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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #43
116. Actually, we don't call it the Old Testament
That would imply a New one. It's called the Tanach, which stands for Torah (the 5 Books of Moses) Niveim (Prophets) and Kituvim (Writings).

In any event, Bible study, Torah Study, Koran Study, etc. best belong in dedicated religious schools or houses of worship. A comparative religion course is another matter entirely, but worship is something different.
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  -WP,pg1: Bible Breaks at Public Schools Face Challenges in Rural Virginia DeepModem Mom  Jan-23-05 02:05 AM   #0 
  - Why can't they just do it after school?  Cats Against Frist   Jan-23-05 09:03 AM   #1 
  - In a rural area, kids may have to ride school buses to and from  DemBones DemBones   Jan-23-05 01:02 PM   #41 
     - Okay then, why don't they just do this bible study  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:00 PM   #70 
     - Umm...what's this have to do with West Virginia? n/t  VirginiaDem   Jan-23-05 04:58 PM   #119 
     - They do.  igil   Jan-23-05 06:50 PM   #151 
     - West Virginia  wallybarron   Jan-23-05 07:08 PM   #157 
     - In the early 50s, when I was in elementary school in California (Glendale)  TahitiNut   Jan-23-05 03:55 PM   #101 
     - Wow. Everone needs to read this post. (especially the small print).  jdj   Jan-25-05 07:28 AM   #196 
        - The Roman Catholic Church's ecumenism of the 60's changed some.  TahitiNut   Jan-25-05 07:47 AM   #201 
     - Everyone attended the same churches???  sandnsea   Jan-25-05 05:25 AM   #190 
        - no way  jdj   Jan-25-05 07:34 AM   #198 
  - Mind boggling  LizW   Jan-23-05 09:22 AM   #2 
  - School resources?  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 10:29 AM   #4 
  - because Jews are allowed to play football  Magic Rat   Jan-23-05 10:31 AM   #6 
  - You can participate here too  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 10:44 AM   #9 
  - Bullshit  MountainLaurel   Jan-23-05 01:47 PM   #52 
  - "interrupting class for Bible study "  RetroLounge   Jan-23-05 03:11 PM   #79 
     - Then you think the schools should prohibit the kids from leaving?  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:22 PM   #83 
  - Jews are allowed to read the Bible, too, at least the Old Testament,  DemBones DemBones   Jan-23-05 01:06 PM   #43 
     - Actually, we don't call it the Old Testament  Danmel   Jan-23-05 04:40 PM   #116 
  - Contrary to popular opinion, there are people who choose to think  Tom Yossarian Joad   Jan-23-05 10:47 AM   #11 
  - There is no Koolaid required here  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 10:51 AM   #12 
     - I'm sure it does "sound ideal" to you and your ilk.  Tom Yossarian Joad   Jan-23-05 11:47 AM   #27 
        - Wow, I have an ilk now  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 11:56 AM   #31 
           - Let me quote you then on a thread in which the topic of  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 12:48 PM   #38 
           - If you consider so many here to be "pathetic," why do you persist  Tom Yossarian Joad   Jan-23-05 01:07 PM   #44 
              - I considering objecting to this pathetic  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 02:54 PM   #67 
              - Isn't It Obvious?  arwalden   Jan-23-05 09:11 PM   #166 
                 - Female Frodo....  silvermachine   Jan-24-05 02:04 PM   #184 
  - because wasting time in the middle of the day  ldf   Jan-23-05 12:13 PM   #34 
  - "Bible classes in public schools were once common across the nation."  0007   Jan-23-05 02:15 PM   #61 
  - Propaganda by who? The Post?  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:01 PM   #71 
     - Read the article and figure it out for yourself.  0007   Jan-23-05 05:39 PM   #133 
  - So having a wiccan class  purji   Jan-23-05 02:17 PM   #62 
  - If those classes were off of school grounds  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 02:37 PM   #66 
     - legal is one thing  ldf   Jan-23-05 05:19 PM   #126 
  - They must not have any  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:03 PM   #73 
  - Did I miss something? Why West Virginia?! n/t  VirginiaDem   Jan-23-05 05:04 PM   #120 
  - I grew up in rural Virginia, and I don't remember anything like this.  jdj   Jan-25-05 07:42 AM   #200 
  - Virginia and West Virginia  wallybarron   Jan-23-05 07:15 PM   #160 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-05 03:10 PM   #76 
  - Debate and other things like band do practice in the day  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 03:29 PM   #88 
  - Yes and Yes  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:30 PM   #90 
     - Are you aware that civil rights are not absolute?  PA Democrat   Jan-25-05 07:05 AM   #192 
        - Such Simple And Rational Distinctions Escape Many Here...  arwalden   Jan-25-05 07:38 AM   #199 
  - That stuff is AFTER school  sandnsea   Jan-25-05 05:29 AM   #191 
  - it's something we are coming out of, not going into.  jdj   Jan-25-05 07:32 AM   #197 
