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Thu Feb-03-05 07:11 PM
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| 75. A rate of return of 4.6% above inflation, eh? |
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Amazing, when one considers that the Dow Jones Industrials are about the same as they were 5 years ago. And the NASDAQ index is less the one-half of its 5000+ level 5 years ago.
In the stock market, the past is not predictive of the future.
But, we probably have 4 more years of Bush to survive.
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| -Wash Post has updated the SS story for a (BIG) correction |
coda |
Feb-03-05 01:34 PM |
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Oh, I already emailed it |
hiley |
Feb-03-05 01:41 PM |
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Considering our national debt |
shadowknows69 |
Feb-03-05 01:43 PM |
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No...they will be worth more! |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 01:45 PM |
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Those higher interest rates will also effect things like mortgages |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-03-05 01:58 PM |
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Look at the example...NOWHERE do they factor in inflation |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:19 PM |
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Pay now...Pay later |
reallygone |
Feb-04-05 08:51 AM |
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Well, if Bush hadn't emptied the Treasury with those irresponsible taxcuts |
Old and In the Way |
Feb-05-05 11:33 AM |
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But they will never pay off on those bonds... |
rfranklin |
Feb-03-05 02:10 PM |
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Uh, you need to study some more. |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:24 PM |
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thanks for the info |
shadowknows69 |
Feb-03-05 02:48 PM |
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That's what Bush is counting on, these factors: |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:59 PM |
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where and how is the best way to understand the Social Security issue? |
SemperEadem |
Feb-04-05 12:05 AM |
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The current system is easy to understand? |
KajaC |
Feb-04-05 06:04 PM |
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Risk of default |
TexasLawyer |
Feb-03-05 05:10 PM |
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yes |
abandon_ship |
Feb-03-05 07:42 PM |
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And tell me please, what happens.... |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 01:50 PM |
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No that part changed. |
Skinner |
Feb-03-05 01:55 PM |
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Mystifying |
Jacobin |
Feb-03-05 02:15 PM |
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Sounds like a WH phone call across town was made |
SemperEadem |
Feb-04-05 12:09 AM |
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Yep.....Here it is: |
JohnnyRingo |
Feb-04-05 04:12 AM |
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I'm afraid they were being clear the first time |
bloom |
Feb-03-05 02:56 PM |
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Fact is, we WON'T know what we may end up with... |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 03:00 PM |
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I think someone wanted "government would keep" taken out |
daleo |
Feb-03-05 04:00 PM |
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Me neither. I'll have to wait for Krugman to explain it. |
King Coal |
Feb-03-05 05:00 PM |
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A rate of return of 4.6% above inflation, eh? |
nodictators |
Feb-03-05 07:11 PM |
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I think WP made several errors. |
Festivito |
Feb-04-05 02:08 AM |
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As Krugman points out, the arithmetic doesn't work |
geniph |
Feb-04-05 01:11 PM |
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An Overview of Issues Raised by the Administration's Social Security Plan |
LiberalFighter |
Feb-05-05 12:07 PM |
#127 |
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Trying to grasp the complexities |
blueinOmaha |
Feb-05-05 06:33 PM |
#128 |
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never mind |
abandon_ship |
Feb-03-05 07:42 PM |
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e-mail this too |
radfringe |
Feb-04-05 03:24 AM |
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hey thanks for |
hiley |
Feb-04-05 05:45 PM |
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And if inflation grows over that forty year period? |
Toots |
Feb-04-05 08:12 AM |
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How to compound an error |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 01:43 PM |
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I am a total financial dummy but I darn sure followed you! |
Jazzgirl |
Feb-03-05 03:07 PM |
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And that 3% return will rise... |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 03:48 PM |
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"The mechanism, detailed by a senior administration ... |
jayfish |
Feb-03-05 01:45 PM |
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I'm confused. |
Tyrone Slothrop |
Feb-03-05 01:45 PM |
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Here is what you need to know: YOU LOSE! |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:01 PM |
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No. It's 4% real growth, beyond inflation. |
Flint-oid |
Feb-03-05 03:47 PM |
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Beautiful! I don't see that, but let's use it... |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 03:54 PM |
