Zhade	Feb-14-05 02:00 AM	#155
- No	Old Mouse	Feb-14-05 01:57 PM	#180
- No, because I clearly know the difference.	Zhade	Feb-14-05 03:17 PM	#181
- Sorry, I saw this post first. I did not mean to ignore	Old Mouse	Feb-14-05 04:58 PM	#183
- No, you don't understand. I am NOT pushing guilt by association.	Zhade	Feb-14-05 06:46 PM	#186
- but that's the same thing	Old Mouse	Feb-15-05 12:15 AM	#188
- What you refuse to see is that I'm making no demands, period.	Zhade	Feb-15-05 05:21 PM	#189
- The part on Falwell and the "Moral Majority" is interesting...	wildflower	Feb-12-05 02:48 PM	#20
- This may be a hopeful sign	Spiffarino	Feb-12-05 03:12 PM	#32
- Exactly; I think this is a very good sign for the Democratic party.	wildflower	Feb-12-05 03:59 PM	#41
- Most evangelicals are	JDPriestly	Feb-12-05 07:09 PM	#74
- Giving the Word and growing	oneold1-4u	Feb-12-05 11:27 PM	#93
- Great comments on this subject Spiffarino!	Old and In the Way	Feb-12-05 10:39 PM	#85
- Thanks	Spiffarino	Feb-13-05 01:00 AM	#103
- Exactly..	sendero	Feb-12-05 07:35 PM	#76
- i denounce the hell out of them	realisticphish	Feb-13-05 01:36 AM	#109
- I'm not talking about you...	sendero	Feb-13-05 08:10 AM	#116
- i understand	realisticphish	Feb-13-05 05:05 PM	#135
- See post #158, I'm with you on this one!	Zhade	Feb-14-05 03:20 PM	#182
- They are; and pretty assertively, now.	blondeatlast	Feb-13-05 08:05 AM	#115
- Totally agree	PaDem	Feb-13-05 08:24 AM	#117
- It's fairly difficult when they don't have access to the media	fishwax	Feb-13-05 10:52 AM	#121
- Sorry, I can't concentrate on your post,	tinfoilinfor2005	Feb-13-05 08:37 PM	#143
- There is no difference...	pfitz59	Feb-12-05 02:28 PM	#3
- All of them are in it for the money	The Zanti Regent	Feb-12-05 03:59 PM	#40
- TV evangelists-evangelicals	oneold1-4u	Feb-12-05 11:43 PM	#98
- Thanks for that.	Gyre	Feb-12-05 02:30 PM	#4
- Evangelical = evangelize.	cornermouse	Feb-12-05 02:31 PM	#5
- Just a half-nelson; that's not intrusive	PurityOfEssence	Feb-12-05 02:40 PM	#12
- Good points.	Ladyhawk	Feb-12-05 11:31 PM	#94
- I've had that same experience recently	Jamastiene	Feb-14-05 06:07 AM	#163
- Here's what you do	JNelson6563	Feb-14-05 06:46 AM	#164
- Thanks	Jamastiene	Feb-14-05 06:56 AM	#165
- It's too late to dress the swine in perfumed clothes...	AngryWhiteLiberal	Feb-12-05 02:33 PM	#6
- They're All Pretty Much In Favor Of (Or Silently Consent To)	arwalden	Feb-12-05 02:33 PM	#8
- You got it. To me, fundamentalists = evangelicals = narrow minds	AlinPA	Feb-12-05 05:08 PM	#53
- Good point, arwalden. They DO hate gay people.	Ladyhawk	Feb-12-05 11:37 PM	#97
- By believing that "all faiths are not equal"	deadparrot	Feb-12-05 02:34 PM	#9
- Do you really think all philosophies and faiths are equal?	dmordue	Feb-12-05 02:50 PM	#21
- I don't believe that any one faith	deadparrot	Feb-12-05 02:59 PM	#25
- I can see why an attitude of "Divine proof" would be annoying.	dmordue	Feb-12-05 03:04 PM	#29
- Of course.	deadparrot	Feb-12-05 03:11 PM	#30
- I agree. Thanks for the discussion.	dmordue	Feb-12-05 03:13 PM	#33
