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Wed Jan-19-05 10:39 AM
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| 23. Pretty silly isn't it? |
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No, it's not silly, it's just plain dumb. At least they gave it a shot. I still haven't heard why the 2002(the year the computer voting came into full swing) exits polls were so far off we weren't even allowed to see them.
Why bother doing these polls if they're just going to make up goofy excuses about why they don't matter (in this country).
The exit polls say Kerry won but he didn't. It's the darndest thing...
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| -Report: Heavy response by Kerry voters tilted exit polls |
budkin |
Jan-19-05 09:51 AM |
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Uh-huh |
OnionPatch |
Jan-19-05 09:53 AM |
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thats the same ROVE talking point the RW has been using since day 1 |
bpilgrim |
Jan-19-05 11:09 AM |
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It's easy to see why vanilla ice cream outsold chocolate ice cream. |
Stevepol |
Jan-21-05 04:59 PM |
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Mitofsky's impersonation... |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Jan-19-05 09:54 AM |
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or... |
NYCparalegal |
Jan-19-05 09:54 AM |
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CNN did too air the initial exit polls. People got screen captures |
jdj |
Jan-19-05 03:14 PM |
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That would be my first guess… |
mcscajun |
Jan-19-05 03:28 PM |
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took them longer than usual |
jhain |
Jan-19-05 09:56 AM |
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I thought the bullshit spin would have started Nov. 3, also... |
driver8 |
Jan-19-05 01:15 PM |
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Interesting |
Stuckinthebush |
Jan-19-05 09:57 AM |
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It is VOTES that count not EXIT POLLS!!!! |
underpants |
Jan-19-05 10:01 AM |
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thank you underpants |
tigereye |
Jan-19-05 12:11 PM |
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? |
Stuckinthebush |
Jan-19-05 12:58 PM |
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As long as the votes are counted |
Stuckinthebush |
Jan-19-05 12:56 PM |
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What sound reasoning. |
trotsky |
Jan-19-05 09:57 AM |
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Exactly. |
Imnottelling |
Jan-19-05 10:20 AM |
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but didn't the piece above say that Democrats traditionally |
tigereye |
Jan-19-05 12:12 PM |
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Regular polls. Never ever exit polls. (nt) |
w4rma |
Jan-19-05 12:19 PM |
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no, the quote says exit polls |
tigereye |
Jan-19-05 12:27 PM |
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"since 1988, exit polls have overstated " |
louis-t |
Jan-19-05 04:15 PM |
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show me the data- |
tigereye |
Jan-19-05 06:06 PM |
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It would take about 15-20 seconds.... |
euler |
Jan-21-05 09:42 AM |
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Isn't this a contradiction? |
TwoSparkles |
Jan-19-05 04:32 PM |
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This is from their own website FAQ, at the link above |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 06:08 PM |
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political history isn't my area of expertise |
tigereye |
Jan-19-05 06:10 PM |
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In one ear, out the other.... |
euler |
Jan-21-05 09:49 AM |
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That's what I noticed. |
July |
Jan-19-05 10:20 AM |
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They actually do offer reasons this could have happened. |
Donkeyboy75 |
Jan-19-05 11:35 AM |
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What were the reasons? |
Imnottelling |
Jan-19-05 11:42 AM |
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On quick perusal, |
Donkeyboy75 |
Jan-19-05 12:08 PM |
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Sorry but this explanation just doesn't pass the "sniff test." |
trotsky |
Jan-19-05 12:16 PM |
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There was also a large discrepancy |
Donkeyboy75 |
Jan-19-05 12:30 PM |
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One can spot cheating, without knowing the method |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 12:38 PM |
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One can believe there is cheating. |
Donkeyboy75 |
Jan-19-05 12:48 PM |
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OK, here are some more realistic numbers |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 01:11 PM |
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Right. |
Donkeyboy75 |
Jan-19-05 04:15 PM |
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Agree with you there |
Imnottelling |
Jan-19-05 01:38 PM |
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This should be easy to verify. |
mccoyn |
Jan-19-05 03:39 PM |
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Got to www.exit-polls.net |
Imnottelling |
Jan-19-05 04:07 PM |
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good one! |
orleans |
Jan-19-05 11:16 PM |
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Bulls--t! |
WhoWantsToBeOccupied |
Jan-19-05 09:57 AM |
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Two easier suggestions on how they can fix the exit poll discrepancies |
jobycom |
Jan-19-05 09:58 AM |
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yes |
