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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. It's the Achilles Heel of victim-less crime.
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 11:48 AM by TahitiNut
Ordinary understanding of 'crime' is the (extreme) infringement on the rights and /or entitlements of another person: i.e. a 'harm.'. That person, then, is the source of a complaint and facilitator of evidence production.

What we see here is (1) sexual relations between consenting adults, and (2) the victim-less 'crime' of drug abuse. Only under a parental (control-obsessed) view of 'government' are such behaviors deemed criminal.

It (again) brings up the question: How much harm can there be from a specific act if it requires real-time intrusion and surveillance to even ascertain whether a 'crime' has been committed?

This was what I found astonishing about cable TV service claims way back when. The cable TV company asserted a 'right' to a separate fee for each and every device connected ... even though they could not determine how many devices were connected unless they actually came into my home and investigated. How extreme does artificially entitled capitalism get when the provider of a 'service' can't even tell when they're providing a 'service'? (I'd love to get paid for providing a 'service' if doing so required so little effort that I couldn't even tell I was doing it. Not.)
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  -Right to privacy in restroom not absolute rainbow4321  Jan-12-05 08:53 AM   #0 
  - Let's ask George Michaels.  seriousstan   Jan-12-05 08:56 AM   #1 
  - So why fine Randy Moss if they want to look at our naked butts anyway?  hector459   Jan-15-05 10:15 AM   #88 
  - I learned that when I was married  slackmaster   Jan-12-05 08:58 AM   #2 
  - In Cedar Rapids?  CornField   Jan-12-05 08:59 AM   #3 
  - It's not too well known if those of us that live here don't know it.  Pirate Smile   Jan-12-05 09:23 AM   #10 
  - lol ... I lived in Cedar Rapids and in Atkins/Shellsburg  fishwax   Jan-13-05 02:54 PM   #69 
  - That makes no sense at all  BBradley   Jan-12-05 09:03 AM   #4 
  - I can think of several ways.  seriousstan   Jan-12-05 09:05 AM   #5 
  - exactly...  rabid_nerd   Jan-12-05 09:36 AM   #13 
  - I thought everyone here could connect the dots.  seriousstan   Jan-12-05 01:12 PM   #45 
  - and if I"m having a particularly traumatic episode of constipation  SemperEadem   Jan-12-05 03:05 PM   #53 
     - I guess you didn't read the article. It was clearly stated.....  seriousstan   Jan-12-05 03:32 PM   #55 
        - I guess you didn't pick up my sarcasm  SemperEadem   Jan-12-05 08:31 PM   #56 
           - but stan is serious  cincinnati_liberal   Jan-13-05 05:00 AM   #60 
              - lol, hence the name ;)  SemperEadem   Jan-13-05 03:19 PM   #77 
  - benefits the government  tives12   Jan-12-05 09:10 AM   #8 
  - Here are a couple clues for the cops:  Pirate Smile   Jan-12-05 09:37 AM   #14 
     - Does this 'opposite gender' thing apply when I assist my son in the stall?  patsified   Jan-12-05 10:05 AM   #27 
        - If your son's anything like mine...  athenap   Jan-12-05 10:13 AM   #30 
        - I assume they recognize the difference between children and people  Pirate Smile   Jan-12-05 10:25 AM   #35 
           - But wouldn't they have to open the stall door to find out?  patsified   Jan-12-05 10:33 AM   #37 
           - Well, I took it as meaning they saw who had gone into the bathroom and  Pirate Smile   Jan-12-05 11:02 AM   #38 
              - But what would be an "inordinate amount of time?"  patsified   Jan-12-05 01:00 PM   #43 
                 - In Europe, they have timed crappers  MADem   Jan-13-05 05:06 AM   #62 
                    - What do you mean, "IN Europe"  praxiz   Jan-13-05 08:34 AM   #66 
                       - I've enjoyed the timed crapper in Zurich and  MADem   Jan-13-05 01:33 PM   #67 
           - Your subject line made me laugh out loud!  tblue37   Jan-12-05 01:20 PM   #46 
              - I looked back at it and it made me laugh too.  Pirate Smile   Jan-12-05 01:37 PM   #48 
              - Not just mid-century peds  Southpaw Bookworm   Jan-12-05 03:31 PM   #54 
                 - Yeah,  tblue37   Jan-13-05 01:55 AM   #58 
                 - Yeah, and when the kids grow up and move out  MADem   Jan-13-05 05:08 AM   #63 
                 - babywise  area51   Jan-13-05 06:14 AM   #64 
                    - He wrote them n/t  Southpaw Bookworm   Jan-13-05 08:13 AM   #65 
  - This ruling highlights the ethical bankruptcy of coupling a human right ..  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 09:07 AM   #6 
  - You have no right to have sex and do drugs in anyones property  seriousstan   Jan-12-05 09:10 AM   #7 
     - seriousstan, you're right...  Redstone   Jan-12-05 09:22 AM   #9 