- Isn't that the nature of life?	Old and In the Way	Feb-12-05 10:57 PM	#88
- If yer not a christ-ian you go to hell when you die - end of story.....	msongs	Feb-12-05 02:36 PM	#10
- Hitler wasn't a Christian.	coloradodem2005	Feb-12-05 02:41 PM	#13
- He was a good Christian boy. Just a little misunderstood.	Tom Yossarian Joad	Feb-12-05 02:47 PM	#19
- He was?	coloradodem2005	Feb-12-05 03:00 PM	#26
- Hitler was a Catholic until the day he died...	Tom Yossarian Joad	Feb-12-05 03:26 PM	#34
- Exactly, read The Popes Against the Jews: The Vatican's	VegasWolf	Feb-12-05 03:49 PM	#39
- Yeah, we Catholics just don't know how to ask questions.	DemBones DemBones	Feb-14-05 02:22 AM	#160
- We ex-Catholics do know how to question dogma. n/t	VegasWolf	Feb-14-05 11:41 AM	#173
- Lol!	Megahurtz	Feb-14-05 05:52 PM	#185
- I LOVE your W the whore avatar	Carni	Feb-12-05 06:04 PM	#67
- Jehovah's Witness were persecuted	amazona	Feb-12-05 06:01 PM	#65
- Some Catholics were persecuted. nt	DemBones DemBones	Feb-14-05 02:21 AM	#159
- He was a Christian like Bush is a Christian.	leesa	Feb-12-05 10:42 PM	#86
- Rabbi and Fundie Minister	HockeyMom	Feb-12-05 03:01 PM	#28
- Thats painting a rather broad brush, there....	CAG	Feb-12-05 04:51 PM	#49
- Religion has been the source of a lot of wars and needless deaths.	Old and In the Way	Feb-12-05 11:07 PM	#90
- I'm neither religious or spiritual, I'm a scientist and I see little	VegasWolf	Feb-13-05 01:17 PM	#126
- Of course there's a difference. Man is the only animal......	reprobate	Feb-13-05 11:36 PM	#149
- Those, poor, powerful Fundies...	Dr Fate	Feb-12-05 02:36 PM	#11
- Evangelicals are not necessarily Fundamentalists.	DemBones DemBones	Feb-14-05 02:25 AM	#161
- For example	Northern Perspective	Feb-12-05 02:42 PM	#14
- evangelical`s would be and probably are	madrchsod	Feb-12-05 02:43 PM	#15
- I know a fair number of evangelical progressives including me.	dmordue	Feb-12-05 02:45 PM	#17
- Good points. To me, fundamentalist=rigid and dogmatic.	wildflower	Feb-12-05 04:03 PM	#43
- "biblically based ethic"	Redstone	Feb-12-05 02:46 PM	#18
- Proof that they just don't get it	lwfern	Feb-12-05 02:54 PM	#22
- The problem is evangelicals like Americans is a broad designation.	dmordue	Feb-12-05 02:59 PM	#24
- Possibly so	lwfern	Feb-12-05 03:00 PM	#27
- Substitute The Word "Secular" For "Materialistic" & You Describe	cryingshame	Feb-12-05 03:11 PM	#31
- It's not even materialism it's	readmoreoften	Feb-13-05 01:21 AM	#106
- The difference between evangelists and fundamentalists	LastLiberal in PalmSprings	Feb-12-05 02:58 PM	#23
- Another difference...	Redstone	Feb-12-05 03:30 PM	#35
- LOL......	Old and In the Way	Feb-12-05 11:12 PM	#91
- they have only themselves to blame. its interesting that they are	roguevalley	Feb-12-05 03:32 PM	#36
- "Christians can be respectful of other religions ." Unuh, what about sane	VegasWolf	Feb-12-05 03:33 PM	#37
- Another great showing by several people in this thread...	CAG	Feb-12-05 04:58 PM	#51
- lol!	Pastiche423	Feb-12-05 05:35 PM	#58
- While your telling me what I need to do, let me suggest....	CAG	Feb-12-05 10:59 PM	#89
