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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 10:05 PM
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109. A little background
If I am not mistaken, the law under which the man is being prosecuted was passed by the California State Legislature after an incident similar to this one about 30 years ago. Abortion was yet to become a hotbutton item at that time.

The intent of the legislature was not to grant some sort of personhood to a fetus in the sense that foes of women's rights would impose. The law needn't be interpreted that way.

If anybody has the right to confer personhood on a fetus, it is the mother. She does so by choosing to carry the pregnancy to term. Since the woman in this case was midterm and still had not had an abortion, I will not consider it too hazardous to assume she intended to have the child.

Interpreted that way, this is a perfectly good law. Personally, I would make no changes in it.

Prosecute the bum.
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  -Man charged with murder after pregnant woman's fetus dies theorist  Dec-26-04 08:23 PM   #0 
  - Preemies can be born at 18 weeks, what's that, 4 and a half months?  tjdee   Dec-26-04 08:24 PM   #1 
  - I think the earliest anyone's been born and survived was in  Egalitariat   Dec-26-04 08:27 PM   #2 
  - If she had had an abortion at this point, would it not be murder?  tjdee   Dec-26-04 08:34 PM   #3 
  - Exactly...  aikido15   Dec-26-04 08:40 PM   #6 
  - Scott Peterson did not get the shaft. Lacy got the shaft****  Egalitariat   Dec-26-04 08:42 PM   #8 
  - "Scott Peterson got the shaft"?  PartyPooper   Dec-26-04 08:44 PM   #10 
  - Are you high?  hollywood926   Dec-26-04 08:53 PM   #13 
  - You make a good point  democraticrevolution   Dec-26-04 09:07 PM   #19 
  - Not high, read post no. 11  aikido15   Dec-26-04 09:09 PM   #21 
  - Kick!  Megahurtz   Dec-27-04 05:44 PM   #104 
  - If a woman is pregnant and intends to have her child we have to  demigoddess   Dec-26-04 09:33 PM   #34 
     - You've constructed a fine house of cards  Sandpiper   Dec-26-04 11:39 PM   #55 
     - Isn't this why we have aggravated assault laws?  bezdomny   Dec-26-04 11:59 PM   #60 
     - It should not be under any type of murder statute...  LiberalFighter   Dec-27-04 04:22 PM   #102 
  - Law Student's view of the Peterson case  Sandpiper   Dec-26-04 09:10 PM   #22 
  - I think your right look for it to be over turned n/t  caligirl   Dec-26-04 09:38 PM   #37 
  - Thank heaven you were not on the jury...  Angelique   Dec-26-04 10:56 PM   #46 
  - Circumstantial evidence isn't the same as proof.  Gardeaux08   Dec-26-04 11:15 PM   #49 
  - Narrow view indeed  Sandpiper   Dec-26-04 11:21 PM   #50 
     - Not TOO taken with yourself, are you?  Eloriel   Dec-27-04 08:41 AM   #91 
  - Cable News decided the case.  Old and In the Way   Dec-26-04 11:59 PM   #59 
  - Public opinion convicted Scott Peterson. Guilty or innocent  0007   Dec-27-04 08:27 AM   #90 
  - So, using this reasoning  traco   Dec-28-04 12:51 AM   #110 
     - It's more than that  Sandpiper   Dec-28-04 05:26 AM   #112 
  - Scott Peterson most certainly  liberalhistorian   Dec-26-04 10:47 PM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-27-04 12:42 AM   #72 
     - And I've hit alert on this as well.  Bouncy Ball   Dec-27-04 12:44 AM   #73 
     - I did as soon as I saw it.  theorist   Dec-27-04 12:47 AM   #76 
        - If you do an advanced search on this hideous thing  Bouncy Ball   Dec-27-04 12:49 AM   #77 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-27-04 01:10 AM   #80 
     - At least read the rules before you start inciting "eRiots".  theorist   Dec-27-04 12:45 AM   #75 
  - Simple answer...  Kimber Scott   Dec-26-04 08:41 PM   #7 
  - The reasoning sounds kinda convoluted for me.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-26-04 08:48 PM   #12 
  - YES IT WOULD  hollywood926   Dec-26-04 08:57 PM   #15 