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That's why they're in a hurry......................... |
ClintonTyree |
Feb-03-05 05:17 PM |
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Sorry |
Nederland |
Feb-04-05 11:04 AM |
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Hmm. I'm trying to figure this out. |
Skinner |
Feb-03-05 01:51 PM |
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Sounds like you figured it out |
shrike |
Feb-03-05 02:01 PM |
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EXACTLY! |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:17 PM |
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Well, Bush wouldn't tell them the specifics of his scheme. |
King Coal |
Feb-03-05 05:14 PM |
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Don't forget the concommittant rise in state and local taxes |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-03-05 08:04 PM |
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I think the only reason to do it would be if ... |
V Lee |
Feb-03-05 04:38 PM |
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As I understand it, there is a penalty for 'doing well' |
shrike |
Feb-04-05 12:57 PM |
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There are 2 components -- your account actual & account surplus above 3% |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-03-05 02:03 PM |
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That's how I'm reading it too... |
Spazito |
Feb-03-05 02:07 PM |
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The relevent paragraphs: |
Zynx |
Feb-03-05 02:10 PM |
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the Govt is trying to move the "entitlements" off "thier books" and on |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-03-05 02:13 PM |
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Not To Mention They Are Not Even Touching THE FEES TO THE MIDDLEMEN!!! |
Beetwasher |
Feb-03-05 02:13 PM |
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You forgot the biggest risk! |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:45 PM |
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Just remember that... |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:11 PM |
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it's a "fix" for the govt. by reducing soc sec obligations |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-03-05 02:20 PM |
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HAHAHAHA! If you call adding $2 TRILLION to the debt a FIX! |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:27 PM |
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And it doesn't start until 2009 |
KayLaw |
Feb-03-05 02:25 PM |
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clearly... you must hate "freedom and america".... those promises |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-03-05 02:30 PM |
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You have that part, but the BOMB is in the "required annuity" imho. |
TahitiNut |
Feb-03-05 02:39 PM |
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it appears it's a "life payout annuity" which means when you pass |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-03-05 02:45 PM |
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I Think the Confusion Has to Do with the $78,000 |
ribofunk |
Feb-03-05 03:21 PM |
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Skinner they both say the same thing-2nd one is SPIN |
underpants |
Feb-03-05 03:37 PM |
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Here's the strategy...confuse everyone on the details so slogans remain |
AngryWhiteLiberal |
Feb-03-05 02:24 PM |
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AWD, very succintly put. That is all of their strategies in a nutshell. |
catzies |
Feb-03-05 11:52 PM |
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if these ideas are so great why not invest in them now??? |
gasperc |
Feb-03-05 02:26 PM |
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Uh, euthanasia? n/t |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:51 PM |
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I fail to see how any of this |
olafvikingr |
Feb-03-05 02:37 PM |
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it essentially removes (over time) Govt Soc Sec obligations over time |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-03-05 02:41 PM |
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You bring up a point ill-explained so far... |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 02:56 PM |
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Thanks for posting... |
REACTIVATED IN CT |
Feb-03-05 02:57 PM |
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Post is Right Slanted |
Beetwasher |
Feb-03-05 02:59 PM |
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I would disagree about the Post. |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 03:07 PM |
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last night's TV polls showed support for this ridiculous plan |
REACTIVATED IN CT |
Feb-03-05 03:09 PM |
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...and still our Democratic "leaders" twiddle their thumbs. n/t |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 03:12 PM |
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If a tree falls in the forest, and the media don't report it, then ... |
TahitiNut |
Feb-03-05 05:10 PM |
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Sorry, But That's The PAPERS Fault and DOES Mean They Give |
Beetwasher |
Feb-03-05 03:16 PM |
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It's our fault for not getting out there with our message early! |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 03:45 PM |
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What A Load Of Crap |
Beetwasher |
Feb-03-05 03:52 PM |
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Yes, naive. |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 04:11 PM |
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LOL!! |
Beetwasher |
Feb-03-05 04:16 PM |
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dammit. |
spacedog |
Feb-03-05 03:09 PM |
