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243. Newsflash: Men Taking Over Nursing Profession
>>There are more women nurses than men nurses. Why? Caring for people and doing what nurses do seems to come more naturally for women. They have built in nurturing instincts as men have protective instincts naturally in their make-up.<<

I believe women are currently more numerous than men in most levels/certifications/specialties of the nursing profession. However, in a number of certifications/specialties, men are rapidly overhauling them, and in the profession as a whole the percentage of men is steadily increasing.

My spouse oversees five health care programs/facilities and the majority of the nurses they employ are male. Furthermore, as the nursing shortage becomes more acute, a good many hospitals are turning to the overseas market and "importing" nurses from other countries, the majority of them male. In a number of developing and newly-industrialized nations, nursing is still considered a male profession, as it requires levels of education and (ahem) scientific skills that women are presumed not to have.

The health care facility my HMO grudgingly permits me to patronize also employs a good many male nurses. One of the most popular nurses on the staff is male. He is extremely nurturing, with a relaxing manner and superb social skills, setting even difficult and anxious patients at ease. (Oh, and --by the way-- before someone makes the assumption, no, he's not gay. He's married and has a family, whose pictures he proudly shows off once he gets to know you.)

It's pretty well-established by now, and I have no quarrel with the data, that many women tend to solve problems in certain ways; and many men tend to solve them in other ways. Both men and women, however, can solve problems, even the same problems, reaching accurate and/or useful and/or productive solutions using their differing methodologies.

Any yes, physiologically, many women tend to find some types of activity easier and/or more congenial, and many men tend to find other types of activities easier and/or more congenial. However, there is a sufficient range of aptitudes among both genders to make it dangerous to formulate absolute standards or even to generalize to liberally. And it would be well to remember that the relative values of gender-linked activities and accomplishments are social constructs, not absolutes.

Please let's not confuse empirical data and well-documented research with the artifacts of social and cultural patterns. Because many men tend to use linear thinking patterns more often than nonlinear patterns doesn't mean that all men are incapable of, or even less competent at, using nonlinear patterns for situational analysis and problem-solving. Because many women tend to use nonlinear patterns more often than linear patterns, doesn't mean that women "lack aptitude" for linear patterns.

In fact, let's not confuse empirical data that can be accurately measured and reliably linked to specific causation, with research that documents the existence of phenomena without being able to establish causation. An example of the former would be hormones present in greater quantities in men or women, and the effects of those specific hormones on things like orthopedic development in puberty. An example of the latter would be the prevalence of linear and non-linear cognition patterns appearing at higher rates in males and females.

We know comparatively little about the brain and its physiology, and how brain physiology interacts with environmental and social stimuli during human development. The quality of "plasticity" --the ability of the brain to adapt and re-pattern itself-- is strongest in childhood and diminishes with age. All we know is that both physiological and environmental stimuli affect how the brain develops. And as long as we treat girls differently than boys (a demonstrated and prevalent human behavior pattern,) during the time when the human brain is at its most plastic, it will be impossible to establish physiological causation for almost any brain function.

We are still less than halfway through the process of providing women with full social, economic, and political equality, even in the most developed nations. The best we can say is that some of us, individually and in our social groups, do a better job of trying than others. The process (like any good developmental process) involves experimentation, and it is necessary for us to make errors, go down blind alleys, overcorrect, etc. Some of our most valuable lessons and developments come from our mistakes.

I'm deeply grateful for some of the progress women have made since my childhood (yes, my high school class was the first to permit girls to take shop and boys to take home economics.) I'm dubious about the long-term value of other progress. I'm frustrated and disappointed in our lack of progress (and even regression) in some areas. On the other hand, there have been some unexpected successes and quantum leaps, too. I honestly don't know if we'll ever reach a point where we can say women have achieved full social, political, economic and cultural parity with men. But until we do, we will never know what differences are inherent and what differences are forced upon us by a cultural matrix formed on the basis of inequality.

