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176. If it's a "right to work" state, then probably.
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  - Is This Legal??  CO Liberal   Jan-24-05 07:43 PM   #1 
  - I guess it could fall under drug policy..  indianablue   Jan-24-05 07:44 PM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-24-05 08:27 PM   #19 
  - union slugs?  ldf   Jan-25-05 10:13 AM   #64 
  - if it weren't for unions  RogueTrooper   Jan-25-05 10:25 AM   #73 
  - Adios  saigon68   Feb-01-05 11:29 PM   #220 
  - If it's a "right to work" state, then probably.  HuckleB   Jan-27-05 02:55 PM   #176 
  - We are a 'right to work' state here in CO  serryjw   Jan-31-05 11:42 PM   #214 
  - Oh, geez. I can see where this is headed. What about if you are  Pirate Smile   Jan-24-05 07:45 PM   #3 
  - reaguns FIRED Federal employees with diabetes, claiming that  diamond14   Jan-24-05 08:36 PM   #21 
  - good post  superconnected   Jan-24-05 09:29 PM   #30 
  - Smeagol?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jan-24-05 10:02 PM   #33 
  - Good post, agree  mogster   Jan-25-05 10:15 AM   #65 
  - I've never heard this, do you have a link??? n/t  Red State Rebel   Jan-25-05 10:15 AM   #66 
  - I didn't know this!  FizzFuzz   Jan-25-05 10:52 AM   #83 
  - excellent point, beside that, who is perfectly healthy and expects to  barb162   Jan-25-05 05:12 PM   #118 
  - I think this is different  Rockerdem   Jan-25-05 10:41 AM   #77 
  - No, I sure as hell don't want to subsidize his habit -  lynne   Jan-25-05 11:57 AM   #100 
  - What about a person with disabilities?  me b zola   Jan-25-05 08:26 PM   #136 
  - Speeders and some drinkers DO pay higher insurance when nabbed  Rockerdem   Jan-25-05 08:33 PM   #138 
  - Well lynne if you let them determine who they can and can't ostracize  Acryliccalico   Jan-26-05 12:33 AM   #161 
     - That is exactly my point -  lynne   Feb-01-05 11:53 PM   #222 
  - I think you missed the point...  vduhr   Jan-25-05 03:56 PM   #115 
  - I don't believe that they will stop at 'preventable' behavior.  me b zola   Jan-25-05 08:19 PM   #134 
  - Thank you!  AuntiBush   Jan-26-05 01:52 AM   #162 
  - I can't say it often enough.  pokercat999   Feb-02-05 01:09 PM   #230 
  - This has already happened here in WA State n/t  merwin   Jan-24-05 07:46 PM   #4 
  - Where? n/t  uppityperson   Jan-24-05 07:48 PM   #9 
     - Some medical offices in the seattle area.  merwin   Jan-24-05 07:54 PM   #11 
        - Thanks. While banning smoking at work is ok, not outside work  uppityperson   Jan-25-05 01:20 AM   #48 
           - what about those with just plain old BO?  Skittles   Jan-25-05 01:39 AM   #49 
           - Hold nose, eat cough drops, advise bathing next time  uppityperson   Jan-25-05 01:45 AM   #50 
              - there is just no way in hell I could feel up strangers for a living  Skittles   Jan-25-05 02:06 AM   #53 
                 - Most don't stay stangers for long, though some are pretty strange.  uppityperson   Jan-25-05 10:05 AM   #62 
           - Heavily perfumed people offend me  me b zola   Jan-25-05 09:16 AM   #58 
           - People who crack gum offend me.  Dulcinea   Jan-25-05 01:45 PM   #111 
           - or the ones who chew with their mouths open  barb162   Jan-25-05 05:14 PM   #119 
           - depends where you live.  left15   Jan-26-05 12:17 PM   #167 
           - "Private time is private time."  jswordy   Jan-25-05 01:40 PM   #109 
           - What about the person that takes drugs  serryjw   Jan-31-05 11:50 PM   #215 
  - They are probably planning to add alcohol next.  pinniped   Jan-24-05 07:46 PM   #5 
  - they should, they already won't hire people if they smoke pot  LosinIt   Jan-24-05 08:03 PM   #14 
  - At least pot is illegal  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-24-05 09:03 PM   #25 
  - You either have the right of privacy on your own time or you don't,  gulfcoastliberal   Jan-25-05 09:55 PM   #151 
  - The health costs for a fat person could also be less  mcscajun   Jan-24-05 10:37 PM   #38 
     - Obese people are already discriminated against in jobs  Red State Rebel   Jan-25-05 10:17 AM   #67 