- Oh many of us have a clue, that is why we don't buy into superstitious	VegasWolf	Feb-12-05 06:04 PM	#66
- Clue..	CAG	Feb-12-05 10:46 PM	#87
- Where's the christian left?	Old and In the Way	Feb-12-05 11:21 PM	#92
- Couldn't agree with you more...most of us on the christian left....	CAG	Feb-12-05 11:46 PM	#99
- I agree.	Old and In the Way	Feb-13-05 12:07 AM	#101
- Not that hard to find.	Raskolnik	Feb-13-05 06:23 PM	#136
- Hey, it is the christian right that gets so much of the news that they	VegasWolf	Feb-13-05 01:02 PM	#124
- no thank you...we understand you enough...	LinuxInsurgent	Feb-12-05 03:35 PM	#38
- How about good muslims and bad muslims?	dmordue	Feb-12-05 04:00 PM	#42
- I've known Evangelicals all my life	donheld	Feb-12-05 04:07 PM	#44
- whatever	Solly Mack	Feb-12-05 04:18 PM	#45
- The message is that we should fight the ideas not the people.	Ranec	Feb-12-05 04:27 PM	#46
- Poor widdle evangicals	toddaa	Feb-12-05 04:45 PM	#47
- Thank You!!! That's how I feel exactly!!!	pacoyogi	Feb-12-05 04:53 PM	#50
- Maybe we should single you out and say "It's not our problem"	brentspeak	Feb-12-05 05:23 PM	#56
- I'm not a Christian, it's not my mess.	toddaa	Feb-12-05 05:50 PM	#61
- Well, as long as you speak for just yourself, I won't gainsay your opinion	brentspeak	Feb-12-05 05:56 PM	#62
- You speak for this heathen also. n/t	VegasWolf	Feb-13-05 01:43 PM	#130
- It's all of our mess	SomewhereOutThere424	Feb-13-05 03:05 PM	#134
- that about sums up how I feel too	readmoreoften	Feb-13-05 01:26 AM	#107
- misunderstood	wildmanj	Feb-12-05 04:50 PM	#48
- Boo fucking hoo!	Swamp Rat	Feb-12-05 05:07 PM	#52
- Yep, I agree 100% swamp rat	Jose Diablo	Feb-12-05 05:17 PM	#54
- Poor, Poor oppressed religious bigoted zealots.	Cobalt Violet	Feb-14-05 08:33 AM	#169
- "Membership in conservative evangelical churches explodes."	GOPBasher	Feb-12-05 05:19 PM	#55
- Everyone should fear Jihadists/Fundamentalists of any religion.	98geoduck	Feb-12-05 05:28 PM	#57
- you know what?	amazona	Feb-12-05 05:56 PM	#63
- Exactly well said !	sffreeways	Feb-13-05 03:11 AM	#110
- Don't let your guard down. Religious people cause the most suffering and	Mountainman	Feb-12-05 06:10 PM	#68
- I think U.S Fundamentalists should fight	gizmo1979	Feb-12-05 06:36 PM	#69
- Religion is often used for tyrany .	Disturbed	Feb-12-05 07:42 PM	#78
- Hahahaha! Thanks for the gut laugh	nothingshocksmeanymore	Feb-12-05 08:26 PM	#80
- I like that idea.	livinginphotographs	Feb-13-05 09:18 AM	#119
- Aren't Dobson, Falwell, Roberts et al evangelicals? They are getting	VegasWolf	Feb-12-05 07:25 PM	#75
- They call themselves evangelicals but	intheflow	Feb-12-05 10:11 PM	#82
- Out of curiousity, why then are you in a seminary? The distinction	VegasWolf	Feb-13-05 01:12 PM	#125
- Merriam-Webster definitions and why I'm in seminary.	intheflow	Feb-13-05 08:26 PM	#142
- Good response! There are atheists that also do good works. I	VegasWolf	Feb-13-05 08:54 PM	#145
- Cheers to the Atheists!	intheflow	Feb-13-05 09:27 PM	#147
- Some Fundamentalists just want to be left alone.	Bridget Burke	Feb-14-05 07:35 AM	#167