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  - What year is this?  OldLeftieLawyer   Jan-17-05 04:19 PM   #1 
  - They better wear make-up, too! n/t  Lydia Guerra   Jan-17-05 04:20 PM   #3 
  - And don't forget the high heels and leg-revealing skirts! n/t  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-17-05 04:27 PM   #9 
     - nope no shirt skirts. taliban rule, they must wear long dresses with  okieinpain   Jan-17-05 04:51 PM   #28 
  - Harvard prefers an ambiance at least two decades old  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-17-05 04:32 PM   #15 
  - I started law school in 1980  SW FL Dem   Jan-17-05 06:00 PM   #79 
  - You are so welcome.  OldLeftieLawyer   Jan-17-05 06:43 PM   #98 
     - It is amazing how far we've come...  serryjw   Jan-18-05 10:28 PM   #233 
  - somebody once again screwed up big time  ally_sc   Jan-17-05 06:35 PM   #91 
  - My sister had the same experience @ Yale in the School of Architecture.  TankLV   Jan-17-05 10:51 PM   #179 
  - Ha!!!  MADem   Jan-17-05 11:11 PM   #183 
     - OK - It's DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TIME!  Dr_eldritch   Jan-18-05 09:04 PM   #226 
        - No lambasting...but who is AVERAGE????  MADem   Jan-18-05 10:03 PM   #232 
        - Thank you! Variations in gender, race, sexual orientation are GOOD!!  TwentyFive   Jan-18-05 11:07 PM   #237 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-20-05 02:17 PM   #261 
        - Do Class Differences Show Up Too?  Hebegirl   Jan-18-05 11:24 PM   #239 
  - And Summers was Clinton's last Treasury secretary  lancdem   Jan-17-05 04:20 PM   #2 
  - "Prior to coming to Treasury, Summers served as chief economist for the ..  struggle4progress   Jan-17-05 06:37 PM   #92 
     - speechless at that  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 07:30 PM   #121 
     - Yes, I'm not surprised - he's the Summers Memo Summers, after all  hatrack   Jan-17-05 09:49 PM   #167 
  - So glad to see him stretching out of his field, economics  Book Lover   Jan-17-05 04:20 PM   #4 
  - I think an english degree  XemaSab   Jan-17-05 05:11 PM   #50 
  - Apparently, he's not really qualified to be President of Harvard. eom  struggle4progress   Jan-17-05 06:54 PM   #101 
  - Does he mean, like, impregnating women and contracting prostate cancer?  DrWeird   Jan-17-05 04:21 PM   #5 
  - or writing their name in the snow with their own piss?  nickine9   Jan-17-05 04:54 PM   #31 
     - Really liked this one  oneold1-4u   Jan-17-05 08:16 PM   #146 
     - actually as i get older i can only manage my initials...  nickine9   Jan-18-05 04:35 AM   #188 
     - right on nickine9  Acryliccalico   Jan-18-05 01:40 PM   #216 
  - Somebody nominate this clown for the Shockley/Campanis trophy  The_Casual_Observer   Jan-17-05 04:23 PM   #6 
  - vote in their poll--No 2611 49% say NO!!  rodeodance   Jan-17-05 04:29 PM   #12 
  - Go Vote People!  VelmaD   Jan-17-05 05:17 PM   #55 
     - Now only 40% say the remarks were offensive  theHandpuppet   Jan-17-05 08:20 PM   #147 
  - Well, he is the  Tomee450   Jan-17-05 07:18 PM   #111 
  - Good for Nancy Hopkins - she is a famous researcher  Nothing Without Hope   Jan-17-05 04:25 PM   # 
  - He'uns daid raht, y'awl know  Redstone   Jan-17-05 04:25 PM   #7 
  - And What Fields Are MEN Lacking In?  cryingshame   Jan-17-05 04:27 PM   #8 
  - home ec and child care  Cheswick2.0   Jan-17-05 04:56 PM   #35 
  - Minimum wage jobs  oldcoot   Jan-17-05 05:06 PM   #46 
