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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:08 AM
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1. I'm sorry, but I'm sadden to hear this.
Unless they can come up with a good reason that Lord Spam took that land improperly, this action will not get Chavez many kudos.
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  -Venezuelan troops grab farms from "Lord Spam" Thankfully_in_Britain  Jan-09-05 06:59 AM   #0 
  - I'm sorry, but I'm sadden to hear this.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-09-05 07:08 AM   #1 
  - At SOME point, the assets MUST be redistributed  SoCalDem   Jan-09-05 07:15 AM   #2 
  - If he feels justified, I hope he does a good job of explaining  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-09-05 07:34 AM   #6 
  - Aw, gee, but don't you know, agribusiness is a GOOD thing!  No Exit   Jan-09-05 07:38 AM   #8 
  - Its really a property rights thing  sweetheart   Jan-09-05 01:46 PM   #31 
  - Chavez is NOT a dictator!!!!  bvar22   Jan-09-05 02:05 PM   #35 
  - In America, property rights is an institution older than God.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-10-05 07:42 AM   #57 
     - American property rights includes the principle of adverse possession --  AP   Jan-10-05 09:02 AM   #61 
     - Adverse Possession does not apply here if the government is  Bono71   Jan-10-05 10:03 AM   #68 
        - Adverse possession is between two private parties.  AP   Jan-10-05 10:28 AM   #70 
           - I am not sure you understand everything that goes into adverse  Bono71   Jan-10-05 03:57 PM   #76 
              - It's a new breed, but is based on logic of adverse possession.  AP   Jan-11-05 11:04 AM   #92 
                 - Again...Adverse possession is not what is going on here...  Bono71   Jan-11-05 12:54 PM   #95 
                 - I'm using it as an (apt) analogy that explains the economic goal  AP   Jan-12-05 12:04 AM   #99 
                    - Right...this is exacly why your analogy does not fit...  Bono71   Jan-12-05 10:33 AM   #105 
                       - The inequitable distribution of land was rememdied by AdvPoss statutes  AP   Jan-12-05 10:38 AM   #107 
                          - Hey, I pointed out that I have used AP...  Bono71   Jan-12-05 10:43 AM   #109 
                             - Read the thing I just quoted.  AP   Jan-12-05 10:45 AM   #111 
                                - No doubt you are wrong. n/t  Bono71   Jan-12-05 10:48 AM   #113 
                                   - That's also a label and not an argument.  AP   Jan-12-05 10:49 AM   #114 
                                      - lol.  Bono71   Jan-12-05 10:51 AM   #116 
                                      - LoL -- "lots of lables"; LoA: "Lack of Argument."  AP   Jan-12-05 11:57 AM   #119 
                 - Poeple are all in a tizzy about the rights of the rich.  gorbal   Jan-12-05 12:32 AM   #100 
                    - No, what this title holder is "upset" about is the  Bono71   Jan-12-05 10:37 AM   #106 
     - Not if you are in the way of progress!  RedCloud   Jan-10-05 03:47 PM   #74 
  - Excellent point there, sweetheart!!!  Just Me   Jan-09-05 03:42 PM   #47 
  - Inequitably distributed land not being used productively will destroy ...  AP   Jan-09-05 04:00 PM   #51 
  - Very well put  Philly Buster   Jan-10-05 08:27 AM   #58 
  - land is freedom property rights is slavery  poe   Jan-10-05 08:51 AM   #60 
     - Nice,  Bono71   Jan-10-05 10:04 AM   #69 
        - Ahem, that would be a RW talking point. I HATE RWTPs!!! eom  Just Me   Jan-10-05 05:39 PM   #88 
           - That is not a RW talking point, that is pointing  Bono71   Jan-11-05 12:57 PM   #96 
              - You were just labeling it. You didn't make an argument about breadth  AP   Jan-12-05 09:14 AM   #102 
                 - I think you can figure out how it was overbroad and incorrect. n/t  Bono71   Jan-12-05 10:39 AM   #108 