- There is an obvious lie in this article.	American Tragedy	Feb-12-05 08:09 PM	#79
- That's the problem in a nutshell.	Old and In the Way	Feb-12-05 11:33 PM	#95
- Look	The Blue Knight	Feb-12-05 11:34 PM	#96
- Actually, I agree. I merely object to this particular individual	American Tragedy	Feb-13-05 12:01 AM	#100
- Same problem for us.	Old and In the Way	Feb-13-05 12:17 AM	#102
- Okay from now on my posts will look like this	readmoreoften	Feb-13-05 01:34 AM	#108
- Fundamentalists are bad but...	readmoreoften	Feb-13-05 01:17 AM	#104
- Did Martin Luther King Jr. want to "export hate"?	Raskolnik	Feb-13-05 08:39 PM	#144
- Oh come on.... we're not talking about MLK here.	readmoreoften	Feb-14-05 03:00 AM	#162
- You're not talking about people like MLK because they don't fit...	Raskolnik	Feb-14-05 12:13 PM	#178
- .	PROGRESSIVE1	Feb-13-05 01:19 AM	#105
- Then they'd BY GOD better do a better job of differentiating themselves.	dbaker41	Feb-13-05 03:20 AM	#111
- Evangelicals are PRO-teaching "religion" in public schools	Kinkistyle	Feb-13-05 03:31 AM	#112
- They control the fucking government, and they think they're misunderstood?	Stop_the_War	Feb-13-05 08:31 AM	#118
- The Puritans felt they were misunderstood, too. n/t	No Exit	Feb-13-05 11:58 AM	#122
- Evangelical	Sgent	Feb-13-05 01:24 PM	#128
- Thanks for the info... btw, I admired the recent courage of the	No Exit	Feb-13-05 07:52 PM	#140
- By forcing Jesus down the throat of Seiks or Muslims you create	applegrove	Feb-13-05 01:53 PM	#131
- New Bumper Sticker: Religion Is A Very, Very, Personal Thing	applegrove	Feb-13-05 01:54 PM	#132
- Gee, I wonder...	SomewhereOutThere424	Feb-13-05 02:44 PM	#133
- Evangelism does not equal Fundamentalism	Raskolnik	Feb-13-05 06:29 PM	#137
- So, all fundamentalists are evangelicals, but not all evangelicals	VegasWolf	Feb-13-05 07:06 PM	#138
- Not necessarily.	Raskolnik	Feb-13-05 07:57 PM	#141
- Gotcha! n/t	VegasWolf	Feb-13-05 09:00 PM	#146
- Huh, funny, Kerry is insane?	davidthegnome	Feb-13-05 09:53 PM	#148
- I think you have misplaced your post as well as your anger. I	VegasWolf	Feb-14-05 12:23 AM	#151
- Here we go again.	bushwentawol	Feb-14-05 12:15 AM	#150
- I am sorry for your situation	Old Mouse	Feb-14-05 01:33 AM	#153
- Actually, I think you a tarred with the brush of bush, ashcroft, falwell,	VegasWolf	Feb-14-05 02:08 AM	#157
- They are but a small group	bushwentawol	Feb-14-05 11:18 AM	#171
- poor babies.	rodeodance	Feb-14-05 02:00 AM	#156
- Deleted message	Name removed	Feb-14-05 07:08 AM	#166
- FOR BOG'S SAKE, CAN'T WE GET OVER THIS GARBAGE????	Tyler Durden	Feb-14-05 07:48 AM	#168
- Every fundamental denomination	Sgent	Feb-14-05 11:37 AM	#172
- They can split hairs all they want...	aikido15	Feb-14-05 11:52 AM	#175
- So do most celebrities.	applegrove	Feb-14-05 11:56 AM	#176
- So do most liberals, these days...	aikido15	Feb-14-05 11:58 AM	#177
- Of course we don't know each other - we have all been stereotypes for the	applegrove	Feb-14-05 12:17 PM	#179

Reply #158: Most of us, hopefully... [View All]