  - Regretfully,  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jan-17-05 05:46 PM   #70 
  - You ask: "What fields are MEN lacking in?"  Redstone   Jan-17-05 05:57 PM   #75 
  - oh so we can attack them and generalize, but they can't attack us  superconnected   Jan-17-05 07:20 PM   #113 
  - Who can attack whom and generalize?  Dr_eldritch   Jan-18-05 09:23 PM   #227 
  - I'd like to slap you  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 07:49 PM   #137 
  - Whoo hoo! I love your rant! Wimmen are so cute when they're mad!  BikeWriter   Jan-18-05 11:06 AM   #204 
     - LOL!.........  FizzFuzz   Jan-19-05 07:15 AM   #249 
  - Pretty honest guy, but--  oneold1-4u   Jan-17-05 08:26 PM   #148 
  - Wow, generalize much?  Tiberius   Jan-18-05 12:31 PM   #207 
     - It's my fucking opinion, that's all...  Redstone   Jan-18-05 12:58 PM   #210 
        - Okay I'll bite  Tiberius   Jan-18-05 01:52 PM   #218 
           - Um, what exactly is your motivation  Redstone   Jan-18-05 02:41 PM   #222 
  - Common Sense, Survival, and Sociability  Demeter   Jan-17-05 06:23 PM   #84 
  - Usually language arts, I think.  igil   Jan-17-05 07:19 PM   #112 
  - I would say wetnursing  LeftyMom   Jan-17-05 08:00 PM   #144 
  - Operatic soprano? Uh, well, until the late eighteenth century  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-17-05 08:38 PM   #153 
     - I thought about that  LeftyMom   Jan-17-05 09:13 PM   #161 
  - Anything that requires NOT blowing things up!  SharonAnn   Jan-18-05 09:44 PM   #229 
  - Why is he president of Harvard?  cornermouse   Jan-17-05 04:28 PM   #10 
  - he said he would work on his problem!!  rodeodance   Jan-17-05 04:33 PM   #16 
  - there better be a massive protest against him!  thedailyshow   Jan-17-05 04:29 PM   #11 
  - Welcome back to the 19th century  oldcoot   Jan-17-05 04:31 PM   #13 
  - I wonder what the 'new genetics" will tell us??--this field is defining  rodeodance   Jan-17-05 04:35 PM   #19 
     - Nurture vs. Nature Debate  oldcoot   Jan-17-05 04:44 PM   #22 
        - There is no "Nurture vs. Nature Debate"  nolabels   Jan-18-05 08:48 AM   #192 
  - I lack natural ability to have a child, being ,male.  indianablue   Jan-17-05 04:31 PM   #14 
  - The good news is you can still be a sperm donor!  SheilaT   Jan-17-05 05:54 PM   #73 
  - Tradition. It was the Harvard President who claimed WW2 GI's would fail ..  TahitiNut   Jan-17-05 04:34 PM   #17 
  - women have been showing themselves to be extraordinary students  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 07:54 PM   #140 
     - Yep. You preacher. Me choir. I like the music.  TahitiNut   Jan-17-05 09:20 PM   #164 
        - I do believe you ARE a nut!  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 10:48 PM   #177 
  - Manufactured differences in the teaching between sexes  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 04:34 PM   #18 
  - Teacing to the gender as well....  schrodingers_cat   Jan-17-05 09:48 PM   #166 
  - Well, the good news is...  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jan-17-05 04:37 PM   #20 
  - Wow  WindRavenX   Jan-17-05 04:39 PM   #21 
  - you had better switch to nursing  Cheswick2.0   Jan-17-05 04:57 PM   #37 
  - I've known a few nursing students  XemaSab   Jan-17-05 05:14 PM   #54 
     - I think the comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek  WindRavenX   Jan-17-05 07:01 PM   #104 
     - Oddly enough  loyalsister   Jan-18-05 02:49 AM   #186 
     - yea  ashmanonar   Jan-18-05 10:48 PM   #236 
