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kcora Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:24 AM
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85. Advertising and Politics
Anyone see the PBS special on how the campaign team decided they could put Bush into office, got him into being the Texas governor, then on from there. I remember reading about a study on how many times you had to say something negative about the other party before it would stick.

Isn't this just the kind of thing our forefathers worried about when they first decided to try out this thing called Democracy? And they didn't even have television back then!

The Democrats tried, half-heartedly, to duplicate the Republican tear-down tactics. People just got tired of hearing it. All the negative campaigning is an offensive move and it won't just go away if it's ignored.

It seems to me it's a lot like a man's ego - the bigger the ego appears the more vulnerable it really is. The thing is not to take the defensive, but to come back with an offensive that doesn't try to duplicate the negativity but exposes it.

The other thing the Dems need to learn is the KISS principle: KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID. Too complicated a reply and we just lose the message. (Like I probably did writing this.)
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  -Character issue puts Dems on the defensive NeoConsSuck  Jan-10-05 06:39 AM   #0 
  - ugh! I am so sick of the media....  unpossibles   Jan-10-05 06:42 AM   #1 
  - The truth about repubs is slimy enough, if only the Liberal Media...  Fridays Child   Jan-10-05 09:11 AM   #27 
  - True  unpossibles   Jan-10-05 01:01 PM   #57 
  - Cut 'em a little slack...  Telly Savalas   Jan-10-05 08:30 PM   #84 
  - That's because they have some  KevinJ   Jan-10-05 06:44 AM   #2 
  - The reality is we need to clean up both houses.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-10-05 07:40 AM   #11 
  - Again it's framed as a democratic flaw....  catnhatnh   Jan-10-05 06:51 AM   #3 
  - LOL that's a good point!  GOPBasher   Jan-10-05 07:05 AM   #6 
  - Not enough willingness to hack the voting machines  The White Tree   Jan-10-05 07:13 AM   #9 
     - LOL "Democrats lack the ambition to cheat!"  GOPBasher   Jan-10-05 08:01 AM   #16 
     - Or to really count the votes  nolabels   Jan-10-05 09:53 AM   #32 
  - You are misunderstanding what they mean by "character"  Merlin   Jan-10-05 07:07 AM   #8 
  - But that is their framing  tavalon   Jan-10-05 08:50 AM   #21 
  - Sam Rayburn's definition of Republicans  texanshatingbush   Jan-10-05 08:52 AM   #22 
  - maybe for social services  Mr. Sinister   Jan-10-05 02:30 PM   #68 
  - both standards must be used against them..  flaminbats   Jan-10-05 08:19 PM   #83 
  - Well at least they are complimenting us  OldVlad   Jan-10-05 06:41 PM   #82 
  - Ted Rall Said it Correctly Last Year!  MarianJack   Jan-10-05 06:54 AM   #4 
  - "Some Democrats want killer instinct in their next nominee"  rodeodance   Jan-10-05 07:01 AM   #5 
  - If the DNC is looking to develop attack-dogs . . .  leveymg   Jan-10-05 09:05 AM   #24 
     - Hell yeah! Totally seriously: If they would have me, I'd go and do it now  American Tragedy   Jan-10-05 02:42 PM   #72 
     - paw raised  SemperEadem   Jan-10-05 04:44 PM   #76 
  - "It's the Ferocity, Stupid!"... that should crystallize it for everyone.  meti57b   Jan-10-05 07:52 AM   #13 
  - I Don't Want to Agree With You About...  MarianJack   Jan-10-05 09:20 AM   #28 
     - not only 'attack attack attack'...  SemperEadem   Jan-10-05 04:49 PM   #77 
  - If the repukes won't play clean, then the Dem's must get in the mud  liberal N proud   Jan-10-05 08:07 AM   #18 
  - You're Right!  MarianJack   Jan-10-05 09:10 AM   #26 
  - But, but, but... we've gotta take the high road. Don't we?  calimary   Jan-10-05 10:28 AM   #37 
  - "If the repukes...."  DownNotOut   Jan-10-05 11:53 AM   #49 
  - GRRRR...and this is why I am reporting Senator Frist....  chomskysright   Jan-10-05 11:51 AM   #47 
  - Is this serious or another Onion like parody?  lfairban   Jan-10-05 03:45 PM   #75 
  - The Sad thing is...  MarianJack   Jan-10-05 06:35 PM   #79 
  - Exactly!  Tyrone Slothrop   Jan-10-05 12:54 PM   #56 
     - Exactly Back At'cha!  MarianJack   Jan-10-05 06:38 PM   #80 
  - If you are dismayed by this, you need to read George Lakoff  Merlin   Jan-10-05 07:06 AM   #7 