  - Why not?  Kimber Scott   Dec-26-04 08:59 PM   #16 
     - I'm not saying it's not a crime, or that it's not a heinous act.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-26-04 09:01 PM   #17 
        - Maybe, to you it's not that important. Maybe, to the pregnant woman  Kimber Scott   Dec-26-04 09:06 PM   #18 
           - Nice mix of straw men and PAs. Please DO keep posting like that.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-26-04 09:10 PM   #23 
              - How's that?  Kimber Scott   Dec-26-04 09:16 PM   #24 
                 - I said it was a heinous crime. Like rape or torture.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-26-04 09:23 PM   #28 
                    - I don't get into tricky shit. I don't even know what a straw man or PA is  Kimber Scott   Dec-26-04 09:43 PM   #38 
                       - Here you are:  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-26-04 10:07 PM   #42 
                       - You should learn then.  Sterling   Dec-27-04 09:41 PM   #108 
  - I think it should be seen as a denial of the pregnant woman's civil rights  TahitiNut   Dec-26-04 08:57 PM   #14 
     - Oh, some brains. What a relief. (nt)  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-26-04 09:19 PM   #25 
     - I'd call it a "keen sense of the obvious."  TahitiNut   Dec-26-04 09:32 PM   #33 
        - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  kitkatrose   Dec-27-04 09:52 AM   #96 
     - I absolutely agree. And denial of that woman's civil rights  0007   Dec-26-04 09:53 PM   #40 
        - Does the IRS consider a fetus a dependent for tax purposes?  Erika   Dec-26-04 11:30 PM   #52 
           - Good point about the IRS. It is funny how the right winger  0007   Dec-27-04 08:11 AM   #88 
  - BUT She didn't  forgethell   Dec-27-04 03:12 PM   #101 
  - I'm glad they're going to prosecute this dude  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-26-04 08:43 PM   #9 
  - Yes it is political...  aikido15   Dec-26-04 08:46 PM   #11 
  - they hardly ever charge attempted murder these days. Assault is all they  demigoddess   Dec-26-04 09:38 PM   #35 
  - This Is Scary  iamjoy   Dec-26-04 09:54 PM   #41 
  - I agree with you  melnjones   Dec-26-04 10:19 PM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-27-04 01:30 AM   #83 
  - OH MY GAWD  MissBrooks   Dec-26-04 08:35 PM   #4 
  - AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!  DS1   Dec-29-04 07:34 AM   #115 
  - Scott Peterson Syndrome.  PartyPooper   Dec-26-04 08:36 PM   #5 
  - Here is a verse from the Bible, that seems to cover the case  daleo   Dec-26-04 09:08 PM   #20 
  - Calling it criminal denial of a woman's Civil RIghts would serve all.  TahitiNut   Dec-26-04 09:19 PM   #26 
  - This is the reason I wanted to post this.  theorist   Dec-26-04 09:20 PM   #27 
  - There are good reasons why we separate church and state  proudbluestater   Dec-26-04 09:24 PM   #29 
  - I wasn't actually advocating the Biblical position  daleo   Dec-27-04 01:00 AM   #78 
  - DUers ..... last time I checked Cal had found a clever way ...  Maat   Dec-26-04 09:26 PM   #30 
  - I agree, the Bible describes a civil suit, not murder. n/t  jody   Dec-27-04 09:11 AM   #93 
  - Yet my full-term stillborn son never existed  CornField   Dec-26-04 09:28 PM   #31 
  - That's wrong  knitter4democracy   Dec-27-04 08:16 AM   #89 
  - bush* should allow a tax-deduction for a child the family  diamond14   Dec-27-04 01:28 PM   #99 
  - How do you bury him without a death certificate?  Eloriel   Dec-27-04 08:58 AM   #92 
     - We were never asked for one  CornField   Dec-27-04 10:10 AM   #97 
        - Your son  Johnny Noshoes   Dec-27-04 06:57 PM   #105 
  - the solution to cases like these are easy. If the women doesn't choose...  sonicx   Dec-26-04 09:31 PM   #32 
  - "Assault/murder resulting in the termination of a PREGNANCY"  rocknation   Dec-27-04 11:57 AM   #98 