     - I Love Your Comments  Hebegirl   Jan-18-05 11:37 PM   #240 
        - heh...don't worry, i get depressed sometimes too  ashmanonar   Jan-19-05 02:47 PM   #255 
     - Nurses get PAID less though--Women's work and all that  TeacherCreature   Jan-20-05 03:04 PM   #264 
  - When my sister was getting her engineering degree and went to talk to  lizerdbits   Jan-18-05 11:03 AM   #203 
  - Sounds like an Al Campanis moment  bluestateguy   Jan-17-05 04:44 PM   #23 
  - if they were encouraged as children, they might be more interested  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 04:56 PM   #36 
  - There's a book called "Failing At Fairness", it's research done on sexism  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 08:05 PM   #145 
  - Depends on the science  XemaSab   Jan-17-05 05:21 PM   #57 
     - It Wasn't The Subject, It Was the Culture  Demeter   Jan-17-05 06:27 PM   #87 
        - Where are you located?  XemaSab   Jan-17-05 07:21 PM   #114 
  - Well, women vary rarely think with their dicks...  pelagius   Jan-17-05 04:45 PM   #24 
  - At the girls' school where I taught, we kicked ass in science!  knitter4democracy   Jan-17-05 04:47 PM   #25 
  - First they decimated African and African-American Studies,  gottaB   Jan-17-05 04:47 PM   #26 
  - As a female faculty member  Ramsey   Jan-17-05 04:50 PM   #27 
  - academia myth of sisyphus but with gender bias  Robert Oak   Jan-17-05 04:55 PM   #34 
  - Very well put...  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 05:00 PM   #38 
  - Radiation oncologist here  Ramsey   Jan-17-05 05:04 PM   #45 
     - LOL... maybe we can meet up in Lamaze class...  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 05:19 PM   #56 
  - I was a physics major in college..  girl gone mad   Jan-17-05 05:23 PM   #58 
  - not fundamentally interesting?  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 05:30 PM   #60 
  - I think she said that  pop goes the weasel   Jan-17-05 06:39 PM   #94 
  - thanks, I don't know why I didn't get that myself  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 06:41 PM   #97 
  - I think you did misinterpret  Eloriel   Jan-17-05 06:39 PM   #95 
  - Well, that... I would totally agree with...  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 06:40 PM   #96 
  - I'm sorry for creating confusion.  girl gone mad   Jan-17-05 08:59 PM   #158 
     - It's called a FIXATION  Bruce McAuley   Jan-18-05 11:19 AM   #205 
  - I disagree.  indie_voter   Jan-17-05 06:05 PM   #80 
  - When I was in med school, some male faculty members thought it  kath   Jan-17-05 10:51 PM   #178 
  - Amen, Ramsey  Hebegirl   Jan-18-05 11:52 PM   #241 
  - I just erased what I had first typed  MaineDem   Jan-17-05 04:52 PM   #29 
  - ASSHOLE  Robert Oak   Jan-17-05 04:53 PM   #30 
  - Graduate school is difficult enough without sexism  oldcoot   Jan-17-05 05:02 PM   #42 
  - As one who was in grad school in the Ivy League, I could tell  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-17-05 08:44 PM   #155 
  - I am female, I aced statistics. HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!  Acryliccalico   Jan-18-05 01:56 PM   #219 
  - Little story - I was 25 before I realized i was good in math.  SharonAnn   Jan-18-05 09:56 PM   #230 
     - it's a bad scene  Robert Oak   Jan-18-05 10:40 PM   #234 
  - Expect a total return to racism and sexism  Mend   Jan-17-05 04:54 PM   #32 
  - yes, I was discouraged from taking four years of high school math  Skittles   Jan-17-05 04:55 PM   #33 