        - You'll get no argument from me on that  mcscajun   Jan-25-05 12:05 PM   #102 
  - No, not Alcohol.  BiggJawn   Jan-24-05 09:10 PM   #26 
  - I heard Sprint was planning on  proud2Blib   Jan-24-05 07:46 PM   #6 
  - or maybe they DID use that as one of their criteria  LosinIt   Jan-24-05 08:08 PM   #15 
  - What next?  youngdem   Jan-24-05 07:46 PM   #7 
  - ....and making all the folks that comply wear Mormon underwear  0007   Jan-24-05 10:04 PM   #34 
  - Or eat a Twinkie, with all the shades pulled  mtnester   Jan-25-05 11:02 AM   #86 
  - Next thing you know  me b zola   Jan-25-05 08:36 PM   #139 
  - This is supposed to become quite common. n/t  kuozzman   Jan-24-05 07:48 PM   #8 
  - Wow! That's draconian  sweetheart   Jan-24-05 07:53 PM   #10 
  - In Wisconsin, use of legal products on one's own time is a protected  eyesroll   Jan-24-05 07:55 PM   #12 
  - It is also illegal in Indiana  LiberalFighter   Jan-24-05 09:53 PM   #32 
  - Interesting  makhno   Jan-24-05 07:56 PM   #13 
  - Back down the road to Prohibition  mrdmk   Jan-24-05 08:18 PM   #17 
  - Big Business back on top  realpolitik   Jan-24-05 09:14 PM   #27 
  - And as prohibition  SOS   Jan-25-05 10:41 AM   #78 
  - Ted Turner did this years ago  serryjw   Jan-24-05 08:19 PM   #18 
     - Couldn't they require smokers to pay the extra money for insurance and  genieroze   Jan-25-05 12:56 AM   #46 
     - That is exactly what my employer does  jocal   Jan-25-05 10:23 AM   #70 
        - Any Actual Proof  RobinA   Jan-25-05 11:04 AM   #87 
     - Should this also apply to obese people?  American Tragedy   Jan-25-05 02:10 AM   #54 
        - let's fire everyone who gets sick  alarimer   Jan-25-05 12:44 PM   #107 
        - Robin & American tragedy  serryjw   Jan-25-05 08:32 PM   #137 
  - Its just a matter of time for corporations petition  isit2008yet   Jan-24-05 08:16 PM   #16 
  - I guess the "unacceptable" folks must be "eliminated" too  SoCalDem   Jan-24-05 08:51 PM   #23 
  - This is not so far-fetched...  TygrBright   Jan-25-05 01:05 AM   #47 
  - Decades ago, wasn't it the Ford Co that would send inspectors to homes  havocmom   Jan-24-05 09:45 PM   #31 
  - I think it must have been...  brook   Jan-24-05 10:11 PM   #35 
     - Actually I remember hearing that it WAS Ford  kgfnally   Jan-25-05 12:00 AM   #41 
        - Thanks!  brook   Jan-25-05 09:13 PM   #145 
  - I had mis-diagnosed panic attacks one summer  Patiod   Jan-26-05 12:43 PM   #168 
  - this has been a long-time policy at CNN  lanlady   Jan-24-05 08:33 PM   #20 
  - This just seems excesively intrusive to me  Danmel   Jan-24-05 08:40 PM   #22 
  - Oh, yes.  Redstone   Jan-24-05 08:55 PM   #24 
  - If you have EVER had a blood test  SoCalDem   Jan-25-05 02:11 AM   #55 
  - Ever seen the movie Gattaca?  Rush1184   Jan-24-05 10:39 PM   #39 
     - Excellent film  Enraged_Ape   Jan-25-05 11:09 AM   #90 
     - Yes, I've seen that one and I think we're heading there.  mcscajun   Jan-25-05 12:06 PM   #104 
  - Considering what Weyco does  KTM   Jan-24-05 09:14 PM   #28 
  - This is HORSESHIT  proudbluestater   Jan-24-05 09:20 PM   #29 
  - Older people have higher health insurance costs, too.  TahitiNut   Jan-24-05 10:16 PM   #36 
  - Say, um, DOESN'T LAURA BUSH SMOKE?  Carolab   Jan-24-05 10:22 PM   #37 
  - Does she work for Weyco? nt  Kimber Scott   Jan-24-05 11:23 PM   #40 
     - No, she works for the taxpayers of the United States.  Carolab   Jan-25-05 12:41 AM   #43 
        - Technically I don't think she's an employee...n/t  Red State Rebel   Jan-25-05 10:19 AM   #68 
           - I didn't say she was. But we pay for her "services" as First Lady. n/t  Carolab   Jan-25-05 07:34 PM   #129 
  - Will this make people finally see...  wildflower   Jan-25-05 12:32 AM   #42 
  - That's bull.  American Tragedy   Jan-25-05 02:17 AM   #56 
  - I'm bleary-eyed (not enough coffee this AM :)...  wildflower   Jan-25-05 09:07 AM   #57 
     - I'm sorry, I should have clarified  American Tragedy   Jan-25-05 01:43 PM   #110 
        - Thanks...yeah, I think that would be the right-wing argument,  wildflower   Jan-25-05 07:56 PM   #132 
