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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:17 AM
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61. I was speaking of American Gulags... and yes, it was a friendly
jest. Well, it was also an anxious jest. Already the mainstream media are using their rights for free expression - they are using it exclusevely against you. And I see hard times ahead.

We cannot do more than to agree to disagree. You say in fact that freedom has no bounds. I can never even get close to that kind of thinking. Freedom starts having bounds when I begin to live even with one person. And the bigger a community becomes the less individual rights I have - because the rights of the others have to be contemplated, also.

So let's end this please. We will not be able to find a compromise on this.


Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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  -Soccer: What does this warrior's salute really mean? seriousstan  Jan-12-05 01:50 AM   #0 
  - Prosecute him.  rooboy   Jan-12-05 01:52 AM   #1 
  - Mark Bosnich  SweetLeftFoot   Jan-12-05 04:26 AM   #69 
  - Here is a picture  Bleachers7   Jan-12-05 01:59 AM   #2 
  - Interesting link...  Telly Savalas   Jan-12-05 07:51 AM   #80 
  - So, why had he tattoed "dux" on his arm?  ze_dscherman   Jan-12-05 02:06 AM   #3 
  - Di Canio's biography contains this  tkmorris   Jan-12-05 02:10 AM   #4 
  - Prosecute him. Bad enough that we have someone like Berlusconi  neweurope   Jan-12-05 02:35 AM   #5 
  - He should be able to salute any damn way he wants, fascist or not.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 02:38 AM   #6 
  - Ever been to a soccer match where there were ethnic tensions?  rooboy   Jan-12-05 02:48 AM   #7 
  - No, I don't accept your comparison  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:12 AM   #10 
  - Look at this picture.  rooboy   Jan-12-05 03:33 AM   #22 
     - Okay, so you go out of the way not to blame the real perpetrators.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:36 AM   #26 
        - I agree with you...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:44 AM   #34 
        - The American court system doesn't agree with you.  rooboy   Jan-12-05 03:48 AM   #38 
           - And they wouldn't be justified in doing so.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:21 AM   #64 
              - Well, thanks for keeping the discussion clean  AZCat   Jan-12-05 04:24 AM   #67 
  - No I havent...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:17 AM   #13 
  - No he should not. We have laws against this in Europe.  neweurope   Jan-12-05 03:02 AM   #8 
  - I'm sorry but that is wrong.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:07 AM   #9 
     - We are limited in our speech here  AZCat   Jan-12-05 03:17 AM   #12 
     - Sure you can...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:18 AM   #14 
     - It is most certainly illegal  AZCat   Jan-12-05 03:33 AM   #23 
     - And again that is wrong.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:18 AM   #15 
        - Yes we will have to agree to disagree. You cannot say something  neweurope   Jan-12-05 03:22 AM   #16 
           - sounds like a concept from the book 1984...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:36 AM   #27 
              - Or 1798...  AZCat   Jan-12-05 03:40 AM   #30 
     - This is not freedom of expression  dutchdoctor   Jan-12-05 03:30 AM   #19 
     - Freedom of expression does not end anywhere.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:32 AM   #20 
     - I hate to break out the old chestnut  tkmorris   Jan-12-05 03:44 AM   #33 
     - To that I say it is the responsibility of those who panic...  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:51 AM   #43 
        - With all due respect  tkmorris   Jan-12-05 04:01 AM   #48 
           - Even if I make that concession, expressing oneself politically  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:04 AM   #52 
              - Threatening to overthrow the government (political speech)...  AZCat   Jan-12-05 04:08 AM   #54 
              - To that I would say  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:10 AM   #56 
                 - The Supreme Court has sort of danced around this...  AZCat   Jan-12-05 04:15 AM   #59 
              - You have just proven that Hitler was as innocent as a newborn baby.  neweurope   Jan-12-05 04:11 AM   #57 
                 - Yeah, I'm hitler's bitch.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:16 AM   #60 
                    - "It's the action, not the idea that should be criminal". Wrong.  neweurope   Jan-12-05 04:19 AM   #63 
                       - Thought Crime eh? A persons thoughts and ideas are his own.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:23 AM   #66 
                          - We were not talking of thought but of airing these thoughts - speech.  neweurope   Jan-12-05 04:27 AM   #70 
                             - I agree, good discussion, nice speaking with you.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:44 AM   #76 