                    - That's a label. That's not an argument.  AP   Jan-12-05 10:44 AM   #110 
                       - Race baiting is race baiting. You take a class of people,  Bono71   Jan-12-05 10:47 AM   #112 
                          - What was the stereotype/generalization?  AP   Jan-12-05 10:50 AM   #115 
  - Agree, but you don't have to look...  bvar22   Jan-09-05 01:53 PM   #32 
     - and the repubes have "blamed" it on taxes  SoCalDem   Jan-10-05 03:04 PM   #71 
  - Like the way we must prove that rich people took the money improperly...  Darranar   Jan-09-05 07:21 AM   #3 
  - It would not be difficult to prove if it were true.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-09-05 07:32 AM   #5 
     - That's probably true. But the question is what to do NOW...  Darranar   Jan-09-05 07:37 AM   #7 
     - But what if a government is owned by corrupt  No Exit   Jan-09-05 07:46 AM   #9 
        - Or do what they did in Honolulu & Atlantic City: Raise the property taxes  TankLV   Jan-09-05 12:18 PM   #22 
        - Exactly. Sounds just like the sorts of tactics that the  No Exit   Jan-09-05 11:18 PM   #55 
        - There are land grabs, then there are land grabs.  The Backlash Cometh   Jan-09-05 04:39 PM   #54 
           - Yes, and some government or quasi-government positions  No Exit   Jan-09-05 11:26 PM   #56 
  - At one time the British held title to the land we are living on too BC  NNN0LHI   Jan-09-05 10:29 AM   #17 
  - It is sort of what comes around, goes around, isn't it?  KitSileya   Jan-10-05 09:27 AM   #67 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-09-05 02:11 PM   #37 
  - The right-wing consolidates power. The left-wing deconsolidates power.  w4rma   Jan-10-05 09:06 AM   #64 
     - ...and what Chvez wants to do is to allow people to decentralize the ...  AP   Jan-10-05 09:13 AM   #66 
  - Land reform is the most misunderstood policy on earth  HamdenRice   Jan-09-05 07:24 AM   #4 
  - So True! And I'll add this: in the US this kind of land reform is en-  AP   Jan-09-05 03:58 PM   #49 
  - Incorrect, (see post above).  Bono71   Jan-10-05 05:33 PM   #87 
  - You are a little misinformed about Hawaii...  Bono71   Jan-10-05 05:32 PM   #86 
  - Is this part of what you were discussing? Found it in google.....  Judi Lynn   Jan-10-05 06:43 PM   #91 
  - Here are some articlles posted in the last day or two on a similar thread  Judi Lynn   Jan-09-05 07:59 AM   #10 
  - They should offer him a buyout...  BAPhill   Jan-09-05 08:16 AM   #11 
  - Corporations do "hostile takeovers" all the time  SoCalDem   Jan-10-05 04:20 PM   #80 
  - If society has the authority to draft a person and force him/her to die  jody   Jan-09-05 09:54 AM   #12 
  - Maybe Chavez is going to build a baseball stadium.  bahrbearian   Jan-09-05 10:06 AM   #13 
  - we call that 'Involuntary Annexation'... and it's all perfectly LEGAL  bpilgrim   Jan-09-05 10:13 AM   #14 
  - Doesn't Chimmpy call it " Eminent Domain"  bahrbearian   Jan-09-05 10:26 AM   #16 
  - Or perhaps a highway? n/t  Darranar   Jan-09-05 10:13 AM   #15 
  - Chavez should have been gone long ago...  Bo   Jan-09-05 10:36 AM   #18 
  - "Investors" sounds so.... innocuous  Canuckistanian   Jan-09-05 10:49 AM   #19 
  - What arguable "methods" ?  bvar22   Jan-09-05 01:40 PM   #30 
  - "Devestors" or "Exvestors" would be a better term.  AP   Jan-09-05 04:02 PM   #52 
  - You have it backwards - it's the foreign colonialists that are the thieves  TankLV   Jan-09-05 12:27 PM   #23 
  - I, for one, am buying it  brentspeak   Jan-09-05 01:59 PM   #33 
     - Having you been following this idle land story  Robbien   Jan-09-05 02:14 PM   #38 
     - Bill Clinton didn't underwrite a coup against Chavez, did he?  Judi Lynn   Jan-09-05 02:40 PM   #40 
        - Clinton was leery of Chavez from the beginning -- and still is  brentspeak   Jan-09-05 03:30 PM   #45 