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welcome to DU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
spooked911 |
Feb-03-05 06:16 PM |
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interview |
spacedog |
Feb-04-05 08:18 AM |
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SEVEN SOCIAL SECURITY MYTHS |
jswordy |
Feb-03-05 03:15 PM |
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totally stupid article |
mulethree |
Feb-03-05 04:30 PM |
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Why did I immediately think of the Dan Rather TANG letters when |
rzemanfl |
Feb-03-05 05:01 PM |
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Does anyone really know the truth? |
Megahurtz |
Feb-03-05 05:02 PM |
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STOP AND THINK - B** doesn't give a flying f... about the lowly |
Laura PackYourBags |
Feb-03-05 05:03 PM |
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Kick, |
Megahurtz |
Feb-03-05 05:14 PM |
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Yup, tried to tell this to my co-worker today |
TexasBushwhacker |
Feb-03-05 08:34 PM |
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reid says no democrat will support SS privatization |
ast_liberal2008 |
Feb-03-05 05:18 PM |
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They better f%$#ing not. In fact, why should the repubs? |
spooked911 |
Feb-03-05 06:19 PM |
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? |
abandon_ship |
Feb-03-05 07:39 PM |
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There was a great article in Dollars and Sense magazine |
CAcyclist |
Feb-03-05 06:15 PM |
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kick |
cosmicdot |
Feb-03-05 07:56 PM |
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For those here who are too young to remember..... |
llmart |
Feb-03-05 08:49 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-03-05 09:42 PM |
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first off, I'd like to welcome Villanova |
El Biggo Doggo |
Feb-03-05 11:20 PM |
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well, it's been an hour |
El Biggo Doggo |
Feb-04-05 12:19 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-04-05 06:26 AM |
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We object, at least in part, because the private accounts |
Colorado Blue |
Feb-04-05 12:22 PM |
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What A Load Of Crap |
Beetwasher |
Feb-04-05 01:09 PM |
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That's what IRAs, 401(k)s, Keoghs, and SEPs are for, not FICA |
despairing optimist |
Feb-04-05 12:04 AM |
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There's another point to the argument - |
Colorado Blue |
Feb-04-05 01:57 AM |
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Hey, America in the past four years....... |
llmart |
Feb-04-05 05:31 AM |
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I think you may've nailed it: "Are businesses so starved for investors |
glitch |
Feb-04-05 12:08 PM |
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Thanks for adding to my comment |
despairing optimist |
Feb-04-05 05:52 PM |
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The truth is out there and found at factcheck.org |
Whoa_Nelly |
Feb-04-05 01:45 AM |
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Right on. Now what do we do about it? |
Colorado Blue |
Feb-04-05 02:00 AM |
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What can be done? |
Whoa_Nelly |
Feb-04-05 02:17 AM |
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I read a "Letter to the Editor" in the NY Times this am - |
Colorado Blue |
Feb-04-05 12:29 PM |
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Excellent analysis from Fact Check now I think I understand. |
bklyncowgirl |
Feb-04-05 06:10 AM |
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Apparently, the White House is responsible for the revision: |
JohnnyRingo |
Feb-04-05 04:09 AM |
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And since the money for these will be borrowed at 3% |
markus |
Feb-04-05 05:57 AM |
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If there's a way to cash out tax-free, I'm doing that when I'm |
DS1 |
Feb-04-05 08:22 AM |
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Hey! Here's the article I'm interviewed in! |
spacedog |
Feb-04-05 08:41 AM |
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very cool...some smart group of "youth"....congrats! |
realFedUp |
Feb-04-05 11:21 AM |
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why thank you! (n/t) |
spacedog |
Feb-04-05 01:53 PM |
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What's the difference? Either they deduct it from yr benefits, or yr acct |
Stephanie |
Feb-04-05 12:11 PM |
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What happened... |
adam29 |
Feb-04-05 02:04 PM |
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I don't totally disagree... |
spacedog |
Feb-04-05 02:36 PM |
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reply and thoughts for modifications of Bush plan |
adam29 |
Feb-04-05 04:39 PM |
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agree |
spacedog |
Feb-05-05 08:56 AM |
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In the Post's example, |
seventythree |
Feb-06-05 12:41 AM |
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AAR yesterday crunched numbers at $187,000 loss to participants. n/t |
lonestarnot |
Feb-05-05 09:24 AM |
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oopsie, you mean we can't just publish what Bush tells us??!! |
nashville_brook |
Feb-05-05 12:05 PM |
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I never seem to hear the obvious problem with this... |
m_welby |
Feb-05-05 06:44 PM |
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annuity? |
spacedog |
Feb-06-05 09:56 AM |
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survivor benefits |
adam29 |
Feb-06-05 10:21 AM |
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Annuities |
adam29 |
Feb-06-05 10:03 AM |
#132 |
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