  - This isn't privatized health care  Georgian2005   Jan-25-05 10:10 PM   #152 
     - Sorry, I guess I wasn't very clear in my original post.  wildflower   Jan-25-05 10:48 PM   #156 
        - Thanks for clarification  Georgian2005   Jan-25-05 11:12 PM   #159 
           - I see what you're saying, though I'm thinking of people who...  wildflower   Jan-26-05 11:42 AM   #166 
  - What's next, caffeine, cholesterol levels, political affiliation? eom  genieroze   Jan-25-05 12:50 AM   #44 
  - i'm so fed up with the direction america is moving in...  NuttyFluffers   Jan-25-05 12:53 AM   #45 
  - Horrifying....  Withywindle   Jan-25-05 01:53 AM   #51 
  - I don't think this will fly  Scairp   Jan-25-05 01:56 AM   #52 
  - Such crap. You can't just pick on smokers  spunky   Jan-25-05 09:25 AM   #59 
  - BMC Software tests for nicotine...  RadFemFL   Jan-25-05 09:28 AM   #60 
  - Yes - But You are Missing the Point!  Suziq   Jan-25-05 10:24 AM   #71 
     - Exactly. I smoke, but I'm a vegetarian and otherwise in good health  spunky   Jan-25-05 10:35 AM   #76 
        - Overweight is not a valid comparison  dmallind   Jan-25-05 11:24 AM   #92 
        - Being Overweight CAN Cause . . .  Suziq   Jan-25-05 11:35 AM   #93 
        - You fail to see the difference though  dmallind   Jan-25-05 11:46 AM   #96 
        - That is scientifically incorrect...only smokers with a clinically  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-01-05 03:19 PM   #218 
        - No, being insulin resistant leads to weight gain  eridani   Jan-26-05 07:03 AM   #164 
        - I'd say obesity leads directly to health problems  spunky   Jan-25-05 12:05 PM   #103 
           - Ermm no  dmallind   Jan-25-05 01:13 PM   #108 
        - Gee  Scairp   Jan-25-05 11:36 AM   #94 
           - I'm vegetarian (not vegan) for moral, not health reasons  spunky   Jan-25-05 12:08 PM   #105 
  - Check out the freeper reaction.  denverbill   Jan-25-05 09:54 AM   #61 
  - Freeper Reaction  Georgian2005   Jan-25-05 10:43 PM   #155 
     - Hi Georgian2005!  ncrainbowgrrl   Jan-25-05 11:11 PM   #158 
        - Thanks!  Georgian2005   Jan-25-05 11:35 PM   #160 
  - Did Their Smoking Affect Their Ability To Do Their Job?  arwalden   Jan-25-05 10:10 AM   #63 
  - It all has to do with Health Insurance Costs, not jobs performance n/t  Red State Rebel   Jan-25-05 10:20 AM   #69 
     - If That's ALL It Is, Then The Company Should Have Considered...  arwalden   Jan-25-05 10:31 AM   #74 
     - Very sensible answer  Red State Rebel   Jan-25-05 02:22 PM   #114 
     - Yeah.  brook   Jan-25-05 09:27 PM   #146 
        - Yee-Ha and Amen! nt  there-s a   Jan-25-05 10:21 PM   #153 
  - Why not just charge them more money to make up for the increased costs?  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-25-05 10:24 AM   #72 
  - First test you for Cigarettes, then a test to see if you are gay.  sarcasmo   Jan-25-05 10:33 AM   #75 
  - Remember "Philadelphia?"  Georgian2005   Jan-25-05 10:26 PM   #154 
  - I have strong allergies  dwickham   Jan-25-05 10:41 AM   #79 
  - Affect your health? You need to stay home.  davis_islander   Jan-25-05 06:37 PM   #126 
  - This is insane!  0007   Jan-25-05 10:43 AM   #80 
  - who cares? cigarettes are terrible.... IMO  egoprofit   Jan-25-05 10:48 AM   #81 
  - and for the smokers, so that when they DO have a health crisis, YOU will  FizzFuzz   Jan-25-05 10:55 AM   #85 
  - Nice Avatar  Crisco   Jan-25-05 07:51 PM   #130 
  - LOL!  John_H   Jan-26-05 04:00 PM   #172 
  - what other groups have higher health costs? They'll be fired next.  FizzFuzz   Jan-25-05 10:50 AM   #82 
  - I wouldnt be surprised if drinkers are next.  Rockerdem   Jan-25-05 10:55 AM   #84 
     - I know, and yet.....  FizzFuzz   Jan-25-05 11:06 AM   #89 
     - It is indeed - but so is drinking  dmallind   Jan-25-05 11:57 AM   #101 
     - Drinkers SHOULD be next -  lynne   Jan-25-05 04:46 PM   #117 
     - They Won't Be - Heavy Drinkers, Maybe  Crisco   Jan-25-05 07:53 PM   #131 
  - Is homosexual behavior next?  TexasSissy   Jan-25-05 11:05 AM   #88 
  - Oh... That's So Wrong... On So Many Levels  arwalden   Jan-25-05 04:03 PM   #116 