  - Bernie Ward is discussing this right now on his radio show  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 09:38 AM   #3 
  - The children are not forced to go  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 10:29 AM   #5 
     - 10-20% do not  Magic Rat   Jan-23-05 10:32 AM   #7 
     - Everyone is different  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 10:44 AM   #10 
     - If 10-20% don't participate, there are a quite a few kids to  DemBones DemBones   Jan-23-05 01:38 PM   #48 
     - Not necessarily  shrike   Jan-23-05 03:48 PM   #97 
     - Not officially. (nt)  w4rma   Jan-23-05 11:00 AM   #13 
     - What do the kids who don't go do in class while it's going on?  kgfnally   Jan-23-05 11:05 AM   #14 
     - They are given coloring and meaningless busy work.  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 11:12 AM   #17 
     - And do you honestly believe that those children who do not attend  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 11:09 AM   #15 
     - People who don't attend church probably are ostracized  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 11:24 AM   #19 
     - Have the classes AFTER school hours  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 11:40 AM   #25 
        - No  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 11:49 AM   #28 
           - Apples and oranges  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 12:10 PM   #33 
              - more  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 01:13 PM   #45 
                 - You said:  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 01:57 PM   #54 
                 - Yes, I would.  fedupwithbush   Jan-23-05 03:02 PM   #72 
                 - yes.  ulysses   Jan-23-05 05:57 PM   #136 
     - Central PA--my son did not attend "bible release" time during school day  kittykitty   Jan-23-05 12:29 PM   #36 
     - Atlanta public schools have been working on a plan to allow Muslim  DemBones DemBones   Jan-23-05 01:43 PM   #50 
        - If teaching is suspended while the kids are away  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 02:10 PM   #58 
           - If 85% of the class left  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 02:28 PM   #64 
     - Doesn't matter. This is an institutional endorsement of Christianity.  BullGooseLoony   Jan-23-05 11:52 AM   #29 
     - Yours is the  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:17 PM   #81 
     - I must have taken a stupid pill today ... somehow I thought that  sunnystarr   Jan-23-05 02:15 PM   #60 
     - And what do the kids do who choose not to go  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:11 PM   #78 
     - If the schools prohibited these kids from going to the Bible classes  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:17 PM   #82 
        - So how does abiding by religious traditions  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:48 PM   #96 
           - It may or may not  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:52 PM   #100 
              - What other extra curricular activities  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:59 PM   #104 
              - as I mentioned in other posts  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 04:02 PM   #106 
                 - They don't do that here  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 04:08 PM   #109 
              - Since the article is about Virginia  VirginiaDem   Jan-23-05 05:13 PM   #123 
                 - as you pointed out, another poser mentioned WV  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 05:18 PM   #124 
                    - Thank you! n/t  VirginiaDem   Jan-23-05 05:20 PM   #127 
                    - Thank you  wallybarron   Jan-23-05 07:21 PM   #162 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-05 03:14 PM   #80 
     - Not forced; merely coerced.  kimchi   Jan-24-05 12:26 PM   #180 
        - Sure it's changed  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-25-05 03:12 AM   #188 
  - I'm OK with it, if they'll teach the kids that Jesus was a person of color  Straight Shooter   Jan-23-05 10:35 AM   #8 
  - good point.  jdj   Jan-25-05 07:24 AM   #194 
  - No problem with this  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 11:09 AM   #16 
  - There is a fundamental difference in the situation  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 11:17 AM   #18 
  - Ding ding ding! PA Democrat, you're our grand prize winner!  rocknation   Jan-23-05 11:28 AM   #21 
  - You're upset b/c they don't continue teaching  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 11:33 AM   #23 
  - This is done DURING the school day  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 11:53 AM   #30 
  - Perhaps the pro-indoctrination crowd would like to answer one simple  Cats Against Frist   Jan-23-05 03:08 PM   #74 
     - It isn't being taught in school  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 03:09 PM   #75 
     - horse hockey.  ulysses   Jan-23-05 05:41 PM   #134 