  - My mom excelled in math, but was steered into social work  gottaB   Jan-17-05 05:01 PM   #39 
  - Skittles, did you kick your guidance counselors ass  Cheswick2.0   Jan-17-05 05:03 PM   #43 
  - LOL OF COURSE I DID CHESWICK  Skittles   Jan-17-05 07:59 PM   #143 
  - My mom wanted to be a doctor  Ramsey   Jan-17-05 05:10 PM   #48 
  - My Mother  RobinA   Jan-17-05 09:15 PM   #162 
  - I was in high school  SheilaT   Jan-17-05 05:57 PM   #74 
  - Remember what happened to Jimmy the Greek and that Dodger's guy  indepat   Jan-17-05 05:01 PM   #40 
  - Don't get me started  Jamastiene   Jan-17-05 05:02 PM   #41 
  - The people who say they won't  SheilaT   Jan-17-05 05:58 PM   #77 
     - And yet  Tomee450   Jan-17-05 07:32 PM   #122 
        - They oppose it because  SheilaT   Jan-17-05 09:07 PM   #160 
           - I had students tell me they didn't need it  knitter4democracy   Jan-18-05 06:59 AM   #190 
  - 'Scuse me, this post doesn't have enough puke on it.  crispini   Jan-17-05 05:03 PM   #44 
  - The 14 characteristics of Fascism come to mind  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-17-05 05:08 PM   #47 
  - HARVARD IS SUED FOR ITS NEW SEX ASSAULT POLICY (2002)  bin.dare   Jan-17-05 05:10 PM   #49 
  - Lawrence Summers and the Lesser Developed Countries  bin.dare   Jan-17-05 05:24 PM   #59 
  - Harvard ditches Fonda's gender center  bin.dare   Jan-17-05 05:41 PM   #67 
  - They receive $12.5 million and can't get their act together to  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-17-05 08:59 PM   #157 
  - This is the kind of news I find earth shattering, yet we KNOW it will go  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 08:26 PM   #149 
  - Sounds like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia  JerseygirlCT   Jan-18-05 08:54 AM   #194 
  - Interesting, considering that  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-17-05 05:11 PM   #51 
  - I started studying engineering in 1988  missb   Jan-17-05 05:11 PM   #52 
  - I started in1982, similar experiences. n/t  indie_voter   Jan-17-05 06:00 PM   #78 
  - This asshole should be kicked out!  GoddessOfGuinness   Jan-17-05 05:13 PM   #53 
  - Wow. Better go shred my diploma and toss my PBK key.  sfexpat2000   Jan-17-05 05:31 PM   #61 
  - He's right..We lack the ability  BareNakedLiberal   Jan-17-05 05:33 PM   #62 
  - Summers should be fired, or forced to resign.  baba   Jan-17-05 05:36 PM   #63 
  - Wow! Ugh! WTF!?  HuckleB   Jan-17-05 05:36 PM   #64 
  - What an asshole!  Megahurtz   Jan-17-05 05:39 PM   #65 
  - reminds me of a computer science instructor I had  nini   Jan-17-05 05:40 PM   #66 
  - Only 43% say yes, his remarks were offensive.  Ilsa   Jan-17-05 05:42 PM   #68 
  - anyone read the article?  northzax   Jan-17-05 05:43 PM   #69 
  - Maybe  indie_voter   Jan-17-05 06:22 PM   #83 
  - I have no reason to believe that, as a general rule, women and men  northzax   Jan-17-05 06:33 PM   #90 
     - Thoughts  indie_voter   Jan-17-05 07:16 PM   #110 
        - I've found similar circumstances in my field...  GoddessOfGuinness   Jan-18-05 11:16 PM   #238 
  - Without the actual transcript, which he refused to provide...  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 07:12 PM   #106 
  - My first year in grad school one biology/medical prof  igil   Jan-17-05 07:30 PM   #120 
  - One book you might want to check--"Failing At Fairness".  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 08:33 PM   #151 