tigereye |
Jan-19-05 12:18 PM |
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This is a non-explanation. |
bemildred |
Jan-19-05 09:59 AM |
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A systemic sampling error. |
mccoyn |
Jan-19-05 03:11 PM |
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A Sampling error? |
Virginian |
Jan-19-05 03:57 PM |
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I find it more than possible that some people |
hughee99 |
Jan-21-05 03:31 PM |
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Exactly, but somehow it was the Kerry voters' fault |
MaineDem |
Jan-20-05 07:09 AM |
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such bullshit |
wicket |
Jan-19-05 10:00 AM |
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Bullshit |
Warpy |
Jan-19-05 10:06 AM |
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And ... it turns out that VNS was CORRECT in Florida. |
TahitiNut |
Jan-19-05 10:14 AM |
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LOL!!!! I Wonder WHY More Kerry Voters Participated.... |
Beetwasher |
Jan-19-05 10:10 AM |
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Bingo! eom |
struggle4progress |
Jan-19-05 10:50 PM |
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I SEE A SEA OF ORANGE in DC TOMORROW |
bpilgrim |
Jan-19-05 10:11 AM |
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because kerry voters were real people |
RawMaterials |
Jan-19-05 10:15 AM |
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budkin |
Moderator |
Jan-19-05 10:18 AM |
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A puke-making falsehood to cover a failed election. n/t |
LiberalHeart |
Jan-19-05 10:23 AM |
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It took the payola press TWO AND A HALF MONTHS to fabricate this excuse!? |
StopThePendulum |
Jan-19-05 10:28 AM |
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Pretty silly isn't it? |
KayLaw |
Jan-19-05 10:39 AM |
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Re the payola press |
SOS |
Jan-19-05 11:26 AM |
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Your post |
KayLaw |
Jan-19-05 12:30 PM |
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Ummmm, |
The Donkey |
Jan-19-05 10:38 AM |
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quote: "because more Kerry supporters participated in the survey than Bush |
old blue |
Jan-19-05 10:45 AM |
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It couldn't be that there were more Kerry supporters |
Robbien |
Jan-19-05 10:50 AM |
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Three words: |
dbt |
Jan-19-05 11:04 AM |
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The timing (the day before inauguration) does raise red flags huh? |
underpants |
Jan-19-05 11:08 AM |
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that's two more words than I used. |
scarletlib |
Jan-19-05 11:56 AM |
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REMAIN CALM!! ALL IS WELL!!! |
underpants |
Jan-19-05 11:06 AM |
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Dear God, is that the best that they can do??? Experienced criminals |
AzDar |
Jan-19-05 11:08 AM |
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Budkin |
Moderator |
Jan-19-05 11:23 AM |
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Show me the data!!! |
ItsThePeopleStupid |
Jan-19-05 11:23 AM |
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Claims, but no proof |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 11:30 AM |
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Not one actual claim that can be verified |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 11:43 AM |
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To be fair, you're not comparing apples to apples here. |
Donkeyboy75 |
Jan-19-05 12:54 PM |
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You are right. |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 01:17 PM |
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I've never read such garbage from "the experts" in my life... |
Peace Patriot |
Jan-19-05 11:45 AM |
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A variety of errors almost never add up in the same direction |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 12:15 PM |
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difficult to pinpoint / impossible to quantify |
TexasLawyer |
Jan-19-05 11:52 AM |
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The SAME media said for months that Kerry voters were NOT excited |
blm |
Jan-19-05 11:54 AM |
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Mitofsky is in on it, we have links between him and Moon Unification/opus |
KingoftheJungle |
Jan-19-05 11:54 AM |
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I need a statistician to verify/debunk/ammend this.... |
KingoftheJungle |
Jan-19-05 11:57 AM |
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That's stupid! More Kerry voters responded cuz there were more of them!! |
progressivebydesign |
Jan-19-05 11:55 AM |
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it took over 60 days to come up with this "bullshit".... that's all they |
cthrumatrix |
Jan-19-05 12:26 PM |
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Congratulatins America |
newscott |
Jan-19-05 11:56 AM |
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Oh yeah, right! n/t |
FlaGranny |
Jan-19-05 11:59 AM |
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So on the eve of the coronation we have a report attempting to |
Raster |
Jan-19-05 12:01 PM |
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Calling Capt. Obvious: "more Kerry supporters participated in the survey" |
w4rma |
Jan-19-05 12:15 PM |
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Because Kerry received more VOTES! GEEEZZ!!! |
fooj |
Jan-19-05 12:20 PM |
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It's on MSNBC, too -- I just heard it on TV as people laughed |