  - Whatever you call it, they should lock this guy up and throw away the key  dolstein   Dec-26-04 09:38 PM   #36 
  - A lot of men and women may change their position to pro-choice due to this  bleedingheart   Dec-26-04 09:45 PM   #39 
  - Bleedingheart, Your Thoughts Are Also What Came To My Mind Too  cryingshame   Dec-29-04 08:52 AM   #117 
  - my mom lost a pregnancy when slightly hit from behind at a red light....  diamond14   Dec-26-04 10:39 PM   #44 
  - Was this a accident, seemed intentional to me. This is apples and oranges  genieroze   Dec-26-04 11:10 PM   #48 
     - did the boyfriend INTENTIALLY try to kill the fetus...or was he just  diamond14   Dec-26-04 11:43 PM   #56 
        - I have never been choked or kicked in the stomach. Just the thought of  genieroze   Dec-27-04 12:24 AM   #67 
        - yes, the pregnant woman could have been trying to "Lorraine Bobbit" him  diamond14   Dec-27-04 01:47 AM   #86 
        - Careful with words here  Maria Celeste   Dec-27-04 12:26 AM   #69 
           - Welcome to DU, Maria, and thank you for your thoughts.  theorist   Dec-27-04 12:34 AM   #71 
           - Welcome to DU, Marie Celeste...good first post...logical, well thought  diamond14   Dec-27-04 01:17 AM   #81 
           - As a chemist, I would like to also be thought of as a scientist.  theorist   Dec-27-04 01:24 AM   #82 
              - ahhhh....perhaps you are a "physical chemist"? with all those  diamond14   Dec-27-04 02:05 AM   #87 
           - I didn't follow it closely either, but  Eloriel   Dec-27-04 09:12 AM   #94 
  - Hum, the rest said  genieroze   Dec-26-04 11:04 PM   #47 
  - Maybe the better question is  Gardeaux08   Dec-26-04 11:23 PM   #51 
  - Exactly. eom  genieroze   Dec-26-04 11:33 PM   #53 
  - You already know the answer to that one :(  Solly Mack   Dec-26-04 11:38 PM   #54 
  - My question exactly  sandnsea   Dec-26-04 11:53 PM   #58 
     - fetal fantacism  annabanana   Dec-29-04 08:10 AM   #116 
  - nice of the cops to so publicly pre-judge the medical report.....  diamond14   Dec-27-04 12:01 AM   #62 
     - Now that I agree with, the police should wait for the coroner before  genieroze   Dec-27-04 12:14 AM   #64 
        - those fundie bushites will NOT feel stupid...they will feel that GOD  diamond14   Dec-27-04 12:23 AM   #66 
           - Wow and I thought I hated the Reich Wing, lol eom  genieroze   Dec-27-04 12:45 AM   #74 
              - I don't hate anyone, but I feel that bush* and his minions are VERY  diamond14   Dec-27-04 02:00 PM   #100 
  - Assault on a pregnant woman  sandnsea   Dec-26-04 11:50 PM   #57 
  - No, the Republicans only think of women as recepticles  Erika   Dec-27-04 12:20 AM   #65 
  - That's my first gripe, the fetus shouldn't come into play  genieroze   Dec-27-04 12:26 AM   #68 
  - Since there is a military provision in this law...  countryjake   Dec-27-04 12:01 AM   #61 
  - just ARGUE with a pregnant women, and if she miscarried later MURDER  diamond14   Dec-27-04 12:14 AM   #63 
  - Yep. Let's find out who to really prosecute in the deaths of fetuses  Erika   Dec-27-04 12:32 AM   #70 
  - We must do something about these "Fetus Worship" laws  damkira   Dec-27-04 01:02 AM   #79 
  - I'm glad the fucker was arrested and charged...  Jack_DeLeon   Dec-27-04 01:41 AM   #84 
  - Yes, Poor health, inner city pollution, etc.  Erika   Dec-27-04 01:46 AM   #85 
  - It won't be long  Malva Zebrina   Dec-27-04 09:45 AM   #95 
  - In California?  Megahurtz   Dec-27-04 05:32 PM   #103 
  - disagree with charges  rebecca_herman   Dec-27-04 07:50 PM   #106 
  - And so the backdoor assault on abortion rights continues. Wonderful.  nodehopper   Dec-27-04 08:14 PM   #107 
  - A little background  Jack Rabbit   Dec-27-04 10:05 PM   #109 
  - actually  rebecca_herman   Dec-28-04 02:57 AM   #111 
     - Thank you for jarring my memory about that case  Jack Rabbit   Dec-28-04 07:49 AM   #114 
  - will they seek the death penalty?  mutius   Dec-28-04 06:36 AM   #113 

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