        - You know, just because we're Democrats doesn't mean we defer  Judi Lynn   Jan-09-05 03:59 PM   #50 
        - not a dimes worth of difference  tinanator   Jan-10-05 08:34 AM   #59 
        - I've seen complimentary quotes about one from the other here.  AP   Jan-10-05 09:05 AM   #63 
        - Clinton is a mixed bag on Venezuela and Chavez ...  bin.dare   Jan-09-05 04:38 PM   #53 
           - Albright is on the board of N.E.D., IIRC.  AP   Jan-10-05 09:07 AM   #65 
              - "the price is worth it" says Albright ...  bin.dare   Jan-10-05 05:24 PM   #85 
  - A wacko sure - at least a wacko on the side of the poor  clem_c_rock   Jan-09-05 12:34 PM   #24 
  - Wacko is a term used only by BushCo backers, his spinmeisters  Robbien   Jan-09-05 12:42 PM   #26 
  - Two types of people...  bvar22   Jan-09-05 02:01 PM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-09-05 02:23 PM   #39 
  - You might be able to see him waving from the blue house  Judi Lynn   Jan-09-05 02:50 PM   #42 
  - You seem to be ignorant of history...  Solon   Jan-09-05 03:15 PM   #43 
  - I travel there too and disagree with you strongly. You must only  SharonAnn   Jan-09-05 03:53 PM   #48 
  - Chavez gives the land to the citizens;  rman   Jan-11-05 01:40 PM   #97 
  - hmmm....um...  AlbizuX   Jan-09-05 10:59 AM   #20 
  - Damn Right!  hughee99   Jan-12-05 11:36 AM   #117 
  - You Go, Hugo!!!!  bvar22   Jan-09-05 11:17 AM   #21 
  - Viva CHAVEZ!!  Chicago Democrat   Jan-09-05 12:34 PM   #25 
  - The Vesteys  fedsron2us   Jan-09-05 12:44 PM   #27 
  - Why that Chavez is a bloody Robin Hood!!  Carl Brennan   Jan-09-05 12:56 PM   #28 
  - Most Brits who know about the Vesteys do not like them  fedsron2us   Jan-09-05 03:27 PM   #44 
  - Stealing from the rich and giving to the poor, outrageous!  IndianaGreen   Jan-10-05 09:04 AM   #62 
  - Chavez is the kind of liberal we could use. Three cheers.  Vidar   Jan-09-05 01:16 PM   #29 
  - Before too many people fall for the disinformation about "land grabbing"  Judi Lynn   Jan-09-05 02:09 PM   #36 
  - thanks  AlbizuX   Jan-09-05 02:45 PM   #41 
  - Gasp!! Can such a thing be allowed to happen?  Jose Diablo   Jan-09-05 03:32 PM   #46 
  - From one who lived in Venezuela...  RedCloud   Jan-10-05 03:44 PM   #72 
  - So this is SOP in Venezuela and has been for a long long time  Robbien   Jan-10-05 03:53 PM   #75 
     - Victor Jara and Woody Guthrie chime in!  RedCloud   Jan-10-05 04:08 PM   #78 
  - There is no such thing as a legitimate land title.  Mike Niendorff   Jan-10-05 03:46 PM   #73 
  - So, you are saying two wrongs make a right? n/t  Bono71   Jan-10-05 04:40 PM   #82 
     - who said there are two wrongs here?  Mike Niendorff   Jan-10-05 05:01 PM   #84 
        - Isn't this what happened in Zimbabwe?  radric   Jan-11-05 11:25 AM   #94 
           - Actually, "all reports" are having a hard time arguing that it  AP   Jan-12-05 09:19 AM   #103 
  - I don't see how this is a good thing.  Bleachers7   Jan-10-05 04:07 PM   #77 
  - Have you read RedCloud's post #72 ?  Robbien   Jan-10-05 04:14 PM   #79 
  - translation of Ali Primera (Vzla Protest singer)  RedCloud   Jan-10-05 04:31 PM   #81 
  - Thanks for posting Ali Primera and the translation.  Judi Lynn   Jan-10-05 06:19 PM   #90 
  - The right of a man to feed himself is the most fundmental of rights  Nevernose   Jan-10-05 04:48 PM   #83 
  - Anybody want to bet what will happen to the farm?  DoNotRefill   Jan-10-05 05:41 PM   #89 
  - More than likely that will happen..  radric   Jan-12-05 10:09 AM   #104 
  - hmm  mojojojo27   Jan-11-05 11:23 AM   #93 
  - Appalling stats from bemildred's thread. Grotesque.  Judi Lynn   Jan-11-05 03:01 PM   #98 
  - No need to weep for the Vesteys.  Matilda   Jan-12-05 01:32 AM   #101 
  - pretty sure the same policy has been in place in Costa Rica for years  blindpig   Jan-12-05 11:52 AM   #118 
 

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