cyberpj |
Jan-19-05 12:33 PM |
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Repugs were too ashamed or worse... |
RedCloud |
Jan-19-05 12:36 PM |
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repugs too stupid to answer exit poll questions...new headline |
cthrumatrix |
Jan-19-05 12:41 PM |
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Either too ashamed or too stupid |
artv28 |
Jan-19-05 03:25 PM |
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They keep pushing the Exit Polls to modify for theft |
tom_paine |
Jan-19-05 12:38 PM |
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Heard this bullshit in November. DU should be talking about real issues |
Democrats_win |
Jan-19-05 12:40 PM |
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How about in '06 and '08, we get voting machines that can be VERIFIED! |
GOPBasher |
Jan-19-05 12:48 PM |
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I completely agree. |
Donkeyboy75 |
Jan-19-05 12:57 PM |
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Is CNN telling a whopper of a LIE here? |
nodictators |
Jan-19-05 01:01 PM |
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"he didn't really produce an exit poll, but rather a guess..." |
KansDem |
Jan-19-05 01:30 PM |
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Bullshit |
suegeo |
Jan-19-05 01:04 PM |
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The media believes that the average American is dumb... |
driver8 |
Jan-19-05 01:21 PM |
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Then why did "Moral Values" get a high ranking |
cmt928 |
Jan-19-05 01:20 PM |
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Damned good point! |
KayLaw |
Jan-19-05 03:41 PM |
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Everyone here says polls are bullshit, except for exit polls in our favor. |
patcox2 |
Jan-19-05 01:22 PM |
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People do tend not to question polls results they like, that's true |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 01:49 PM |
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Simple random sampling is the goal... |
euler |
Jan-21-05 09:59 AM |
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Perhaps you could give me some idea about the difference |
Stevepol |
Jan-21-05 06:44 PM |
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Never.... |
silvermachine |
Jan-19-05 01:56 PM |
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Huh? Aren't they taken right at the voting sites? |
KamaAina |
Jan-19-05 02:26 PM |
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Essentially that's the claim. |
daleo |
Jan-19-05 02:33 PM |
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no author for this CNN piece? |
cosmicdot |
Jan-19-05 03:37 PM |
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I'm convinced now |
wabeewoman |
Jan-19-05 03:39 PM |
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What does this say about Kerry? |
Sterling |
Jan-21-05 07:48 PM |
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Just a load of hot air. |
Megahurtz |
Jan-19-05 06:10 PM |
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well, it's nice to know that |
DividedWeAre |
Jan-19-05 06:19 PM |
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What a pantload of Fucking Horseshit |
BadGimp |
Jan-19-05 06:31 PM |
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They may have a point |
Canuckistanian |
Jan-19-05 06:34 PM |
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Oh Really. The Republican Party is amazingly corrupt! |
leesa |
Jan-19-05 10:56 PM |
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"because more Kerry supporters participated in the survey" |
porkrind |
Jan-20-05 12:25 AM |
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You managed to sum it up |
Generator |
Jan-21-05 02:42 PM |
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CNN Screen Shots-Liars! |
kuozzman |
Jan-20-05 01:02 AM |
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Those who control the information control everything |
Generator |
Jan-21-05 02:47 PM |
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Bushco and the attendant media stooges called for a revote |
Matilda |
Jan-20-05 01:23 AM |
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who is surprised by this--authoritarin personality |
Moe Levine |
Jan-20-05 08:40 AM |
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Question: How Many Statisticians Were Fired? |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-20-05 09:05 AM |
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Horse - hockey! To answer the basic question of who one just voted for |
Emillereid |
Jan-20-05 05:16 PM |
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So the problem is too many Kerry supporters actually voted. |
buddysmellgood |
Jan-21-05 09:48 AM |
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Jan-21-05 11:13 AM |
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That's because MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR KERRY! |
TankLV |
Jan-21-05 01:21 PM |
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Rep. Conyers responds to this mendacious malarkey |
deacon2 |
Jan-21-05 01:52 PM |
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John Conyers gets my undying respect (nt) |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-21-05 03:45 PM |
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Jan-21-05 03:32 PM |
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Nothing to see here, move along now... |
geniph |
Jan-21-05 03:36 PM |
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Subheadline - Heavy vote by Kerry voters erased by Diebold |
fob |
Jan-21-05 04:25 PM |
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Too funny! We all know how shy Bush voters are! |
leesa |
Jan-21-05 06:09 PM |
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