  - Lakoff's theory is one huge mess!  piece sine   Jan-10-05 07:25 AM   #10 
  - Well, I connected to Kerry, but that's because I like nerdy and brainy,  meti57b   Jan-10-05 07:59 AM   #15 
  - Me too  American Tragedy   Jan-10-05 02:31 PM   #69 
  - No it isn't  tavalon   Jan-10-05 08:53 AM   #23 
  - Your assertion proves nothing.  Merlin   Jan-10-05 01:54 PM   #59 
  - All people like Lakoff do is confuse the issue, and distract us  Rockerdem   Jan-10-05 02:24 PM   #65 
  - Dying to read Lakoff, especially now that campaigns never stop  sfexpat2000   Jan-10-05 08:06 AM   #17 
  - Well, how in hell do we counteract THAT?  kgfnally   Jan-10-05 10:23 AM   #36 
  - 'Framing' = PRE-EMPTIVE JUDGEMENT. and it works. SIMPLE EXPLANATION:  JohnOneillsMemory   Jan-10-05 12:30 PM   #54 
     - This is exactly right. And previous to that,  sfexpat2000   Jan-10-05 02:24 PM   #64 
  - Remembering John Edwards during the V.P. debate.....despite what the  AzDar   Jan-10-05 07:42 AM   #12 
  - No. He did not. cheney held up fairly well, except for some pretty stupid  calimary   Jan-10-05 10:44 AM   #40 
  - For the sake of the country  CWebster   Jan-10-05 07:58 AM   #14 
  - What is "triangulation "?  TheBorealAvenger   Jan-10-05 09:06 AM   #25 
     - Ancient history by now  CWebster   Jan-10-05 09:31 AM   #29 
        - Not Quite  cmkramer   Jan-10-05 11:33 AM   #45 
        - Nice sugar-coating  CWebster   Jan-10-05 02:04 PM   #60 
        - sounds contrary to Wellstone activism  TheBorealAvenger   Jan-10-05 12:52 PM   #55 
  - I'll Say It. "Dems Better Get Religion"  maxrandb   Jan-10-05 08:18 AM   #19 
  - Would you consider a position with the DNC/DLC?  Buns_of_Fire   Jan-10-05 10:23 AM   #35 
     - Man. Could we use a man like Harry Truman  maxrandb   Jan-10-05 12:19 PM   #52 
  - "That's because Democrats generally don't have the stomach ...."  hadrons   Jan-10-05 08:22 AM   #20 
  - That used to be admired as "the high road"  Rose Siding   Jan-10-05 09:34 AM   #30 
  - Democrats don't have the stomach to what?  Massachusetts   Jan-10-05 09:43 AM   #31 
  - That's not how I read it  Lorien   Jan-10-05 10:31 AM   #39 
  - We Can Stick to Principles  maxrandb   Jan-10-05 11:55 AM   #50 
  - Dem's better get mean and get God, or whatever it takes  AmandaRuth   Jan-10-05 10:10 AM   #33 
  - I love this one: "Chad Clanton, part of Kerry's rapid-response team"  calimary   Jan-10-05 10:17 AM   #34 
  - Much less did they even think to use grassroots?  Robbien   Jan-10-05 10:29 AM   #38 
     - Pathetic, wasn' t it? I was just totally disgusted, time after time.  calimary   Jan-10-05 10:46 AM   #42 
  - The Dems are finally starting to get it.  creeksneakers2   Jan-10-05 10:44 AM   #41 
  - I wish to God that were true. But they aren' t starting to get it. YET.  calimary   Jan-10-05 10:55 AM   #43 
  - If there is going to be a crisis in twenty years  Robbien   Jan-10-05 11:17 AM   #44 
  - You should see some of the posts by right wingers  Sparkle   Jan-10-05 11:42 AM   #46 
  - the nosepick pict  chomskysright   Jan-10-05 11:52 AM   #48 
  - Fighting back isnt  DownNotOut   Jan-10-05 11:56 AM   #51 
  - Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!  maxrandb   Jan-10-05 12:25 PM   #53 
  - Politically Correct confused with Honorable  athenap   Jan-10-05 01:39 PM   #58 
  - Strength and toughness do not equal viciousness and spite  Psephos   Jan-10-05 02:16 PM   #63 
  - Character issues like not going to war for Halliburton? n/t  VegasWolf   Jan-10-05 02:08 PM   #61 
  - I'll say this till I'm blue in the face...  KansDem   Jan-10-05 02:15 PM   #62 
  - True, the media are nothing but lazy whores, but Rove did figure  VegasWolf   Jan-10-05 06:40 PM   #81 
  - The Democrats could INSTANTLY become the "party of values"  brentspeak   Jan-10-05 02:25 PM   #66 
  - WE DON'T HAVE THE CHARACTER ISSUE  Bouncy Ball   Jan-10-05 02:29 PM   #67 
  - In short, stop playing namby-pamby defense, for chrissakes  Rockerdem   Jan-10-05 02:35 PM   #70 
  - EXACTLY.  Bouncy Ball   Jan-10-05 02:38 PM   #71 
  - Also, no more policy wonks PLEASE  Rockerdem   Jan-10-05 05:15 PM   #78 
  - That's it! I'm so very tired of watching as  JerseygirlCT   Jan-10-05 03:38 PM   #74 
  - You got it!  JerseygirlCT   Jan-10-05 03:37 PM   #73 
  - Advertising and Politics  kcora   Jan-11-05 10:24 AM   #85 

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