  - Funny that he is questioning how great a role discrimination plays  Nikia   Jan-17-05 05:48 PM   #71 
  - Exactly  Tomee450   Jan-17-05 07:37 PM   #128 
  - I'll have to mention this to my niece, the engineer  proudbluestater   Jan-17-05 05:53 PM   #72 
  - Jackass  indie_voter   Jan-17-05 05:57 PM   #76 
  - how dare you say women and men are different at all?  northzax   Jan-17-05 06:26 PM   #86 
     - I disagree  indie_voter   Jan-17-05 06:38 PM   #93 
     - Actually people who think differently succeed in science and engineering  Nikia   Jan-18-05 04:54 PM   #224 
  - Here's a man who desperately needs to lose his job --  Eloriel   Jan-17-05 06:20 PM   #81 
  - How is it that when someone in the public eye says that women are better  DarbyUSMC   Jan-17-05 06:21 PM   #82 
  - Science/math is not the same as functions such as caring/multitasking  indie_voter   Jan-17-05 06:31 PM   #89 
  - Oh lord.... what a load...  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 06:45 PM   #99 
  - "Caring for people and doing what nurses do seems to come"  sonicx   Jan-17-05 07:07 PM   #105 
  - Gender Stereotyping and work  oldcoot   Jan-17-05 07:15 PM   #108 
  - In the nineteenth century, being a secretary was considered  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-17-05 08:34 PM   #152 
     - And, now that more men are reentering librarianship  LostinVA   Jan-17-05 08:39 PM   #154 
  - I would say that multitasking is also socially conditioned  alarimer   Jan-17-05 07:56 PM   #142 
  - being paid shit, getting insulted to your face, being refused promotion,  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 08:48 PM   #156 
  - "They have built in nurturing instincts "  JerseygirlCT   Jan-18-05 09:04 AM   #195 
  - Newsflash: Men Taking Over Nursing Profession  TygrBright   Jan-19-05 12:18 AM   #243 
     - Bright! You're still here!  geniph   Jan-20-05 03:19 PM   #265 
  - He should be asked to step down, effective immediately!  leesa   Jan-17-05 06:24 PM   #85 
  - There are differences between women and men  jpgray   Jan-17-05 06:30 PM   #88 
  - I Know Someone Who Taught in Japan  LostinVA   Jan-17-05 06:51 PM   #100 
  - And girls were NOT allowed to take shop. I tried to in 1960  DemBones DemBones   Jan-17-05 07:36 PM   #126 
     - That's What My Mom Said  LostinVA   Jan-17-05 07:51 PM   #139 
     - If This Isn't Reason Enough to Keep Pushing On  Hebegirl   Jan-19-05 12:14 AM   #242 
     - Yup, it was a big deal in 1967 when  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-17-05 09:01 PM   #159 
  - Is Summers in the race for DNC chair?  TacticalPeek   Jan-17-05 06:55 PM   #102 
  - Obviously  Cori Cycle   Jan-17-05 06:56 PM   #103 
  - WTF? Poll say 55% No???  smirkymonkey   Jan-17-05 07:15 PM   #107 
  - actually, there are differences in men's and women's brains  pacifictiger   Jan-17-05 07:16 PM   #109 
  - To which I'd add that the differences aren't individual-level;  igil   Jan-17-05 07:37 PM   #130 
  - I thought he said something foolish, then I read this thread  superconnected   Jan-17-05 07:22 PM   #115 
  - Pardon... I must have missed something....  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 07:24 PM   #117 
     - look at up at the lists of what men are better and worse at. ie #75..  superconnected   Jan-17-05 07:24 PM   #118 
        - you must be joking... how does it insult men to imply that they  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 07:26 PM   #119 
           - my point is, that we not sink to the level of generalizing and insulting  superconnected   Jan-17-05 07:33 PM   #123 