     - no offense,  ender   Jan-12-05 09:50 AM   #20 
     - No offense taken.  Redstone   Jan-12-05 10:05 AM   #26 
     - One other thing . . . .  toopers   Jan-13-05 03:08 PM   #73 
     - Aw, c'mon....  PaganPreacher   Jan-12-05 09:32 AM   #11 
     - So, unless you're able to BUY a place to exercise a human right ...  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 09:33 AM   #12 
     - less about property than about public vs. private  rabid_nerd   Jan-12-05 09:38 AM   #15 
     - "convenience store" sounds like private property to me.  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 09:45 AM   #17 
        - it doesn't sound so bad if you think of another example  barackmyworld   Jan-12-05 11:41 AM   #40 
        - It's not a 'right' - it's (literally) an entitlement.  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 11:50 AM   #42 
        - Safety issue, not property  sandnsea   Jan-13-05 03:33 PM   #80 
     - Well, go ahead and open up your place to anyone who wants  Pirate Smile   Jan-12-05 09:40 AM   #16 
        - Apples And Oranges.  jayfish   Jan-12-05 10:15 AM   #31 
     - I have sex in hotel rooms which I do not own... is that illegal? nt  patsified   Jan-12-05 10:07 AM   #28 
     - Only if you do it wrong ...  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 10:20 AM   #33 
     - And  patsified   Jan-12-05 10:31 AM   #36 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-05 01:11 PM   #44 
     - That's not the issue. In places where you have an expectation of privacy..  AP   Jan-12-05 10:22 AM   #34 
  - Another view on lavatory privacy...  KevinJ   Jan-12-05 09:47 AM   #18 
  - I wonder what it looks like at night.  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 09:49 AM   #19 
  - If the door locks and you lock it and there's one toilet, it's private.  AP   Jan-12-05 09:55 AM   #21 
  - Goddamn it, as if I already don't have enough of a shy bladder  patsified   Jan-12-05 10:02 AM   #22 
  - Well ...  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 10:05 AM   #25 
     - That reminds me (sidebar)  patsified   Jan-12-05 10:10 AM   #29 
     - Yup. The maxim is "more than three times is self-abuse."  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 10:17 AM   #32 
     - No matter how you shake and dance...  deacon2   Jan-12-05 02:20 PM   #51 
     - ..too many shakes might be against the law in some places.  0007   Jan-13-05 03:01 PM   #70 
  - You'll have to pry my toilet bowl out of my cold, dead fingers  DS1   Jan-12-05 10:03 AM   #23 
  - lol.  Harvey Korman   Jan-13-05 03:44 PM   #83 
  - This is why FReepers travel with their own private porta-potties  DS1   Jan-12-05 10:05 AM   #24 
  - I thought that FReepers used those stalls with the holes in them. n/t  VegasWolf   Jan-12-05 02:09 PM   #50 
     - LOL!!!  Megahurtz   Jan-13-05 03:01 PM   #71 
  - "The Fourth Amendment protects people and not places"  ticapnews   Jan-12-05 11:32 AM   #39 
  - It's the Achilles Heel of victim-less crime.  TahitiNut   Jan-12-05 11:45 AM   #41 
  - The police should stay out of it, at least the prostitute had a job,  VegasWolf   Jan-12-05 01:33 PM   #47 
  - well it seems to me  northzax   Jan-12-05 02:05 PM   #49 
  - Can you hear that? listen some more........  genieroze   Jan-12-05 02:51 PM   #52 
  - Chip, chip, I thought that was the sound of a FREEPER digging a  VegasWolf   Jan-12-05 08:37 PM   #57 
     - HaHaHaHaHa!!!  Megahurtz   Jan-13-05 03:05 PM   #72 
  - You have the right to privacy in *your* restroom.  jayctravis   Jan-13-05 04:41 AM   #59 
  - So I Guess The Next...  jayfish   Jan-13-05 02:11 PM   #68 
     - That reminds of a joint in the 50's in Long Beach California  0007   Jan-13-05 03:14 PM   #75 
     - not if they tell you they are doing it  northzax   Jan-13-05 03:17 PM   #76 
        - Let's See.  jayfish   Jan-13-05 03:32 PM   #79 
           - ahh, so they were ok going in?  northzax   Jan-13-05 03:36 PM   #81 
              - The Article ...  jayfish   Jan-13-05 03:51 PM   #84 
  - And the moral of this story?  cincinnati_liberal   Jan-13-05 05:02 AM   #61 
  - The moral is that the police can bust into restrooms without any good  AP   Jan-13-05 03:10 PM   #74 
     - er, no it isn't  northzax   Jan-13-05 03:23 PM   #78 
        - This is a desicion about the admissability of evidence the police  AP   Jan-13-05 05:06 PM   #85 
           - and it seems to me that a business owner  northzax   Jan-14-05 01:46 PM   #86 
              - I'm not sure I'm prepared to let Gladys Kravits-style business owners  AP   Jan-15-05 09:53 AM   #87 
  - This proves we need tort reform.  Democrats_win   Jan-13-05 03:39 PM   #82 
  - What about right to privacy in a retail store dressing room?  WatchWhatISay   Jan-15-05 11:19 AM   #89 

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