        - I believe the local school board decides that  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 06:14 PM   #143 
           - is the school day extended to cover the lost time?  ulysses   Jan-23-05 06:24 PM   #147 
              - It Involves School Time And Salaries...  arwalden   Jan-23-05 06:34 PM   #149 
     - um, read the article  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:10 PM   #77 
     - Picky, Picky  Cats Against Frist   Jan-23-05 05:22 PM   #128 
        - It doesn't "need" to be taught  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 06:30 PM   #148 
           - Reading the bible, praying and wearing headscarves  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 09:19 PM   #168 
     - It's The Tyranny Of The Christian Majority...  arwalden   Jan-23-05 06:47 PM   #150 
        - I am one of those Christians that you speak of that  maddezmom   Jan-23-05 06:53 PM   #152 
           - There! You See?  arwalden   Jan-23-05 07:14 PM   #159 
              - Had you bothered to read the posts  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 07:20 PM   #161 
                 - Oh Brother! --- Uh... Did I Say YOU?  arwalden   Jan-23-05 07:50 PM   #163 
                    - well, well, well.  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 08:01 PM   #164 
                       - Heh heh heh...  arwalden   Jan-23-05 08:40 PM   #165 
  - the school day is for school..........not shoving religion into kids...  msongs   Jan-23-05 11:45 AM   #26 
     - It's a little more than that  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 01:03 PM   #42 
  - So actual education is put on hold  Solly Mack   Jan-23-05 11:27 AM   #20 
  - If Kids Could Choose Between Taking An Actual Elective Or Religion  cryingshame   Jan-23-05 11:32 AM   #22 
  - I agree....But they aren't getting a choice  Solly Mack   Jan-23-05 11:38 AM   #24 
  - Allowing children time to color freely is a great art program and very  DemBones DemBones   Jan-23-05 01:59 PM   #55 
     - It's not the same as an instructional class  Solly Mack   Jan-23-05 02:05 PM   #57 
     - You are obviously not a school administrator  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:23 PM   #84 
  - this just another attempt to go around the law  klyon   Jan-23-05 12:09 PM   #32 
  - This is the same as going to any extracurricular activity  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 12:26 PM   #35 
     - please  klyon   Jan-23-05 12:50 PM   #39 
     - This is in a church  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 02:57 PM   #68 
     - I'm amazed at your posts.  fedupwithbush   Jan-23-05 01:02 PM   #40 
     - Open it to any who want to go  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 03:00 PM   #69 
        - I don't mean to be cruel, but are you really that dense?  fedupwithbush   Jan-23-05 04:17 PM   #113 
           - Some of the students?  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 06:10 PM   #138 
              - Just one, you and Charlie Brown  0007   Jan-23-05 10:50 PM   #171 
     - You continue to ignore the fact  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:24 PM   #85 
        - No, it means not a class  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 03:30 PM   #89 
           - Not where I teach  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:46 PM   #95 
              - This is outside the class and, since it's approved, outside the school day  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 04:10 PM   #110 
                 - So as long as its removed from the space and time  VirginiaDem   Jan-23-05 05:18 PM   #125 
                 - except that classes are interrupted for it  ulysses   Jan-23-05 05:48 PM   #135 
                    - Classes are interrupted for lunch  AliciaKeyedUp   Jan-23-05 06:11 PM   #139 
                       - yes, because food is sort of mandatory.  ulysses   Jan-23-05 06:14 PM   #142 
  - The Number Of People Here Who Support And Spout The RW Line...  arwalden   Jan-23-05 12:35 PM   #37 
  - Okay, I'll bite  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 01:20 PM   #46 
  - But they shouldn't cease school time  Solly Mack   Jan-23-05 01:31 PM   #47 
  - with 85% of the class gone?  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 01:39 PM   #49 
  - Then they need to change their habits  Solly Mack   Jan-23-05 01:45 PM   #51 
     - Sure, they could do that  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 01:55 PM   #53 
        - Well, I can fault them. I taught Headstart  Solly Mack   Jan-23-05 02:01 PM   #56 
        - 2nd and 3rd graders do not find music and art boring  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:31 PM   #91 
           - If you want to run for the Staunton, VA school board  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:37 PM   #92 
              - No it is not  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:57 PM   #102 
                 - legally, it is  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 04:00 PM   #105 