              - But your point was made about ONE post insulting men...  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 07:35 PM   #125 
                 - It keeps returning in the thread  superconnected   Jan-17-05 07:37 PM   #129 
                    - Yeah... whatever you say, man....  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 07:39 PM   #131 
                       - I am a Woman. I'll take your "man" as an insult.  superconnected   Jan-17-05 07:41 PM   #132 
                          - ROFLMFAO... uh huh... ok.... glad you feel sorry for me  Misunderestimator   Jan-17-05 07:43 PM   #134 
                             - I wasn't insulting men, damn it...  Redstone   Jan-19-05 09:24 AM   #251 
                                - I realize that... especially given the fact that you are a man...  Misunderestimator   Jan-19-05 11:27 AM   #252 
                                   - Well, there was another one  Redstone   Jan-19-05 11:54 AM   #253 
  - I have to agree. Men are much better than women at farting and burping n/t  NNN0LHI   Jan-17-05 07:23 PM   #116 
  - He should resign or apologize profousely  sweetheart   Jan-17-05 07:35 PM   #124 
  - With all this back and forth, I wish somebody would explain this to me  indie_voter   Jan-17-05 07:36 PM   #127 
  - Dubya  RobinA   Jan-17-05 09:27 PM   #165 
  - Nonsense  mitchum   Jan-17-05 07:41 PM   #133 
  - Someone has a case of foot-in-mouth disease  alarimer   Jan-17-05 07:45 PM   #135 
  - yes and he's already declined to apologize  superconnected   Jan-17-05 07:50 PM   #138 
  - The dark ages are fun!!!!  GloriaSmith   Jan-17-05 07:48 PM   #136 
  - Well, apparently this guy has retained his inherent male  LevelB   Jan-17-05 07:55 PM   #141 
  - There was an old man from crick ...  bin.dare   Jan-17-05 08:32 PM   #150 
  - Unfortunately for the arguments of many here...  Spider Jerusalem   Jan-17-05 09:16 PM   #163 
  - Welcome to the New Dark Ages  Rex   Jan-17-05 09:52 PM   #168 
  - Sounds like somebody will be "lacking" in a job very soon!  fooj   Jan-17-05 09:58 PM   #169 
  - He will issue an apology, or  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-18-05 01:56 PM   #220 
  - I just sent this asshole an email  Mend   Jan-17-05 10:15 PM   #170 
  - Wow  GRLMGC   Jan-17-05 10:17 PM   #171 
  - Lawrence Summers is the best thing that ever happened to Princeton.  AP   Jan-17-05 10:20 PM   #172 
  - This guys has some big balls!  brown6004   Jan-17-05 10:33 PM   #173 
  - but they must be DRY balls ( this clown is "DB" )  barb162   Jan-17-05 10:41 PM   #175 
  - No, he's probably seriously lacking in certain areas.  Bridget Burke   Jan-18-05 09:14 AM   #196 
  - This comment by a president from this school is so pathetic.  barb162   Jan-17-05 10:38 PM   #174 
  - yes, and we are the one group that it's still "OK" to demean.  FizzFuzz   Jan-17-05 11:00 PM   #180 
     - Hi there! Of course you are completely right and it is one  barb162   Jan-17-05 11:34 PM   #184 
        - The bit where men call grown women "girls" drives me absolutely apeshit.  kath   Jan-18-05 09:03 PM   #225 
        - being a child of the '80s, what I do doesn't matter, but  LizMoonstar   Jan-19-05 03:44 PM   #256 
        - yes, I absolutely agree. Sexism is so pernicious.  FizzFuzz   Jan-19-05 08:49 PM   #257 
  - the new dawning of a new era of Stepford wives ....  NVMojo   Jan-17-05 10:47 PM   #176 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-05 11:01 PM   #181 