     - I included that as an example...  TexasSissy   Jan-25-05 05:41 PM   #122 
        - Read This...  arwalden   Jan-26-05 11:26 AM   #165 
           - It doesn't help to stick your head in the sand.  TexasSissy   Jan-26-05 03:18 PM   #169 
              - Oh Brother!  arwalden   Jan-26-05 03:49 PM   #170 
              - None of your statements  TexasSissy   Jan-27-05 10:15 AM   #174 
                 - What A Farce! I've Already Told You What Statements I Took Issue With...  arwalden   Jan-27-05 02:45 PM   #175 
              - Your posts ARE particularly insulting. You're not listening to what  TankLV   Feb-02-05 12:56 AM   #223 
  - What if it's the spouse/partner that is the smoker?  Norquist Nemesis   Jan-25-05 11:16 AM   #91 
  - Probably should add  dmallind   Jan-25-05 11:39 AM   #95 
  - Next: testing women for birth control usage  jburton   Jan-25-05 11:48 AM   #97 
  - I believe that this is a discriminatory practice  Sivafae   Jan-25-05 11:55 AM   #98 
  - Mi. isn't a right to work state, is it? How is this Co. gatting around  napi21   Jan-25-05 11:56 AM   #99 
  - It's "RIGHT TO FIRE AT WILL". "Right to work" is a cruel misnomer:  TankLV   Feb-02-05 01:00 AM   #224 
  - It's your own time, period.  SmokingJacket   Jan-25-05 12:21 PM   #106 
  - Sigh. Until we have universal health care...  geniph   Jan-25-05 01:45 PM   #112 
  - I would tend to agree...  rinsd   Jan-25-05 01:54 PM   #113 
  - are they firing all drug addicted employees...  olddad56   Jan-25-05 05:15 PM   #120 
  - If my firm fires me for smoking (won't happen) they'll lose a good lawyer  dbaker41   Jan-25-05 05:32 PM   #121 
  - Fucking Nazis. n/t  MrSlayer   Jan-25-05 05:43 PM   #123 
  - "In Age of Security, Firm Mines Wealth of Personal Data"  cosmicdot   Jan-25-05 05:57 PM   #124 
  - we don't fire existing smokers, but we won't hire new ones.  American Renaissance   Jan-25-05 06:23 PM   #125 
  - So, if they are not a smoker when you hire them...  davis_islander   Jan-25-05 06:39 PM   #127 
     - right...  American Renaissance   Jan-27-05 08:23 AM   #173 
  - Most tobacco is grown in Red states.  muddleofpudd   Jan-25-05 06:43 PM   #128 
  - It's Stuff Like This That Makes Me Want *Keep* Smoking  Crisco   Jan-25-05 08:06 PM   #133 
  - Lets make up our minds  Rockerdem   Jan-25-05 08:23 PM   #135 
     - And after this step, what is the next step in the process?  davis_islander   Jan-25-05 09:02 PM   #141 
     - I agree  rayofreason   Feb-02-05 10:47 PM   #233 
     - More Behavior Modification  Crisco   Jan-25-05 09:41 PM   #149 
  - If cigarettes are that dangerous, take them off the market  rocknation   Jan-25-05 08:47 PM   #140 
  - Exactly!!!!  davis_islander   Jan-25-05 09:12 PM   #144 
  - that is not a bad idea.... eom  Randers   Jan-25-05 09:48 PM   #150 
  - Email the company  4dsc   Jan-25-05 09:04 PM   #142 
  - Another example for single payer health insurance  Bemis   Jan-25-05 09:06 PM   #143 
  - Cigarette tests?  Champ   Jan-25-05 09:31 PM   #147 
  - Nanny state preview n/t  Psephos   Jan-25-05 09:33 PM   #148 
  - Well, that's it...  aikido15   Jan-25-05 10:52 PM   #157 
  - Positive side?  FuzzyDicePHL   Jan-26-05 06:06 AM   #163 
  - Just being born causes a (usually) long, slow death  FiveGoodMen   Jan-26-05 03:54 PM   #171 
     - Thanks for the cliche.  HuckleB   Jan-27-05 02:57 PM   #178 
        - Anytime...glad I could help!  FiveGoodMen   Jan-27-05 06:48 PM   #179 
  - Karsten Mfg., makers of Ping Golf Clubs, has done this for 20 years.  HuckleB   Jan-27-05 02:56 PM   #177 
  - kick  Moderator   Jan-31-05 11:35 PM   #180 
  - Keep smoking or keep my job?  clownskull   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #181 
  - I say I'm tried of looking at  Corgigal   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #182 
  - Why are you afraid of bald guy in their 60s? Have you seen a shrink? n/t  jody   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #184 
     - can you read?  Corgigal   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #186 
  - note that this policy only applies to the labor  7th_Sephiroth   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #183 