     - You're speaking from a very ethno-centric, American  leftynyc   Jan-12-05 07:53 AM   #81 
        - Have you read all my posts in this thread?  BBradley   Jan-12-05 08:35 AM   #84 
     - Also, why not just go straight to the source, and prosecute him for  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:34 AM   #24 
     - American freedom of expression eh?  rooboy   Jan-12-05 03:34 AM   #25 
     - So you are claiming...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:39 AM   #28 
     - My point is that you DO NOT have freedom of expression...  rooboy   Jan-12-05 03:44 AM   #35 
     - Can you tell me where I said that he has the right?  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:47 AM   #36 
     - You said this...  rooboy   Jan-12-05 03:50 AM   #40 
        - And I addressed that in post 29.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:54 AM   #45 
     - Bullshit...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:47 AM   #37 
        - May I ask what by what authority you have that right?  tkmorris   Jan-12-05 03:51 AM   #41 
           - What rights people have....  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:51 AM   #42 
              - Ah, but you didn't answer the question  tkmorris   Jan-12-05 03:53 AM   #44 
                 - Governments dont give rights...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 04:01 AM   #49 
                 - That is besides the point.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:02 AM   #50 
                    - Well done, well done  tkmorris   Jan-12-05 04:18 AM   #62 
                       - You can't reason  democracyindanger   Jan-12-05 04:22 AM   #65 
                       - Thank you for dropping in to personally attack me.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:24 AM   #68 
                          - Not personally attacking you  democracyindanger   Jan-12-05 04:29 AM   #71 
                             - I'm sorry but..  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:42 AM   #75 
                       - I still think  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:35 AM   #73 
     - I am sure they would as well  tkmorris   Jan-12-05 03:48 AM   #39 
        - I think you're taking it a bit too lightly...  AZCat   Jan-12-05 03:54 AM   #46 
           - I was speaking to his notion.........  tkmorris   Jan-12-05 04:03 AM   #51 
     - What's your point?  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:40 AM   #29 
     - It's very simply against the law there  leftynyc   Jan-12-05 07:50 AM   #79 
  - I agree...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:15 AM   #11 
     - "Its called the "roman salute" and was around long before Nazi's used it."  neweurope   Jan-12-05 03:26 AM   #17 
        - It is censorship. Just because you agree with it doesn't change the action  BBradley   Jan-12-05 03:30 AM   #18 
        - Doesn't really matter to me if you call it censorship. I agree with  neweurope   Jan-12-05 03:33 AM   #21 
           - There is nothing wrong with that...  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:42 AM   #32 
        - Government laws that censor arent censorship?  Jack_DeLeon   Jan-12-05 03:40 AM   #31 
        - For us it is no censorship. Every political party - we have a lot of them  neweurope   Jan-12-05 03:58 AM   #47 
        - Thanks you sensei, but I will stick by my ideals.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:05 AM   #53 
           - By all means :) You will have time contemplating them in the Gulag.  neweurope   Jan-12-05 04:09 AM   #55 
              - I hope that was a friendly jest.  BBradley   Jan-12-05 04:12 AM   #58 
                 - I was speaking of American Gulags... and yes, it was a friendly  neweurope   Jan-12-05 04:17 AM   #61 
        - Actually its not censorship!  RuleofLaw   Jan-12-05 08:54 AM   #86 
           - So you have laws that stop people from saying certain things...  BBradley   Jan-12-05 08:59 AM   #88 
              - They can say it, but may face a penalty.  RuleofLaw   Jan-12-05 09:11 AM   #89 
        - How?  SweetLeftFoot   Jan-12-05 04:30 AM   #72 
           - He has written about his fascination with Mussolini and he has  neweurope   Jan-12-05 04:37 AM   #74 
              - Doesn't sound to me  SweetLeftFoot   Jan-12-05 06:25 AM   #77 
  - Di Canio used to play for the team I support  Thankfully_in_Britain   Jan-12-05 06:31 AM   #78 
  - It wouldn't surprise me, but has anyone seen a video of the incident?  HuckleB   Jan-12-05 08:08 AM   #82 
  - Look at the picture (nr. 2) and tell me that's waving...  neweurope   Jan-12-05 08:32 AM   #83 
     - So you haven't seen a video?  HuckleB   Jan-12-05 08:38 AM   #85 
        - They probably do - I haven't seen it because I neither have  neweurope   Jan-12-05 09:19 AM   #90 
  - In Iraq Soccer is Peace - But the American's don't get it?  ausiedownunderground   Jan-12-05 08:56 AM   #87 
  - Lazio has long had a history of racism  Blue_Tires   Jan-12-05 10:34 AM   #91 

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