                    - Are you an attorney or a teacher?  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 04:07 PM   #108 
                       - I am taking education courses  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 04:15 PM   #112 
                          - I don't teach in VA  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 04:37 PM   #115 
                             - So,  Torque67   Jan-25-05 01:58 PM   #204 
  - It seems to me that you want the kids who stay at school to be  DemBones DemBones   Jan-23-05 02:10 PM   #59 
     - OH BULLSHIT. I never once said anything of the sort  Solly Mack   Jan-23-05 02:17 PM   #63 
  - One way it could be illegal  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:28 PM   #87 
  - That's a good point  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:41 PM   #94 
     - Well I am not a constitutional attorney  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 03:50 PM   #99 
        - Just because you or others are not happy with something  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 03:57 PM   #103 
           - It's not about being happy or unhappy with this  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 04:04 PM   #107 
              - These classes ARE NOT ON school property  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 04:11 PM   #111 
                 - No you are wrong  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 04:35 PM   #114 
                 - You'd have to prove that this is a "school sponsored activity"  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 04:42 PM   #117 
                    - How many times do we have to tell you  proud2Blib   Jan-23-05 05:24 PM   #129 
                 - Then it has to be EQUAL!  kimchi   Jan-24-05 12:46 PM   #181 
  - Hey Charlie?  fedupwithbush   Jan-23-05 04:55 PM   #118 
     - fair enough  Charlie Brown   Jan-23-05 05:09 PM   #121 
        - I think it is.  fedupwithbush   Jan-23-05 05:32 PM   #132 
  - I have to agree...it is stunning  bleedingheart   Jan-24-05 01:12 PM   #182 
  - the real problem is that Virginia schools are FAILING schools...  diamond14   Jan-23-05 02:30 PM   #65 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-05 03:25 PM   #86 
  - sigh ...  shrike   Jan-23-05 03:50 PM   #98 
     - Au Contraire...  arwalden   Jan-23-05 06:55 PM   #153 
  - Stories like this make me so glad I live in the Northeast.  Cobalt Violet   Jan-23-05 03:40 PM   #93 
  - Here's a mind-boggling idea !!!  SoCalDem   Jan-23-05 05:10 PM   #122 
  - So elegant, so simple and yet so difficult to understand  Cats Against Frist   Jan-23-05 05:25 PM   #130 
  - Its called religion on the cheap.  hickman1937   Jan-23-05 05:25 PM   #131 
  - now, I could almost go for that.  ulysses   Jan-23-05 06:11 PM   #140 
     - I don't understand. Why are the kids  hickman1937   Jan-25-05 03:05 AM   #187 
        - I wasn't being entirely serious about the name  ulysses   Jan-25-05 05:19 AM   #189 
  - Sounds good to me  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 06:05 PM   #137 
  - Mind-boggling indeed.  LWolf   Jan-23-05 06:12 PM   #141 
  - If I am Rastafarian, can I smoke "lamb's bread" (pot) at this class?  FlemingsGhost   Jan-23-05 06:15 PM   #144 
  - I'd like to see this extended  ulysses   Jan-23-05 06:19 PM   #145 
  - Of course, and people of the Santeria religion  PA Democrat   Jan-23-05 06:22 PM   #146 
  - As an atheist, I demand  VirginiaDem   Jan-23-05 07:00 PM   #154 
     - hah!  ulysses   Jan-23-05 07:02 PM   #155 
     - Now all we need is the Supreme Court to endorse it!  VirginiaDem   Jan-23-05 07:10 PM   #158 
     - It would be outside of school, not during school hours  VirginiaDem   Jan-23-05 07:04 PM   #156 
     - Nice!!! It works for my Faith!  98geoduck   Jan-23-05 11:38 PM   #173 
  - Geez WHAT is with those RED STATES today?  progressivebydesign   Jan-23-05 09:16 PM   #167 
  - View from a former Staunton resident  MountainLaurel   Jan-23-05 09:36 PM   #169 
  - Ahh... Clever...  arwalden   Jan-24-05 05:47 AM   #174 
  - I attended one of these 30 years ago...  VirginiaDem   Jan-24-05 06:11 AM   #175 
  - You're welcome  Southpaw Bookworm   Jan-24-05 03:07 PM   #185 
  - Another perspective  MountainLaurel   Jan-24-05 09:44 PM   #186 
  - I'd be pissed  LeftyMom   Jan-23-05 10:50 PM   #170 
  - They are wasting time either way.  tblue37   Jan-23-05 11:35 PM   #172 
  - So, would you be the only person to support me  LWolf   Jan-24-05 07:22 AM   #176 
  - I would support you  PA Democrat   Jan-24-05 08:15 AM   #178 
  - Great idea.  LWolf   Jan-25-05 07:25 AM   #195 
  - LWolf, I certainly would support you.  tblue37   Jan-24-05 12:08 PM   #179 
     - I've been browsing the site.  LWolf   Jan-25-05 07:22 AM   #193 
        - Actually, the ADD/ADHD commentary is on another of my  tblue37   Jan-25-05 01:18 PM   #203 
  - My mom always said:  knitter4democracy   Jan-25-05 08:48 AM   #202 
  - It looks as if the locals are dealing with the situation....  Bridget Burke   Jan-24-05 07:59 AM   #177 
  - Paging Bouncy Ball!!  fob   Jan-24-05 01:19 PM   #183 
 

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