  - gee there's a surprise  Djinn   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #185 
  - a friend worked for coke  7th_Sephiroth   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #187 
     - I like that!!!!!!!!!  LiberalFighter   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #196 
     - that comes the sad part  7th_Sephiroth   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #201 
        - Need clarification...  LiberalFighter   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #207 
           - my friend  7th_Sephiroth   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #208 
     - christ really??  Djinn   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #200 
     - cant sack overweight people  7th_Sephiroth   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #202 
        - as yes the "genetic" rule  Djinn   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #205 
     - excellent. eom  genieroze   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #212 
     - Similar occurance tried to happen to us.  TankLV   Feb-02-05 01:11 AM   #225 
  - I'm not sure that is true...  LiberalFighter   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #191 
  - I think every kind of pleasure that doesn't directly...  Dirk39   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #188 
  - I say put your cig out in the bosses eye and quit (eom)  tk2kewl   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #189 
  - Are you sure it doesn't apply  NC_Nurse   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #190 
  - ..Just sayin' :shrug:  rqstnnlitnmnt   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #192 
  - To quit is great  clownskull   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #193 
  - Lifestyle-behavior issues...  LiberalFighter   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #194 
  - Bet there could be a discrimination case lurking in the midst of this  lonestarnot   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #195 
  - This is another good reason..  Pushed To The Left   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #197 
  - You're right. This is only one kind of "at-will" abuse  nuxvomica   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #209 
  - Keep having sex or lose your job?  Synnical   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #198 
  - but...  rayofreason   Feb-02-05 10:49 PM   #234 
  - Can you imagine this? Tobacco is still legal isn't it ? We're  candy   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #199 
  - sure tobacco is legal..  flaminbats   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #203 
  - I'm a smoker.....  Lauri16   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #204 
  - soon they will make people stop drinking, eathing junk food, etc  Skittles   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #206 
  - I hate to play the devil's advocate here but smoking is BAD! Not just for  Verve   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #210 
     - Harmful Yes...  clownskull   Jan-31-05 11:36 PM   #211 
     - They aren't talking about banning smoking in the workplace which almost  genieroze   Jan-31-05 11:39 PM   #213 
     - exactly..  flaminbats   Feb-01-05 12:14 AM   #216 
     - If the company requires it of ALL employees and they can prove that  Verve   Feb-01-05 11:47 PM   #221 
        - obesity, excess drinking, etc are bad too. Almost  barb162   Feb-02-05 01:16 AM   #226 
           - You can only be fired for an "unhealthy habit" if your company can  Verve   Feb-02-05 12:52 PM   #228 
     - "I hate to play the devil's advocate here but smoking is BAD! Not just for  bpeale   Feb-01-05 01:26 PM   #217 
        - "There is no conclusive proof that I know of that second hand smoke  Verve   Feb-01-05 11:26 PM   #219 
           - no proof ... yada yada yada ...  bpeale   Feb-02-05 08:17 PM   #232 
  - What's next?  fooie   Feb-02-05 10:21 AM   #227 
  - Boycott cigarrettes!  KissMeKate   Feb-02-05 12:54 PM   #229 
     - Agree! n/t  Verve   Feb-02-05 01:30 PM   #231 
 

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