  - Harvard... Isn't that the diploma mill that gave GW Bush an MBA? You know  jobycom   Jan-17-05 11:06 PM   #182 
  - Harvard Business School, compared to the rest of the University,...  wicket   Jan-18-05 04:49 AM   #189 
  - Innate abilities account for the fact 60+% of college entrants are female?  imenja   Jan-18-05 02:14 AM   #185 
  - Lacking "Natural ability"  loyalsister   Jan-18-05 03:10 AM   #187 
  - You just KNOW this guy is an asshole  Mari333   Jan-18-05 08:21 AM   #191 
  - funny thing is  MARALE   Jan-18-05 08:53 AM   #193 
  - I think I can assure him  Prisoner_Number_Six   Jan-18-05 09:48 AM   #197 
  - Consider the source  grace0418   Jan-18-05 10:07 AM   #198 
  - OMFG! I can't believe he said that!  BikeWriter   Jan-18-05 10:13 AM   #199 
  - **UPDATE - Harvard President Says Comments About Women Misconstrued  Kadie   Jan-18-05 10:22 AM   #200 
  - Bwahahahahaha!  DontBlameMe   Jan-18-05 10:49 AM   #201 
  - I am a small woman but as far as the physical  Acryliccalico   Jan-18-05 02:24 PM   #221 
  - The scientific lab I work in where most of us have BS degrees  lizerdbits   Jan-18-05 10:58 AM   #202 
  - Once again, Yale says to Harvard.....  KamaAina   Jan-18-05 12:21 PM   #206 
  - Boxer in 2008 would shut him up.  sarcasmo   Jan-18-05 12:33 PM   #208 
  - He's a swine. And he has a history of bullying and prejudice re RACE  TeacherCreature   Jan-18-05 12:50 PM   #209 
  - I looked at the calendar--it says 2005!! but reading this says he lives  rodeodance   Jan-18-05 01:02 PM   #212 
     - Harvard should send him back to the sewer that he crawled out of  TeacherCreature   Jan-18-05 01:10 PM   #213 
  - THE GODDESS OF TRUTH IS  Massachusetts   Jan-18-05 01:01 PM   #211 
  - Too bad football season's over  KamaAina   Jan-18-05 01:20 PM   #214 
  - anyone who is defending him PLEASE read this!  FarceOfNature   Jan-18-05 01:20 PM   #215 
  - Thanks for pointing this out.  TeacherCreature   Jan-18-05 01:50 PM   #217 
  - Get a Life  Moe Levine   Jan-18-05 10:02 PM   #231 
     - Disagree.  stanwyck   Jan-18-05 10:47 PM   #235 
     - glad you have so much to add to the discourse.  FarceOfNature   Jan-19-05 06:48 AM   #248 
  - More Ayn Rand crap  camero   Jan-18-05 03:07 PM   #223 
  - This is why women have problems in IT too  Triana   Jan-18-05 09:35 PM   #228 
  - And you, Mister Summers, lack the sense God gave a goose!  gauguin57   Jan-19-05 12:19 AM   #244 
  - The continuing saga:  NYC   Jan-19-05 01:56 AM   #245 
  - Natual abilities-girls can add, too  all american girl   Jan-19-05 05:22 AM   #246 
  - He must be crushed  AngryAmish   Jan-19-05 06:43 AM   #247 
  - yeah, but, it's ONLY in upper body (arm) strength!!!!!  ElsewheresDaughter   Jan-19-05 07:57 AM   #250 
  - This is why I went to the U. of Missouri  stanwyck   Jan-19-05 11:56 AM   #254 
  - This neanderthal was the Commerce Secretary under Clinton  MissBrooks   Jan-19-05 09:35 PM   #258 
  - What about some of Bush's appointees?  Kathy in Cambridge   Jan-19-05 09:46 PM   #259 
  - So, he should be forgiven because Bush has bad appointees also?  MissBrooks   Jan-20-05 02:51 PM   #262 
  - treasury secretary, actually...  agitpropagent9   Jan-20-05 02:03 PM   #260 
     - Thank you...  MissBrooks   Jan-20-05 02:53 PM   #263 
  - What I'd really like to know  geniph   Jan-20-05 03:25 PM   #266 
     - Lamare Alexander Sen, TN on c-span just now wasid it was in the form  rodeodance   Jan-20-05 03:40 PM   #267 

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